RE: [Vo]:Red Skeletons
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Related... Sinkholes below Lake Huron hold strange ecosystem: researchers http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/02/25/sinkholes.html Harry, This could be a different situation for the appearance of abundant but extreme life. Cyanobacteria obtain their energy through photosynthesis and would not need another mechanism for energy, (i.e. the fractional ground state) which is so extreme (in exotherm) in the sense that it probably kills off most of its host for the benefit of the next generation (the offspring of the host). That kind of sacrificial parenting or cooperative regeneration - is not at all unusual in evolution, in itself. But if any hydrino mechanism were to evolve this way - it would not be very competitive with other organisms that got their energy from solar, instead of EUV photons. It encourages parasitism. Any such hydrino mechanism, it seems, would likely need to be for the benefit of the cellular life in an extreme niche, where there is nothing else to compete against. After thinking about Robin's objection to this hypotheses (wrt the large and facile natural IP gap which would be there naturally in Fe+++ (58.8 eV vs. 54.4 eV)- a revised scenario emerges. It would be a mechanisms for the polar regions which have a lot of available iron, in the form of colloids of a solid electrolyte such as magnetite (hematite). Cellular life would attach to the colloids and use any UV radiation emerging from that particle as the energy for metabolism and reproduction. It could be that the initial cell which takes in a high energy photon immediately dies, and others feed off of it. Here are more specifics- These extreme regions are at the magnetic poles, which are in total darkness for many month. Therefore, let's consider the implications resources which are still available in total darkness at the poles - still coming from of the solar coronoa ... and which according to Mills' theory is where the bulk of solar energy is actually created via hydrino shrinkage. About half the emitted energy happens through fusion in the solar core, and this explains the solar neutrino problem. (only about half the expected neutrinos from solar fusion can be detected). The other half comes from fractional ground states, and some of the hydrinos are expelled into the solar wind. At any rate, the solar wind - which believe it or not - has never been collected for analysis outside our stratosphere - to prove or disprove this hypothesis, would contain a percentage of singly ionized hydrino hydride (of predominantly first stage shrinkage) as it approaches the magnetosphere of earth. This would be a shrunken hydrogen species with an extreme magnetic moment, among other features, and would be attracted to magnetite if it ever reached the surface. Since the hydrino hydride (Hy-) is charged, most of it could ONLY enter into our atmosphere, from the magnetosphere of earth - *at the polar regions*, that is: by following field lines. Actually most of it bypasses earth - but most of it that is captured, would happen predominantly at the poles. On adsorption into colloidal hematite or magnetite, once it reaches the ice, we might expect that a percentage of the species would be both neutralized and accelerated to the necessary level to develop redundancy within the iron's naturally present ions. IOW the energy hole which is presented at 54.8 eV is filled by nascent hydrogen in a slingshot effect, having gained ..4 eV in effective velocity from the capture of its extra electron. That extra energy is given off with the EUV photon, so you get the higher energy emission. Yes, this is a preliminary stab at shoehorning a methodology - and skeptics will say that is a strained rationalization without specific evidence, and admittedly highly conjectural - but which does provide a possible mechanism for radiant energy in cold dark environments, exactly like the Blood Falls location in Antarctica. The advantage of having such a hypothesis in place, is that it provides specific ways to prove or disprove in a laboratory setting. I can think of several experiments already. As of now, and on contrast - the Antarctic researchers appear to have been grasping at straws (icicles) with what I perceive to be comparatively weaker, but more mainstream rationalization That is: IF (big if) the hydrino is real (i.e. conclusively proved). Mills thinks that his proof is conclusive, but others do not. As a personal matter, I believe it is absolutely true on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays but am not so sure on the other days ;-). Let's hope he gives the kibitzers a real demo sooner rather than later. Given that his IP (patent portfolio) is ageing rapidly, as we speak, he has every incentive to get a piece of the DoE's multi-billion buck stimulus package. It is a golden opportunity, with a window which will not last long. Already a single solar plant near here has gotten hundreds of millions
Re: [Vo]:Red Skeletons
