Re: [Vo]:Why smart people defend bad ideas
Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Yuko Ogura looks to be about 16. But according to Wikipedia she was born November 1, 1983, making her well over 30 years old. She still looks like jail bait to me. When was this song videoed? 2004. She was 21, going on 14. As I say, this is the *ne plus ultra* expression of kawaii (cute). Anyway, Happy New Year! - Jed
[Vo]:Why smart people defend bad ideas
Why smart people defend bad ideas http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/ excerpt: The second stop on our tour of commonly defended bad ideas is the seemingly friendly notion of communal thinking. Just because everyone in the room is smart doesn’t mean that collectively they will arrive at smart ideas. The power of peer pressure is that it works on our psychology, not our intellect. As social animals we are heavily influenced by how the people around us behave, and the quality of our own internal decision making varies widely depending on the environment we currently are in. (e.g. Try to write a haiku poem while standing in an elevator with 15 opera singers screaming 15 different operas, in 15 different languages, in falsetto, directly at you vs. sitting on a bench in a quiet stretch of open woods). That said, the more homogeneous a group of people are in their thinking, the narrower the range of ideas that the group will openly consider. The more open minded, creative, and courageous a group is, the wider the pool of ideas they’ll be capable of exploring. Some teams of people look to focus groups, consultancies, and research methods to bring in outside ideas, but this rarely improves the quality of thinking in the group itself. Those outside ideas, however bold or original, are at the mercy of the diversity of thought within the group itself. If the group, as a collective, is only capable of approving B level work, it doesn’t matter how many A level ideas you bring to it. Focus groups or other outside sources of information can not give a team, or its leaders, a soul. A bland homogeneous team of people has no real opinions, because it consists of people with same backgrounds, outlooks, and experiences who will only feel comfortable discussing the safe ideas that fit into those constraints.If you want your smart people to be as smart as possible, seek a diversity of ideas. Find people with different experiences, opinions, backgrounds, weights, heights, races, facial hair styles, colors, past-times, favorite items of clothing, philosophies, and beliefs. Unify them around the results you want, not the means or approaches they are expected to use. It’s the only way to guarantee that the best ideas from your smartest people will be received openly by the people around them. On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and people. Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with. Be in the moment and be open to it. Until recently in human history, life was much less predictable and we were forced to encounter things not always of our own choosing. We are capable of more interesting and creative lives than our modern cultures often provide for us. If you go out of your way to find diverse experiences it will become impossible for you to miss ideas simply because your homogenous outlook filtered them out. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Why smart people defend bad ideas
Idiocy. Science is driven by experiment over argument. When you insist on contaminating every human ecology with every other human ecology you violate a central tenant of science: controlled experimentation. When failures occur under cirumstances of enforced contamination you are left with nothing but confusion. You learn nothing from your failures. Indeed, you learn nothing from your successes. The conceit that conversation or discourse or discussion can be the appeal of last resort in testing truth is something only humans who are deluded by words could conceive of. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:49 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Why smart people defend bad ideas http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/ excerpt: The second stop on our tour of commonly defended bad ideas is the seemingly friendly notion of communal thinking. Just because everyone in the room is smart doesn’t mean that collectively they will arrive at smart ideas. The power of peer pressure is that it works on our psychology, not our intellect. As social animals we are heavily influenced by how the people around us behave, and the quality of our own internal decision making varies widely depending on the environment we currently are in. (e.g. Try to write a haiku poem while standing in an elevator with 15 opera singers screaming 15 different operas, in 15 different languages, in falsetto, directly at you vs. sitting on a bench in a quiet stretch of open woods). That said, the more homogeneous a group of people are in their thinking, the narrower the range of ideas that the group will openly consider. The more open minded, creative, and courageous a group is, the wider the pool of ideas they’ll be capable of exploring. Some teams of people look to focus groups, consultancies, and research methods to bring in outside ideas, but this rarely improves the quality of thinking in the group itself. Those outside ideas, however bold or original, are at the mercy of the diversity of thought within the group itself. If the group, as a collective, is only capable of approving B level work, it doesn’t