Re: [Vo]:The world's tallest building will be built in 90 days starting in January

2012-11-22 Thread Jouni Valkonen

On Nov 22, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> The building is reportedly stronger, and more earthquake proof than 
> conventional buildings would be, and despite that it takes less material to 
> make.
> 

I would say that it is more resilient _because_ it takes less material to make. 
Lightweight steel frame is flexible and thus it can absorb the Earth quake 
energy. It is similar to that that electric cars are far simpler than internal 
combustion engine cars, therefore Tesla Model S is the safest production car 
and its performance and cornering ability are superior. Less is more as it is 
said.

For vertical farms this is indeed very good technology. And although I predict 
more anti-urbanisation due to reduced need for farmland, the transition period 
will take some decades, so meanwhile this technology can offer decent quality 
home for millions of people especially in China and India.

Anyway, right now vertical farming is one of the most important existing 
technologies that should be developed commercially more viable, because current 
agriculture is unsustainable. 98 % of anthropogenic land use is due to 
traditional agriculture. Vertical farming is similar in importance to solar 
electricity, electric cars and reusable launch vehicles.

For the vertical farming technology, the key improvement is of course the 
development of cheaper energy production methods and better LED's. Solar energy 
is the number one short term solution, because solar energy is the most 
abundant and cheapest free energy source. Solar electricity should be cheaper 
than fossil and hydroelectric power by early 2020's. 

―Jouni


Re: [Vo]:The world's tallest building will be built in 90 days starting in January

2012-11-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> This is the scary part.
>
>
> 2012/11/21 Jed Rothwell 
>
>>  The building is *reportedly* stronger
>>
>
Oh come now. There are many first-rate architects and engineers in China.
Before they spend a huge sum of money and build the world's tallest,
biggest building, you can be sure the government and others confirmed the
structural integrity.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:The world's tallest building will be built in 90 days starting in January

2012-11-21 Thread Terry Blanton
Totally 3D printed.



Re: [Vo]:The world's tallest building will be built in 90 days starting in January

2012-11-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is the scary part.


2012/11/21 Jed Rothwell 

>  The building is *reportedly* stronger
>



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Re: [Vo]:The world's tallest building will be built in 90 days starting in January

2012-11-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha  wrote:

I think this is not a breakthrough properly.  They are just not ashamed of
> making that big structures can be ugly and cheap as long as it works.


That is true. That is why I say this would be idea for food factories and
other large industrial complexes.


Besides, the building is probably already built, it just has to be
> assembled in place.


It is prefabricated. However, the overall cost and man-hours are much
smaller, and the construction process is safer than assembling components
on site. The building is reportedly stronger, and more earthquake proof
than conventional buildings would be, and despite that it takes less
material to make.

So, all in all, I would say it is an important breakthrough. It is what you
might call an incremental breakthrough, that seems obvious in retrospect,
yet which was more difficult to implement than it might seem. Other
breakthroughs like this include multi-modal containerized shipping, and the
Internet.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:The world's tallest building will be built in 90 days starting in January

2012-11-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think this is not a breakthrough properly.  They are just not ashamed of
making that big structures can be ugly and cheap as long as it works.
Besides, the building is probably already built, it just has to be
assembled in place.


2012/11/21 Jed Rothwell 

> Finally, a breakthrough in the construction of large buildings. See:
>
>
> http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/20/china-plans-to-build-the-worlds-largest-skyscraper-in-just-90-days/
>
> This will open the way to things like gigantic food factories (indoor
> farms).
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


[Vo]:The world's tallest building will be built in 90 days starting in January

2012-11-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Finally, a breakthrough in the construction of large buildings. See:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/20/china-plans-to-build-the-worlds-largest-skyscraper-in-just-90-days/

This will open the way to things like gigantic food factories (indoor
farms).

- Jed