Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s carbon nanotubes

2012-06-19 Thread David Roberson

There are a several excellent reasons for a flat design.  It can be up scaled 
easily by laying parallel units side by side to obtain larger power levels.  
Also, heat can be more easily extracted from a larger surface area such as a 
rectangle when compared to a cylinder.  We do not know exactly how Rossi is 
reinforcing the flat structures for pressure as he may be doing it with the 
outer shell.  And, I would think it is far easier to build a flat planar 
structure into a package especially when more than one is used.

I suspect that the cost of the heavier material required to offset the strength 
lost due to flat versus cylinder shape is not important.  At the size of his 
devices this material difference will be far out weighted by the energy savings.

Do consider that all of the examples that you pointed out are usually seen in a 
stand alone environment where there is no need for an outer supporting 
structure which can easily compensate.

Dave 



-Original Message-
From: Jojo Jaro 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 1:41 am
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s carbon nanotubes


Axil, IMHO, the following is my analysis:


 
1.  I think we can be certain that the major redesign had something to do with 
being able to deliver sparks more efficiently.  A pressure vessel made of 2 
parallel plates makes abosolutely no sense for a pressure vessel from a 
mechanical or structural point of view.  A vessel that is wide and broad and 
thin makes a poor pressure vessel because it is more difficult to prevent leaks 
and to fortify it properly for pressure operation.  Hence the resulting vessel 
would have to be sturdier than necessary making it more expensive.  Hence, 
makes no sense from a structural point of view.  There's a reason why almost 
pressure vessels we use in the industry are cylindrical in shape, ie. propane 
tanks, gas tanks, oxygen tanks, and all sorts of pressure tanks.  Roosi's 
redesign to a FatCat was prompted by something else.  To me, it was the need to 
deliver sparks.  I can't think of anything else.
 






[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s carbon nanotubes

2012-06-18 Thread Jojo Jaro
Axil, IMHO, the following is my analysis:

1.  I think we can be certain that the major redesign had something to do with 
being able to deliver sparks more efficiently.  A pressure vessel made of 2 
parallel plates makes abosolutely no sense for a pressure vessel from a 
mechanical or structural point of view.  A vessel that is wide and broad and 
thin makes a poor pressure vessel because it is more difficult to prevent leaks 
and to fortify it properly for pressure operation.  Hence the resulting vessel 
would have to be sturdier than necessary making it more expensive.  Hence, 
makes no sense from a structural point of view.  There's a reason why almost 
pressure vessels we use in the industry are cylindrical in shape, ie. propane 
tanks, gas tanks, oxygen tanks, and all sorts of pressure tanks.  Roosi's 
redesign to a FatCat was prompted by something else.  To me, it was the need to 
deliver sparks.  I can't think of anything else.

2.  The redesign to a FatCat must have obliviated the need for an RF.  Why?  
for the simple reason that the FatCat is now made of steel, as opposed to the 
original ECat being made of copper.  We all know RF energy will NOT penetrate a 
vessel made of steel.  Hence, there must be no RF involved in the FatCat. I see 
no possible way the RF coil could be inside the reactor.  The operating temps 
inside would quickly disintegrate the insulating cover of any magnet wire wound 
into a coil to deliver sufficient RF energy.  An RF antenna that is not shaped 
into a coil is not likely to be able to deliver much RF energy of consequence.

3.  I do not believe any RF applied could break up the CNTs.  I can not see a 
situation where enough RF energy with enough frequency could be delivered 
against the CNTs to break it up.  The tensile and Flexural stength of CNTs is 
beyond what an RF antenna of whatever kind can deliver.  At the move we can 
deliver a few watts of RF, (notwithstanding #2) so there does not appear to be 
enough power to break CNTs apart.





Here's my understanding of what really goes on inside the FatCat (my 
understanding comes mostly from what you have posted.)

1.  I believe the FatCat is a combination CVD reactor and Arc Discharge reactor 
in one.  The process starts with a reactor that is loaded with a few grams of 
Nickel powder (as seed material for CNT growth.)  and carbon/graphite powder; 
all at nanometer sizes.  Rossi does not vaccuum his reactor so there would be 
oxygen in there. 

2.  H2 is loaded at the required pressure.

3.  The reactor is heated to the CVD operating temp of around 600C (Remember, 
this is now a steel pressure vessel, It does not have the original ECat's temp 
limitation.  It can be operated at much higher temps.)

4.  As the carbon is heated, it would react with the oxygen inside and form CO. 
 Hence all the oxygen would be taken up into CO and would not pose an explosion 
hazard when sparks are introduced.  The rest of the carbon sublimates and 
starts to form CNTs on the Nickel seed material.  At this point, the CNTs are 
simply sitting quietly on the bottom of the reactor.

5.  After a while, when suficient CNTs have formed, Rossi removes the heating 
and starts applying sparks.  Since the reactor plate would be perfectly 
parallel, the sparks would be distributed all across the entire area not just 
in one place.  Visualize lightning all over the landscape.  This lightning 
would stir up the CNTs at the bottom and spread them out and suspend them in 
the H2 envelope.   Subsequent sparks would charge them with enormous charge.  
This would provide the necessary charge screening for any H+ ions that may come 
near these CNTs.  With sufficient charge screening, the H+ ions fuses and 
viola, Fusion.  The liberated heat can now be harvested.  Heat that is not 
harvested would serve to further ionize any other H2 molecule and further 
create CNTs on the remaining nickel seed material.  Because the CNT NAE is now 
dynamically created, Rossi now does not have quiescience problems like he did 
initially when his NAE was based on cracks on the Nickel tubules.

6.  This mechanism allows Rossi to control the reaction rate by applying 
varying rates of sparks.  Ongoing creation of CNTs can be controlled by 
modulating the reactor temps around 600C.   (I could not figure out why the 
operating temps was 600C, why not 700C or 900C, Until I realized that the 
reactor was a CVD reactor.)



I've got to go.  I'll elaborate on my reasons in subsequent posts.



Jojo


  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:09 AM
  Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Rossi’s carbon nanotubes


  There was a BIG change in Rossi’s design when he when from 100 grams of 
powder to 1 gram. I don’t remember if the ash he submitted for assay was 
produced by a reactor from the 100 grams design or the 1 gram design.

  Rossi now says that his reactor is operating in a stable mode. 40 days of 
stable op