Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > What’s to investigate. At present, I suspect Rossi’s American “factory” is > probably nothing more real than an address to an apartment residence. > I agree. Who cares whether Rossi has a factory, no factory, or a dozen factories? He is not manufacturing and selling machines -- that's for sure. Nothing else matters. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
No problem: Dick Smith published the entire back and forth with Defkalion, which was published on Ecat News. See the below blog for the entire story. Defkalion then posted a reply to their forum and that was it. Dick Smith just imagined an issue and backed away as quickly as possible. See http://ecatnews.com/?p=2068 Hope that helps. Ransom - Original Message - From: "Xavier Luminous" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Randy Wuller wrote: And that comment is actually very misleading. Dick Smith didn't even bother to try an negotiate anything with Defkalion. He backed away almost instantly when they in principal accepted his offer. The idea he could test without an NDA of some sort is ridiculous. Certainly Defkalion would have a right to protect some aspects of information disclosed to or discovered by testers and they never ever suggested results of the tests would be governed by an NDA. Dick Smith is not serious about this and has a preformed bias about what is happening. Could you (or anyone) post the actual terms that were rejected? Ransom - Original Message - From: "Xavier Luminous" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi 2012/3/16 Jouni Valkonen : Hyperions, then there is no reasons to doubt their words. (Too bad that Dick Smith cancelled the opportunity to test hyperions rigorously, if he had not, then we already would know whether Hyperions are real or phoney.) That's a little misleading. If I remember correctly, Dick Smith cancelled because Defkalion didn't agree to full disclosure of the test results (or something like that)
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
On 2012-03-15 15:10, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: See: http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi-loses-major-supporter-lets-reporter-into-his-home Regading Allan, he reported this by the way: http://pesn.com/2012/03/15/9602053_E-Cat_Defkalion_Weekly_March15/ (scroll below) Defkalion is still in the middle of doing 3rd party testing at its facility. The tests are going very well, with huge OU measured. Reports are expected mid April, after all the 7 groups have completed their testing. -- Sterling Allan, from first-hand sources. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Randy Wuller wrote: > And that comment is actually very misleading. Dick Smith didn't even bother > to try an negotiate anything with Defkalion. He backed away almost > instantly when they in principal accepted his offer. The idea he could test > without an NDA of some sort is ridiculous. Certainly Defkalion would have a > right to protect some aspects of information disclosed to or discovered by > testers and they never ever suggested results of the tests would be governed > by an NDA. Dick Smith is not serious about this and has a preformed bias > about what is happening. Could you (or anyone) post the actual terms that were rejected? > Ransom > - Original Message - From: "Xavier Luminous" > > To: > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:50 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi > > > >> 2012/3/16 Jouni Valkonen : >>> >>> Hyperions, then there is no reasons to doubt their words. (Too bad that >>> Dick >>> Smith cancelled the opportunity to test hyperions rigorously, if he had >>> not, >>> then we already would know whether Hyperions are real or phoney.) >> >> >> That's a little misleading. If I remember correctly, Dick Smith >> cancelled because Defkalion didn't agree to full disclosure of the >> test results (or something like that) >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
And that comment is actually very misleading. Dick Smith didn't even bother to try an negotiate anything with Defkalion. He backed away almost instantly when they in principal accepted his offer. The idea he could test without an NDA of some sort is ridiculous. Certainly Defkalion would have a right to protect some aspects of information disclosed to or discovered by testers and they never ever suggested results of the tests would be governed by an NDA. Dick Smith is not serious about this and has a preformed bias about what is happening. Ransom - Original Message - From: "Xavier Luminous" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi 2012/3/16 Jouni Valkonen : Hyperions, then there is no reasons to doubt their words. (Too bad that Dick Smith cancelled the opportunity to test hyperions rigorously, if he had not, then we already would know whether Hyperions are real or phoney.) That's a little misleading. If I remember correctly, Dick Smith cancelled because Defkalion didn't agree to full disclosure of the test results (or something like that)
RE: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
>From Jouni: ... > But isn't there any way to do investigation? US is full of private > detectives, so I wonder why no one has not hired a private detective > to dig everything what Rossi is doing, who are those investors and > where is the factory. What’s to investigate. At present, I suspect Rossi’s American “factory” is probably nothing more real than an address to an apartment residence. Granted, maybe Rossi really is hunting around for factory floor space. I could believe that. But who really knows… Only Rossi knows, and what mercurial Rossi really “knows”, I suspect, has a tendency to change from day to day, which seems to reflect what Rossi tends to say out on his blog from day to day. With that said, IMO, a certain amount of investigation into Rossi has probably already has been done, or IS being done. I hope not to the nefarious extent that you seem to be envisioning, however, where we start doing things like deliberately bug Rossi’s car – as if trying to keep track of an endangered species. Keep in mind the key words you used: "private detective". It seems to me that doing things like installing tracking devices or bugging rooms would require court orders. Installing tracking devices on a private citizen’s car or bugging his personal residence is a violation of a person’s right to privacy. Not that many individuals or organizations have the legal authority to request such activity. Is Rossi a suspected criminal? What evidence to we have to support that hypothesis? This also implies that if any private “tracking” was or IS being performed it is probably being done illegally – in a legally shady area. Also keep in mind such activities are PRIVATE investigations. What makes you think we who reside in the honorable peanut gallery would receive the fruits of private investigations? We didn't pay for such services. Potential individuals who did pay for such “private” services are under no obligation to share what they have uncovered with the public. My two cents. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
