RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
Junes Novelty plasma balls form strings although Ar plasma is usually more purple than blue. I think it must be due to his excitation method.It would be nice if he some how got excess out of the W but wouldn't that at least require some H in the gas? Ar is supposed to be a Mills catalyst but I didn't see much when I experimented with a Ar/H2 tube fired with RF. Nothing like the Sr which was dramatic. As usual we don't have enough information to draw any conclusions. Ron --On Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:52 PM -0800 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ron, Yes - Maybe the color is due to argon plasma - which is blue color - but still, it should not be stringy. The glow pattern seems to be coming from only the filament, and too linear to be normal plasma, no? And it is a very long filament. In another video he uses that same bulb, and the yellowish light is seen which is more typical. Presumably they are both filled with the same gas. If the color were indicative of the blackbody radiation of tungsten, the shift from yellow to blue represents about a 5000 degrees increase in temperature, nearly double. Here is a chart that displays the applicable temp - color variation in a dramatic way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PlanckianLocus.png Since the intensity of light is less than expected with grid AC going through the bulb, but the spectrum is shifted to blue, it seems like it must be some kind of surface near field effect where the argon plasma stays very near the metal as if captured. OK. Eureka! just had a flash of insight. Here is a close-up of a typical tungsten filament, showing the very tight secondary helix that is hard to see without magnification. http://twinkle_toes_engineering.home.comcast.net/~twinkle_toes_engineering/t ungsten_filament.jpg Perhaps argon plasma stays within this helix and gets heated by induction and captured in a linear string? This is kinda like the 'stellarator' of project Sherwood, but that is giving away my age. -Original Message- From: Ron Wormus Jones It looks like he ionized the Argon gas in the bulb. Is he using RF modulated with audio frequency sq waves? Still it should get hot. Ron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ...
[Vo]:The color of vortex?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ... attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
RE: Jones 'the color of vortex' The video dude says: I am building Kapanadze type coils and modulating them with audio waves with multiple harmonics So, he is modulating the coil with audio-frequencies (20Hz to 20Khz???), and the bulb is somewhere in the circuit containing the K-coil(s)??? Have I got that right? -mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:31 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:The color of vortex? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ... attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
Did you see a scope shot? I would expect it to be typical of DPSR spiking - but how that translates into the skewed light is not clear. If it is audible frequencies, there should be more noise. Maybe he means high audible (above 10 kHz). There is an interesting cross-connection with the Letts/Cravens effect, and that is why I posted it. As best I can tell, the coil secondary is apparently is wound and then counterwound, and the then the primary is counterwound on top of them, with a gap. Looks to be air core. This probably results in a combination of DPSR interference peaks (Dicke-Preparata Superradiance) but the subradiance is somehow suppressed. Interesting that the tungsten emission spectrum is so heavily skewed. It would not surprise me that that there is a strong UV component now, which was absent before. _ From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint RE: Jones 'the color of vortex' The video dude says: I am building Kapanadze type coils and modulating them with audio waves with multiple harmonics So, he is modulating the coil with audio-frequencies (20Hz to 20Khz???), and the bulb is somewhere in the circuit containing the K-coil(s)??? Have I got that right? -mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ... attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
No, didn't even see a scope! There must be multiple reflections making it look like there is some really unusual/complex filament structure inside the bulb... Did you watch his (user: magnetvortex) other vids? The one with the magnets in front of CRT (first color, then BW) is very interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Zyk9jswO0 The BW test certainly appears to indicate a vortexial circulation causing CRT's electrons to twist first clockwise then CCW depending on which mag-pole is next to the CRT. -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex? Did you see a scope shot? I would expect it to be typical of DPSR spiking - but how that translates into the skewed light is not clear. If it is audible frequencies, there should be more noise. Maybe he means high audible (above 10 kHz). There is an interesting cross-connection