Related... Sinkholes below Lake Huron hold strange ecosystem: researchers http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/02/25/sinkholes.html Harry - Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:42 pm Subject: [Vo]:Red Skeletons Thursday . being Free Association day.. Free association is a technique used by trick cyclist. make that psychoanalysts, and was first developed by Sigmund Freud, according to Wiki-the-wise. Remember . you cannot practice psycho-anal-ysis without being slightly anal .. ;-) In free association psychoanalysis, certain special patients, mildly deranged or not. like Freddy are invited to relate whatever comes into their meandering minds during the session; and most notably not to censor their thoughts. This technique is intended to help the patient learn more about what he or she thinks and feels in an atmosphere of non-judgmental curiosityand acceptance. Anyway, with that in mind, here is a most interesting bloody image, but with a slightly unprincipled ending. http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/04/ancient-frozen- ecosystem-produce s-blood-red-ice-flows.ars Freddy thinks that the authors of this study could have overlooked the unconventional principle known as the fractional ground state. Our principles are the springs of our actions. Our actions, the springs of our happiness or misery. Too much care, therefore, cannot be taken in forming our principles. - Red Skelton . which unconventional bloody principle - the fractional ground statecould be supplying at least some of the energy for metabolism in the bacteria. Most of the cellular life in the Red Falls are derived from Proteobacteria, the closest relatives of which metabolize sulfur and iron. If the hydrino is real, then it is very possible that some little- knownlifeform on Earth, or possibly in more extreme conditions elsewhere in the solar system - has evolved to exploit it - sez Jones the vortician The slightly unprincipled Antarctic researchers, like all good workerants, have echoed the mainstream neglect (can a lack of something be echoed?). Here is what they say : Unlike the sulfur-powered communitiespresent at undersea vents, there's little indication of a hydrogen sulfide metabolism present in the ice at Blood Falls. Instead, it appears that energy is obtained when sulfur is cycled through different oxidation states by reacting it with iron, producing the Fe(II) seen in the brine. The oxidized sulfur is then used to react with carbon compounds, powering the metabolism. All of that is pretty low-energy-the authors suggest that the doubling time for a bacterium in this environment would be roughly 300 days-and requires an external source of Fe(III) to power the system. The authors posit that the glacier itself might provide the source by extractingnew iron as it scrapes across the underlying rocks. End of quote. Of course few scientists give the hydrino theory much credence, and it is no surprise that it goes unmentioned once again - yet someone, perhaps a special patient or special agent with special patience, deranged or not, needs to mention that possibility; and since Mills is unavailable (onceagain), let's invite Freddy F.over to do the dishonors.. FF: Consider first, that the color seen in the image above is most likelyfrom hematite and other iron oxides. Iron(II,III) oxide (aka magnetite) is the chemical compound with formulaFe3O4. It contains both Fe2+ and Fe3+ ions and is sometimes formulated as FeO.Fe2O3. In some situations, it can acts like a solid electrolyte, since it always has these IP holes. Fe3+ as it turns, out is a strong Mills' hydrino catalyst with an energyhole of 54.8 eV. and in contrast to the official version of events in the Red Falls, in the Millsean viewpoint there is no need for an external source of Fe(III) to power the system nor anything else. Since that external source is the very weak link of their opposing viewpoint (no mass transport in ice?), and since the fractional ground state hypothesis doesn't require it - then the possibility is at least worth mentioning. It would be nice if Dr Mills could stage a convincing demo, of course. However, there are ways to test the hypothesis without him. Such as: Is there anomalous UV emission, even faint - from glaciers, even downshiftedinto the visible spectrum? Hmmm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/30684...@n05/3221228498/ Signed, Freddy F. Red-said: Well, I guess you might say that Freddie the Freeloader is a little bit of you, and a little bit of me, a little bit of all of us, you know. He's found out what love means. He knows the value of time. He knows that time is a glutton. We say we don't have time to do this or do that. There's plenty of time. The trick is to apply
[Vo]:Red Skeletons
