RE: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[Roarty, Francis X]

Jones, I have suspected a similar explanation for coral castle and monolith 
levitation – that the calcium based limestone forms cavities of Casimir 
geometry which contain trapped ambient gases that are in some manner stimulated 
asymmetrically during an up and down stroke between counterbalanced blocks to 
make them walkable.
Fran

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 5:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor


From: John Berry

If it works..

And that's a big IF, I do suspect it is possible to get energy out of 
asymmetric inertial transformation.

---

Yes, the one explanation which has a chance… “IF” the RAR works, is asymmetric 
inertia – most likely using the so-called “Casimatter,” configured as the 
weights. If it works, RAR will not let anyone get near those weights- which are 
disguised as solid metal blocks to hide what is inside.

The Principle of Equivalence - inertial mass is always equal to the 
gravitational mass– would presumably not apply to Casimatter. The 800 pound 
block used as the main weight for the gravitational down-stroke would 
effectively have something like 795 pounds of inertial resistance on the 
upstroke, for instance. This why you have to super-size it. Everything else, 
including the numerous design changes they have gone through, would be 
smoke-and-mirrors designed to confuse copycats.

About 5 years ago, Nick Reiter experimented with zeolites contain various metal 
ions – looking for the elusive Casimatter. AFAIK, he never was sure that he had 
found it unless it was with the aluminum chloride zeolite. But he was not 
telling everything… Come to think of it, there were some Brazilians on that 
forum who showed a keen interest in the experiments ☺

Re: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[MJ]

Last year RAR stated they have a working small model before 
designing the big ones.


Mark Jordan


On 18-Dec-15 13:24, a.ashfield wrote:

Jones,
"Hmmm... anyone got a clue about what the small gadget is - which is 
mounted to the bottom rail, just to the right of the main weight - and 
is moved slightly one every revolution by an elbow of one of the cranks?"


I'm guessing that it is intended to capture the momentum somehow. Just 
how is not clear.


What is intriguing is that someone bright enough to have accumulated 
enough money to make these two gigantic machines, would not have the 
sense to try it on a small model first and then build just one machine 
not two, without being very confident that it worked.


RAREnergia wrote that it did work.
"Final pieces and weights of our motor moved by the power of gravity 
can be assembled in many positions, forming different but similar 
forms. We tested the final part, in several assembling models. The 
motor worked perfectly in all models, varying between bigger and minor 
power or torch (torque?). We choose (chose?) one of the models to 
conclude the assembling of the equipment and we posted more pictures."


But if it works, why have we not seen a video of it and why not a 
press conference to show the world that what we learned at school was 
wrong?  RAR must know if it works.  I was expecting no further news 
indefinitely so that they are back is a surprise.

RE: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[a.ashfield]

Jones,
"Hmmm... anyone got a clue about what the small gadget is - which is 
mounted to the bottom rail, just to the right of the main weight - and 
is moved slightly one every revolution by an elbow of one of the cranks?"


I'm guessing that it is intended to capture the momentum somehow. Just 
how is not clear.


What is intriguing is that someone bright enough to have accumulated 
enough money to make these two gigantic machines, would not have the 
sense to try it on a small model first and then build just one machine 
not two, without being very confident that it worked.


RAREnergia wrote that it did work.
"Final pieces and weights of our motor moved by the power of gravity can 
be assembled in many positions, forming different but similar forms. We 
tested the final part, in several assembling models. The motor worked 
perfectly in all models, varying between bigger and minor power or torch 
(torque?). We choose (chose?) one of the models to conclude the 
assembling of the equipment and we posted more pictures."


But if it works, why have we not seen a video of it and why not a press 
conference to show the world that what we learned at school was wrong?  
RAR must know if it works.  I was expecting no further news indefinitely 
so that they are back is a surprise.

Re: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[John Berry]

If it works..

And that's a big IF, I do suspect it is possible to get energy out of
asymmetric inertial transformation.

There is quite a bit of strong evidence that motion rectifiers do work
(dean drive etc), and this is the other side of the same coil, that the
acceleration profile with which something is accelerated can lead to a
decoupling of inertia so to speak.

So maybe if something is lifted slowly, but falls quickly.

The EM drive might be just a photonic version of a dean drive, but the RAR
engine might be playing with the asymmetry in a slightly different way.

Asymmetry is how you mess with matter's coupling to the aether, how you
stop the mathematical predicted results that conserve energy and momentum.

John


On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 5:01 AM, MJ  wrote:

>
> Last year RAR stated they have a working small model before designing
> the big ones.
>
> Mark Jordan
>
>
>
> On 18-Dec-15 13:24, a.ashfield wrote:
>
>> Jones,
>> "Hmmm... anyone got a clue about what the small gadget is - which is
>> mounted to the bottom rail, just to the right of the main weight - and is
>> moved slightly one every revolution by an elbow of one of the cranks?"
>>
>> I'm guessing that it is intended to capture the momentum somehow. Just
>> how is not clear.
>>
>> What is intriguing is that someone bright enough to have accumulated
>> enough money to make these two gigantic machines, would not have the sense
>> to try it on a small model first and then build just one machine not two,
>> without being very confident that it worked.
>>
>> RAREnergia wrote that it did work.
>> "Final pieces and weights of our motor moved by the power of gravity can
>> be assembled in many positions, forming different but similar forms. We
>> tested the final part, in several assembling models. The motor worked
>> perfectly in all models, varying between bigger and minor power or torch
>> (torque?). We choose (chose?) one of the models to conclude the assembling
>> of the equipment and we posted more pictures."
>>
>> But if it works, why have we not seen a video of it and why not a press
>> conference to show the world that what we learned at school was wrong?  RAR
>> must know if it works.  I was expecting no further news indefinitely so
>> that they are back is a surprise.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[Bob Higgins]