with the Letts/Cravens effect, and that is why I posted it. As best I can tell, the coil secondary is apparently wound and then counterwound, and then the primary is counterwound on top of them, with a gap. Looks to be air core. This probably results in a combination of DPSR interference peaks (Dicke-Preparata Superradiance) but the subradiance is somehow suppressed. Interesting that the tungsten emission spectrum is so heavily skewed. It would not surprise me that there is a strong UV component now, which was absent before. _ From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint RE: Jones 'the color of vortex' The video dude says: I am building Kapanadze type coils and modulating them with audio waves with multiple harmonics So, he is modulating the coil with audio-frequencies (20Hz to 20Khz???), and the bulb is somewhere in the circuit containing the K-coil(s)??? Have I got that right? -mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ... attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
Check out his youtube channel, http://www.youtube.com/user/magnetvortex and some of the comments on the lower-RH side, including link to this pdf. http://www.free-energy-info.com/VladimirUtkin.pdf -mark _ From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex? No, didn't even see a scope! There must be multiple reflections making it look like there is some really unusual/complex filament structure inside the bulb... Did you watch his (user: magnetvortex) other vids? The one with the magnets in front of CRT (first color, then BW) is very interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Zyk9jswO0 The BW test certainly appears to indicate a vortexial circulation causing CRT's electrons to twist first clockwise then CCW depending on which mag-pole is next to the CRT. -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex? Did you see a scope shot? I would expect it to be typical of DPSR spiking - but how that translates into the skewed light is not clear. If it is audible frequencies, there should be more noise. Maybe he means high audible (above 10 kHz). There is an interesting cross-connection with the Letts/Cravens effect, and that is why I posted it. As best I can tell, the coil secondary is apparently wound and then counterwound, and then the primary is counterwound on top of them, with a gap. Looks to be air core. This probably results in a combination of DPSR interference peaks (Dicke-Preparata Superradiance) but the subradiance is somehow suppressed. Interesting that the tungsten emission spectrum is so heavily skewed. It would not surprise me that there is a strong UV component now, which was absent before. _ From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint RE: Jones 'the color of vortex' The video dude says: I am building Kapanadze type coils and modulating them with audio waves with multiple harmonics So, he is modulating the coil with audio-frequencies (20Hz to 20Khz???), and the bulb is somewhere in the circuit containing the K-coil(s)??? Have I got that right? -mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ... attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
Jones It looks like he ionized the Argon gas in the bulb. Is he using RF modulated with audio frequency sq waves? Still it should get hot. Ron --On Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:30 AM -0800 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ...
RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
Ron, Yes - Maybe the color is due to argon plasma - which is blue color - but still, it should not be stringy. The glow pattern seems to be coming from only the filament, and too linear to be normal plasma, no? And it is a very long filament. In another video he uses that same bulb, and the yellowish light is seen which is more typical. Presumably they are both filled with the same gas. If the color were indicative of the blackbody radiation of tungsten, the shift from yellow to blue represents about a 5000 degrees increase in temperature, nearly double. Here is a chart that displays the applicable temp - color variation in a dramatic way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PlanckianLocus.png Since the intensity of light is less than expected with grid AC going through the bulb, but the spectrum is shifted to blue, it seems like it must be some kind of surface near field effect where the argon plasma stays very near the metal as if captured. OK. Eureka! just had a flash of insight. Here is a close-up of a typical tungsten filament, showing the very tight secondary helix that is hard to see without magnification. http://twinkle_toes_engineering.home.comcast.net/~twinkle_toes_engineering/t ungsten_filament.jpg Perhaps argon plasma stays within this helix and gets heated by induction and captured in a linear string? This is kinda like the 'stellarator' of project Sherwood, but that is giving away my age. -Original Message- From: Ron Wormus Jones It looks like he ionized the Argon gas in the bulb. Is he using RF modulated with audio frequency sq waves? Still it should get hot. Ron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ... attachment: winmail.dat