matter how many A level ideas you bring to it. Focus groups or other outside sources of information can not give a team, or its leaders, a soul. A bland homogeneous team of people has no real opinions, because it consists of people with same backgrounds, outlooks, and experiences who will only feel comfortable discussing the safe ideas that fit into those constraints.If you want your smart people to be as smart as possible, seek a diversity of ideas. Find people with different experiences, opinions, backgrounds, weights, heights, races, facial hair styles, colors, past-times, favorite items of clothing, philosophies, and beliefs. Unify them around the results you want, not the means or approaches they are expected to use. It’s the only way to guarantee that the best ideas from your smartest people will be received openly by the people around them. On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and people. Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with. Be in the moment and be open to it. Until recently in human history, life was much less predictable and we were forced to encounter things not always of our own choosing. We are capable of more interesting and creative lives than our modern cultures often provide for us. If you go out of your way to find diverse experiences it will become impossible for you to miss ideas simply because your homogenous outlook filtered them out. Harry
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I think you mean to say science SHOULD BE driven by experiments over arguments. However if science were driven by experiments, this list would not need to exist. John On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Idiocy. Science is driven by experiment over argument. When you insist on contaminating every human ecology with every other human ecology you violate a central tenant of science: controlled experimentation. When failures occur under cirumstances of enforced contamination you are left with nothing but confusion. You learn nothing from your failures. Indeed, you learn nothing from your successes. The conceit that conversation or discourse or discussion can be the appeal of last resort in testing truth is something only humans who are deluded by words could conceive of. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:49 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Why smart people defend bad ideas http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/ excerpt: The second stop on our tour of commonly defended bad ideas is the seemingly friendly notion of communal thinking. Just because everyone in the room is smart doesn’t mean that collectively they will arrive at smart ideas. The power of peer pressure is that it works on our psychology, not our intellect. As social animals we are heavily influenced by how the people around us behave, and the quality of our own internal decision making varies widely depending on the environment we currently are in. (e.g. Try to write a haiku poem while standing in an elevator with 15 opera singers screaming 15 different operas, in 15 different languages, in falsetto, directly at you vs. sitting on a bench in a quiet stretch of open woods). That said, the more homogeneous a group of people are in their thinking, the narrower the range of ideas that the group will openly consider. The more open minded, creative, and courageous a group is, the wider the pool of ideas they’ll be capable of exploring. Some teams of people look to focus groups, consultancies, and research methods to bring in outside ideas, but this rarely improves the quality of thinking in the group itself. Those outside ideas, however bold or original, are at the mercy of the diversity of thought within the group itself. If the group, as a collective, is only capable of approving B level work, it doesn’t matter how many A level ideas you bring to it. Focus groups or other outside sources of information can not give a team, or its leaders, a soul. A bland homogeneous team of people has no real opinions, because it consists of people with same backgrounds, outlooks, and experiences who will only feel comfortable discussing the safe ideas that fit into those constraints.If you want your smart people to be as smart as possible, seek a diversity of ideas. Find people with different experiences, opinions, backgrounds, weights, heights, races, facial hair styles, colors, past-times, favorite items of clothing, philosophies, and beliefs. Unify them around the results you want, not the means or approaches they are expected to use. It’s the only way to guarantee that the best ideas from your smartest people will be received openly by the people around them. On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and people. Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with. Be in the moment and be open to it. Until recently in human history, life was much less predictable and we were forced to encounter things not always of our own choosing. We are capable of more interesting and creative lives than our modern cultures often provide for us. If you go out of your way to find diverse experiences it will become impossible for you to miss ideas simply because your homogenous outlook filtered them out. Harry
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SUSY (super symmetry) is not supported by experimentation but it is absolutely required to make the standard model work, and 10 billion dollars spent to find SUSY experimentally. How many smart people do particle physics? Is particle physics FUBAR?