I thought this machine was oriented in a specific direction so as to
subtract energy from the rotation of the Earth.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* John Berry
>
> If it works..
>
> And that's a big IF, I do suspect it is possible to get energy out of
> asymmetric inertial transformation.
>
> ---
>
> Yes, the one explanation which has a chance… “IF” the RAR works, is asymmetric
> inertia – most likely using the so-called “Casimatter,” configured as the
> weights. If it works, RAR will not let anyone get near those weights-
> which are disguised as solid metal blocks to hide what is inside.
>
> The Principle of Equivalence - inertial mass is always equal to the
> gravitational mass– would presumably not apply to Casimatter. The 800
> pound block used as the main weight for the gravitational down-stroke would
> effectively have something like 795 pounds of inertial resistance on the
> upstroke, for instance. This why you have to super-size it. Everything
> else, including the numerous design changes they have gone through, would
> be smoke-and-mirrors designed to confuse copycats.
>
> About 5 years ago, Nick Reiter experimented with zeolites contain various
> metal ions – looking for the elusive Casimatter. AFAIK, he never was sure
> that he had found it unless it was with the aluminum chloride zeolite. But
> he was not telling everything… Come to think of it, there were some
> Brazilians on that forum who showed a keen interest in the experiments J
>
>

RE: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[Jones Beene]

From: John Berry 

If it works..

And that's a big IF, I do suspect it is possible to get energy out of 
asymmetric inertial transformation.
---

Yes, the one explanation which has a chance… “IF” the RAR works, is asymmetric 
inertia – most likely using the so-called “Casimatter,” configured as the 
weights. If it works, RAR will not let anyone get near those weights- which are 
disguised as solid metal blocks to hide what is inside.

The Principle of Equivalence - inertial mass is always equal to the 
gravitational mass– would presumably not apply to Casimatter. The 800 pound 
block used as the main weight for the gravitational down-stroke would 
effectively have something like 795 pounds of inertial resistance on the 
upstroke, for instance. This why you have to super-size it. Everything else, 
including the numerous design changes they have gone through, would be 
smoke-and-mirrors designed to confuse copycats.

About 5 years ago, Nick Reiter experimented with zeolites contain various metal 
ions – looking for the elusive Casimatter. AFAIK, he never was sure that he had 
found it unless it was with the aluminum chloride zeolite. But he was not 
telling everything… Come to think of it, there were some Brazilians on that 
forum who showed a keen interest in the experiments :-)

Re: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[a.ashfield]

The animated GIFs at 
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Animated_Gifs_of_RAR_Energia_Gravity_Motor_Mechanism 
show how it is supposed to work.
The weight on the left moves away from the pivot point on the down 
cycle, increasing the moment.  The weight on the right side is supported 
for some of the up stroke.  Not worth the time to calculate what the 
actual result would be.

RE: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[Jones Beene]

Hmmm... anyone got a clue about what the small gadget is - which is mounted to 
the bottom rail, just to the right of the main weight - and is moved slightly 
one every revolution by an elbow of one of the cranks?

This device seems to provide no obvious useful function - which probably means 
that without it, the thing would not work at all.


-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield 
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 9:43 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

The animated GIFs at
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Animated_Gifs_of_RAR_Energia_Gravity_Motor_Mechanism
show how it is supposed to work.
The weight on the left moves away from the pivot point on the down cycle, 
increasing the moment.  The weight on the right side is supported for some of 
the up stroke.  Not worth the time to calculate what the actual result would be.

[Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[a.ashfield]

RAR Energia have published some clearer images of the mechanism at the 
end of their web page.   The design has some modifications but it is 
still not clear (to me) how it is supposed to work.  It seems they have 
not given up.

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

Re: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[John Berry]

Sheesh, that monstrosity is only meant to generate 30KW.

So even IF it works perfectly, it is a terrible sounding investment!

I can kinda understand that they might be having trouble with it even IF
they are right about the concept, there are so many moving parts in that
thing it would be easy to lose a decade trying to get it to all work
together smoothly, with low enough friction etc...

And it is hard to believe in an impossible sounding, unclear complex
design...

John


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:21 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> RAR Energia have published some clearer images of the mechanism at the end
> of their web page.   The design has some modifications but it is still not
> clear (to me) how it is supposed to work.  It seems they have not given up.
> http://www.rarenergia.com.br/
>
>

Re: [Vo]:new images RAR Energia gravity motor

[Jed Rothwell]

John Berry  wrote:

Sheesh, that monstrosity is only meant to generate 30KW.
>
> So even IF it works perfectly, it is a terrible sounding investment!
>

Like a tokamak plasma fusion reactor.

Seriously, I think the people making this think it can only work on a
gigantic scale, which is similar to a tokamak.

- Jed