[Vo]:Why not Kr 85 and Raney Nickel experiment?

2010-12-23 Thread Wm. Scott Smith

Why hasn't anybody tested Kr 81 or 85 in activated Raney Nickel powder to see 
if the decay rate changes.This is the simplest experiment; yet it is the 
most irrefutable as well as the most meaningful.  If there are temporal 
effects, then this would be the best starting point for figuring out everything 
else in-terms-of.
ScottWm. Scott Smith
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:06:24 -0500e
From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
To: sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.com
CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Starfleet Command] Nick Herbert  DS agree that there is a 
basic flaw in Haisch-Moddel Patent ZPF Vacuum Energy  Generator.



I agree  with  Bernard’s Thought experiment but Nick seems to be hung up on 
just the Casimir force being exploitable – Nick is overlooking the importance 
of the gas atoms themselves.  Garret Moddel published  a paper ,Assessment of 
proposed electromagnetic quantum vacuum energy extraction methods, 
http://ecee.colorado.edu/ 7Emoddel/QEL/Papers/Moddel_VacExtracV1.pdf Which 
casts doubt on 2 of the 3 classes of propo
sed methods to extract energy but finds the migration of monatomic gas inside 
aPermanent Casimir field, the 3rd class, a workable solution. I view these 
cavities as a tapestry of different energy densities confined together at the 
nano scale. You have Gas atoms inside these cavities constantly driven into 
random motion by HUP – these atoms translate to different quiescent energy 
densities established by the local Casimir geometry. The heat anomalies of 
Arata, Mills and other researchers indicate this is already enough to produce 
an effect even without the circulation proposed by Haisch and Moddel.The 
circulation was first proposed by William Lyne for an Atomic Furnace and 
probably would have helped if it ha
d been adopted by Moller  and Naudin in the MAHG device – Note H-M are 
proposing Casimir Lamb Pinch while Lyne and Moller an oscillation between bond 
states of gas atoms with change in energy density which are wholly different 
scales but both exploit the change in Casimir geometry relative to the random 
motion of gas atoms. I think that even if the Casimir Lamb Pinch fails to 
achieve the efficiency to exploit the process their prototype is still better 
conceived to exploit the method suggested by Lyne and Moller – The gas is 
circulated between Casimir and Non Casimir cells forcing a maximum 
translation/space, spreads out the reaction to avoid melt down and the need to 
regenerate like the Rayney Nickel of Rowan Confirmation fame – It also allows 
for better reactant controls to mix with inert gas, vary circulation speed and 
greater surface area to couple the heat away.  
 On Mar 3, 2010, at 4:15 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:   So, Nick where 
 specifically do you disagree with Bernie's remarkbelow? What sentences 
 he wrote do you think are wrong?  Best way tosettle this is with the 
 math. I am not sure if Nick's spin exampleis a good analogy with what 
 Haisch  Moddel propose. I thinkBernie's point is that the work needed 
 to overcome the ZPF energybarrier in the two different vacuum phases 
 inside and outside thecavity is for the center of mass of the atom. In 
 contrast theenergy gain they are talking about is in the internal 
 electron   
; orbital shift and that the two degrees of freedom are essentially
decoupled. In order for their scheme to work however, you and Davidmake a 
valid point that the alleged internal orbital zpf energyshift  gain must 
be larger than the work done on the CM degree offreedom it getting the 
atoms back out of the cavity in theircirculating heat exchange! r sort 
of design. Off hand, I see nofundamental reason for assuming that the CM 
work and the orbitalelectron shift must add to zero always. But I have 
not thought verydeeply about this.Begin forwarded message:  
 From: nick herbert qua...@...  Date: March 3, 2010 12:24:05 PM PST  
To: JACK SARFATTI sarfa...@...  Cc: Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars
sarfatti_physics_semin...@yahoogroups.com,
sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups. com
sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.com  Subject: [Starfleet Command] Re: 
Basic Flaw in Haisch-ModdellPatent ZPF Vacuum Energy Generator? 
; Reply-To: sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.comDavid S is spot 
on. A nice concise refutation of the Haisch-   Moddell ZPF Proposal.  
  One can build a simpler version of HM that has the same flaw.   
Send a properly spin oriented beam of excited atoms into a uniform
magnetic field such that the Zeeman splitting  puts the atoms in a slightly 
lower energy state. Mechanism is thesame. So is the flaw. Any energy you 
get from !  increased photon energy due to Zeeman splitting you will lose by 
   the work done extracting the atoms from the magnetic field.   Nick 
HerbertOn Mar 2, 2010, at 11:09 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote:   
Force ~ negative spatial gradient of the potential energy   On Mar 2, 
2010, at 10:52 

RE: [Vo]:Why not Kr 85 and Raney Nickel experiment?

2010-12-23 Thread Jones Beene
From: Wm. Scott Smith 

 

*  Why hasn't anybody tested Kr 81 or 85 in activated Raney Nickel powder to
see if the decay rate changes

 

Hmm . let me count a few of the reasons

 

1)Lack of funding and proper facilities

2)Even if you have a fume hood and vacuum sealed glove box, this would
be dangerous

3)Requires a NRC license and buying enough gas, in the amounts needed to
pressurize a sample, is very expensive. 

4)Even with a license and a willing supplier, ordering any such material
arouses suspicion of Dept of HS 

5)For anyone who does not want the attention - a few radioactive gases
could be extracted from ore, or collected/ manufactured in situ but this
creates problems for anyone wanting to replicate.

6)There is no assurance that Krypton would absorb into Raney nickel
without pressurization in the first place, and loading usually requires lots
of gas, which then contaminates all your equipment.

7)If you were going to do the experiment at all; using reproducible
technique, tritium would probably be preferable, and all of the same
negatives apply.

8)Even a wildly successful experiment would absolutely NOT be published
in a peer reviewed journal, unless you worked for a National Lab.

9)Activated Raney nickel itself is as almost as dangerous to handle as
an explosive - witness Rossi's two fires that burned down the entire labs.

 

There are probably more reasons than this, but a fair appraisal of the risks
involved would lead me to think that it would require $150,000 minimum, and
half of that goes to cleanup and disposal.

 

IMO - if all you want is the results for internal use - it would best be
done with radon derived from natural sources (pitchblende ore) mixed with
un-activated Raney and activated in a disposable reactor. There would be
cross comparison with a control. This makes the experiment hard to calibrate
and open to criticism.