Thursday . being Free Association day.. Free association is a technique used by trick cyclist. make that psychoanalysts, and was first developed by Sigmund Freud, according to Wiki-the-wise. Remember . you cannot practice psycho-anal-ysis without being slightly anal .. ;-) In free association psychoanalysis, certain special patients, mildly deranged or not. like Freddy are invited to relate whatever comes into their meandering minds during the session; and most notably not to censor their thoughts. This technique is intended to help the patient learn more about what he or she thinks and feels in an atmosphere of non-judgmental curiosity and acceptance. Anyway, with that in mind, here is a most interesting bloody image, but with a slightly unprincipled ending. http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/04/ancient-frozen-ecosystem-produce s-blood-red-ice-flows.ars Freddy thinks that the authors of this study could have overlooked the unconventional principle known as the fractional ground state. Our principles are the springs of our actions. Our actions, the springs of our happiness or misery. Too much care, therefore, cannot be taken in forming our principles. - Red Skelton . which unconventional bloody principle - the fractional ground state could be supplying at least some of the energy for metabolism in the bacteria. Most of the cellular life in the Red Falls are derived from Proteobacteria, the closest relatives of which metabolize sulfur and iron. If the hydrino is real, then it is very possible that some little-known lifeform on Earth, or possibly in more extreme conditions elsewhere in the solar system - has evolved to exploit it - sez Jones the vortician The slightly unprincipled Antarctic researchers, like all good worker ants, have echoed the mainstream neglect (can a lack of something be echoed?). Here is what they say : Unlike the sulfur-powered communities present at undersea vents, there's little indication of a hydrogen sulfide metabolism present in the ice at Blood Falls. Instead, it appears that energy is obtained when sulfur is cycled through different oxidation states by reacting it with iron, producing the Fe(II) seen in the brine. The oxidized sulfur is then used to react with carbon compounds, powering the metabolism. All of that is pretty low-energy-the authors suggest that the doubling time for a bacterium in this environment would be roughly 300 days-and requires an external source of Fe(III) to power the system. The authors posit that the glacier itself might provide the source by extracting new iron as it scrapes across the underlying rocks. End of quote. Of course few scientists give the hydrino theory much credence, and it is no surprise that it goes unmentioned once again - yet someone, perhaps a special patient or special agent with special patience, deranged or not, needs to mention that possibility; and since Mills is unavailable (once again), let's invite Freddy F.over to do the dishonors.. FF: Consider first, that the color seen in the image above is most likely from hematite and other iron oxides. Iron(II,III) oxide (aka magnetite) is the chemical compound with formula Fe3O4. It contains both Fe2+ and Fe3+ ions and is sometimes formulated as FeO.Fe2O3. In some situations, it can acts like a solid electrolyte, since it always has these IP holes. Fe3+ as it turns, out is a strong Mills' hydrino catalyst with an energy hole of 54.8 eV. and in contrast to the official version of events in the Red Falls, in the Millsean viewpoint there is no need for an external source of Fe(III) to power the system nor anything else. Since that external source is the very weak link of their opposing viewpoint (no mass transport in ice?), and since the fractional ground state hypothesis doesn't require it - then the possibility is at least worth mentioning. It would be nice if Dr Mills could stage a convincing demo, of course. However, there are ways to test the hypothesis without him. Such as: Is there anomalous UV emission, even faint - from glaciers, even downshifted into the visible spectrum? Hmmm. http://www.flickr.com/photos/30684...@n05/3221228498/ Signed, Freddy F. Red-said: Well, I guess you might say that Freddie the Freeloader is a little bit of you, and a little bit of me, a little bit of all of us, you know. He's found out what love means. He knows the value of time. He knows that time is a glutton. We say we don't have time to do this or do that. There's plenty of time. The trick is to apply it. The greatest disease in the world today is procrastination. Tempus frangit
Re: [Vo]:Red Skeletons
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:42:54 -0700: Hi, [snip] Fe3+ as it turns, out is a strong Mills' hydrino catalyst with an energy hole of 54.8 eV. [snip] Since the nearest energy hole value is 54.4 eV, there is a difference of 0.4 eV that needs to be made up by kinetic energy. That matches an average temperature of 30 K. Given that this is rather warm, only atoms right out in the Boltzmann tail will suffice, at room temperature, which in turn means that this is going to be rather rare, unless the little bugs are smart enough to provide an electrical assist with chemical energy. ( 0.4 eV shouldn't be too hard to find chemically). However I suspect that Hydrino energy might be rather disruptive to the chemistry of a living organism, much as is the case with UV radiation, so I think it would take a very special molecular setup indeed to harness this in any useful way. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