Re: [Vo]:Why smart people defend bad ideas
Happy New Year, Unfortunately science is not driven by experiments. I rather say that it is driven by politics. However, we could make 2015 the year we just do not listen to politics. The problem as described in the article emanates from our politicians in DC and corresponding places. We allow them to make rules we do not agree to or which are given to miscellaneous government institutions to refine out of very generic political statements. Everybody conform (to get a part of the benefits but the best results are often hidden as they do not fit the generic attitude. It all trickles down to the bureaucrat we get to deal with in person, who's only interest is to fit in with those generics. I am a firm believer in small organizations as they cannot hide a bunch of generic platitudes. Politics only works in large organizations. It exists everywhere but works better the large organization we have. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: SUSY (super symmetry) is not supported by experimentation but it is absolutely required to make the standard model work, and 10 billion dollars spent to find SUSY experimentally. How many smart people do particle physics? Is particle physics FUBAR?
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H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com quoted some good and bad ideas: On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and people. What does non-homogenous sex mean? With other people? My wife would object. I do not see what music or food has to do with being open to ideas. Arthur Clarke reportedly ate a typical British meat and potatoes diet his whole life, but he was broad minded about other things. I also know what I like and I like what I know, as the Brits say. I listen mainly to classical music. Most popular music sounds like abominable noise to me. Japanese popular music, being broadcast at this moment in the annual Kohaku Uta Gassen, is saccharine glop. New unusually people -- *that* I agree with. I don't actually like real, living people, because they are boring. I prefer dead people. In books. People lived hundreds of years ago in different countries give a whole new perspective. Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with. I get lost when I try to go to places I don't usually go. I show up at the airport the day after the flight. As I said, spending time with people who lived hundreds of years ago in Japan, Italy or Boston is an eye-opener. As Logan P. Smith put it, People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading. - Jed
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I wrote: Japanese popular music, being broadcast at this moment in the annual Kohaku Uta Gassen, is saccharine glop. Here is the ne *plus ultra* example. Watch if you dare; you risk kawaii (cute) apoplexy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAP6ogjTBSE This is so bad it is almost good. The translated lyrics are here: http://www.animelyrics.com/jpop/yuukorin/vitaminlove.htm - Jed
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I think that different countries of origin is an important thing, different first languages. These things have huge impacts on thinking. Which colours someone can see is effected by what language they are thinking in (proven in experiments). Qualified, and unqualified is another important one, education kills creativity and narrows world view. Different Myers briggs types. Different ages. Different genders? Maybe but there are few women in Physics. Different sexual orientations? Maybe the idea can be taken too far, but it is valid. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com quoted some good and bad ideas: On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and people. What does non-homogenous sex mean? With other people? My wife would object. I do not see what music or food has to do with being open to ideas. Arthur Clarke reportedly ate a typical British meat and potatoes diet his whole life, but he was broad minded about other things. I also know what I like and I like what I know, as the Brits say. I listen mainly to classical music. Most popular music sounds like abominable noise to me. Japanese popular music, being broadcast at this moment in the annual Kohaku Uta Gassen, is saccharine glop. New unusually people -- *that* I agree with. I don't actually like real, living people, because they are boring. I prefer dead people. In books. People lived hundreds of years ago in different countries give a whole new perspective. Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with. I get lost when I try to go to places I don't usually go. I show up at the airport the day after the flight. As I said, spending time with people who lived hundreds of years ago in Japan, Italy or Boston is an eye-opener. As Logan P. Smith put it, People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading. - Jed
