Re: Incandescent lights was RE: [Vo]:X-prize proposal

2014-02-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.  wrote:

In cold climates, they make nice localized heaters, and will probably cost
> less than what your electric furnace would have cost to run . . .
>

The energy cost is exactly the same as a resistance electric heater. The
equipment cost is far higher. A small, 1.5 kW resistance electric heater
costs much less than 15 light bulbs, and it lasts much longer.

In most geographic locations, space heating or water heating with electric
resistance is extremely uneconomical. You should use a heat pump in warm
locals, or gas heating in cold, northern ones. In a few places such as
Washington state they have a great deal of hydroelectricity in winter, so
it makes sense to use resistance heating. In a cold place with lots of
excess wind energy it would also make sense to use resistance heating.

An on-demand electric water heater is sometimes an economical solution,
such as in a spread-out house where a bathroom is far from where a hot
water heater tank can be located. You run only a cold water line to the
distant bathroom and heat the water on demand there.

- Jed


Incandescent lights was RE: [Vo]:X-prize proposal

2014-02-15 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
In cold climates, they make nice localized heaters, and will probably cost less 
than what your electric furnace would have cost to run,

so the efforts to ban them is misguided.  ( They're also used in other heating 
applications and as nice load resistors for electrical

testing.)



Hoyt Stearns

Scottsdale, Arizona  (where we don't need much heat, so I'm replacing 
everything with LEDs.)



P.S. I toured the Boeing Everett Washington 747 plant years ago, and they told 
us that they didn't need any air heaters,

the lamps (metal halide lamps in that case ) and equipment were enough to heat 
that 100 acre building.







From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 1:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:X-prize proposal



On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:



Using incandescent lights is economic lunacy. Even with cold fusion it would be 
crazy, especially in commercial apps.





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