2012/3/16 Jouni Valkonen : > Hyperions, then there is no reasons to doubt their words. (Too bad that Dick > Smith cancelled the opportunity to test hyperions rigorously, if he had not, > then we already would know whether Hyperions are real or phoney.) That's a little misleading. If I remember correctly, Dick Smith cancelled because Defkalion didn't agree to full disclosure of the test results (or something like that)
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
> On 15 Mar 2012, at 16:48, Robert McKay wrote: >> >> It doesn't make any sense to switch to supporting DGT. The company was >> formed as part of the Rossi venture. Either they're both scams, or neither >> are. >> > My speculation here is, that Sterling does not think that Rossi is a scam. He just thinks that he cannot encourage people to invest into Rossi's company, because he is unreliable and he may not have commercially feasible technology at hands. Unlike Defkalion; if Defkalion has something, then Rossi does not have commercially ready device, because Defkalion cancelled the contract, because ecat does not work properly... so they claimed, and if Defkalion has working Hyperions, then there is no reasons to doubt their words. (Too bad that Dick Smith cancelled the opportunity to test hyperions rigorously, if he had not, then we already would know whether Hyperions are real or phoney.) Anyway, Rossi has already made the worst ever economic crime against humanity when he decided not to go public back in 2008. Delaying the emergence of commercial cold fusion technology on a basis of selfish reasons, has already cost to global economy hundred times more than Greece financial crisis. * * * But isn't there any way to do investigation? US is full of private detectives, so I wonder why no one has not hired a private detective to dig everything what Rossi is doing, who are those investors and where is the factory. It should not be difficult to install some sort of tracking device into Rossi's car and follow him to the 'secret' location of his 'factory'. I have not seen much of persons to do investigations and digging them-self (expect Krivit). No one has not even bothered to interview Rossi's employees and not even his wife, who is one of the key figures in Leonardo Corporation. ―Jouni
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
>From Robert, >> http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi-loses-major-supporter-lets-reporter-into-his-home ... > It doesn't make any sense to switch to supporting DGT. >The company was formed as part of the Rossi venture. > Either they're both scams, or neither are. As a cautionary tale, I am reminded of the continuing STEORN saga. Like most on this list, I had high hopes that the Irish company would finally unveil a prototype. However, the second time around, when that "demonstration" showed a device that, in my view, turned out to be utterly debatable as to whether it really showed convincing evidence of any kind of OU, the lesson it seemed to suggest to me is that even corporations that are presumed to be staffed with a number of smart engineers are not immune to occasionally stretching the truth to suit their own interpretation of what Mother Nature actually does. The burning question I have is whether the same scenario will unfold insofar as DGT and Rossi are concerned. Obviously, we hope not. More to the point, I hope not. Only time will tell. Stay tuned! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:10:20 -0500, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: See: http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi-loses-major-supporter-lets-reporter-into-his-home For some time now it would appear that Sterling has been showing more support of DGT's efforts as compared to Rossi's. Apparently, Sterling is miffed over the allegations that Rossi sez his eCats aren't nuclear devices. ...that and the fact that the location of the hinted-at Florida factory is an apartment address. Trying to put the best face forward the above article points out that: It should also be noted that by using a home office Rossi can write off part of his home in his taxes in the US. So it makes pretty good business sense. Shoot! I sure wish I cold work from home. My wife sure does. Rossi watching can be fun. You never know what's going to happen next. It doesn't make any sense to switch to supporting DGT. The company was formed as part of the Rossi venture. Either they're both scams, or neither are. Rob
Re: [Vo]:Sterling Allan drops his support of Rossi
I think Sterling was being ironic when he mentioned those things. He means that Rossi is a slippery eel and will not think twice to stab you in the back or lie, if that suits his needs. 2012/3/15 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > See: > > > http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/rossi-loses-major-supporter-lets-reporter-into-his-home > > For some time now it would appear that Sterling has been showing more > support of DGT's efforts as compared to Rossi's. Apparently, Sterling > is miffed over the allegations that Rossi sez his eCats aren't nuclear > devices. > > ...that and the fact that the location of the hinted-at Florida > factory is an apartment address. > > Trying to put the best face forward the above article points out that: > > > It should also be noted that by using a home office Rossi can write > > off part of his home in his taxes in the US. So it makes pretty good > > business sense. > > Shoot! I sure wish I cold work from home. My wife sure does. > > Rossi watching can be fun. You never know what's going to happen next. > > Regards > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