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James, it sounds like you are having a bad day. harry On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 2:55 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I think you mean to say science SHOULD BE driven by experiments over arguments. However if science were driven by experiments, this list would not need to exist. John On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:21 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Idiocy. Science is driven by experiment over argument. When you insist on contaminating every human ecology with every other human ecology you violate a central tenant of science: controlled experimentation. When failures occur under cirumstances of enforced contamination you are left with nothing but confusion. You learn nothing from your failures. Indeed, you learn nothing from your successes. The conceit that conversation or discourse or discussion can be the appeal of last resort in testing truth is something only humans who are deluded by words could conceive of. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:49 AM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Why smart people defend bad ideas http://scottberkun.com/essays/40-why-smart-people-defend-bad-ideas/ excerpt: The second stop on our tour of commonly defended bad ideas is the seemingly friendly notion of communal thinking. Just because everyone in the room is smart doesn’t mean that collectively they will arrive at smart ideas. The power of peer pressure is that it works on our psychology, not our intellect. As social animals we are heavily influenced by how the people around us behave, and the quality of our own internal decision making varies widely depending on the environment we currently are in. (e.g. Try to write a haiku poem while standing in an elevator with 15 opera singers screaming 15 different operas, in 15 different languages, in falsetto, directly at you vs. sitting on a bench in a quiet stretch of open woods). That said, the more homogeneous a group of people are in their thinking, the narrower the range of ideas that the group will openly consider. The more open minded, creative, and courageous a group is, the wider the pool of ideas they’ll be capable of exploring. Some teams of people look to focus groups, consultancies, and research methods to bring in outside ideas, but this rarely improves the quality of thinking in the group itself. Those outside ideas, however bold or original, are at the mercy of the diversity of thought within the group itself. If the group, as a collective, is only capable of approving B level work, it doesn’t matter how many A level ideas you bring to it. Focus groups or other outside sources of information can not give a team, or its leaders, a soul. A bland homogeneous team of people has no real opinions, because it consists of people with same backgrounds, outlooks, and experiences who will only feel comfortable discussing the safe ideas that fit into those constraints.If you want your smart people to be as smart as possible, seek a diversity of ideas. Find people with different experiences, opinions, backgrounds, weights, heights, races, facial hair styles, colors, past-times, favorite items of clothing, philosophies, and beliefs. Unify them around the results you want, not the means or approaches they are expected to use. It’s the only way to guarantee that the best ideas from your smartest people will be received openly by the people around them. On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and people. Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with. Be in the moment and be open to it. Until recently in human history, life was much less predictable and we were forced to encounter things not always of our own choosing. We are capable of more interesting and creative lives than our modern cultures often provide for us. If you go out of your way to find diverse experiences it will become impossible for you to miss ideas simply because your homogenous outlook filtered them out. Harry
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watch more French cinema https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbAohexT0Ho Harry On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com quoted some good and bad ideas: On your own, avoid homogenous books, films, music, food, sex, media and people. What does non-homogenous sex mean? With other people? My wife would object. I do not see what music or food has to do with being open to ideas. Arthur Clarke reportedly ate a typical British meat and potatoes diet his whole life, but he was broad minded about other things. I also know what I like and I like what I know, as the Brits say. I listen mainly to classical music. Most popular music sounds like abominable noise to me. Japanese popular music, being broadcast at this moment in the annual Kohaku Uta Gassen, is saccharine glop. New unusually people -- *that* I agree with. I don't actually like real, living people, because they are boring. I prefer dead people. In books. People lived hundreds of years ago in different countries give a whole new perspective. Actually experience life by going to places you don’t usually go, spending time with people you don’t usually spend time with. I get lost when I try to go to places I don't usually go. I show up at the airport the day after the flight. As I said, spending time with people who lived hundreds of years ago in Japan, Italy or Boston is an eye-opener. As Logan P. Smith put it, People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading. - Jed
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Well, Jed, Yuko Ogura looks to be about 16. But according to Wikipedia she was born November 1, 1983, making her well over 30 years old. She still looks like jail bait to me. When was this song videoed? Fifteen years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuko_Ogura Oh my gosh! She's married and even had a kid back in 2012. She then wrote a book about motherhood. Amazing. Yuko's innocent child-like eyes capture Anime and Manga pretty good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime The you tube song was interesting to watch... just once. Educational. Happy New Year Vorts, and you too Jed. May 2015 bring us good surprises. It would be about time. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
