RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Jones Beene]

Terry,

 

… good to see someone is fact-checking. The damage could be inflated several 
orders of magnitude with other assumptions, but clearly a gram of this isotope 
is not as scary as first imagined … about the same energy as plutonium it 
seems…  yet still a milligram of it is not something you want to zap with a 
laser in the basement lab. 

 

From: Terry Blanton 

 

At 10^18 eV/J that's only about 10^10 J or about 2.4 tons of TNT. 

Re: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Terry Blanton]

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:


> There are major implications of that possibility, and that is the scare.
>
> A gram of 62Ni is about .016 moles and could contains about 10^19 quantum
> dots of the isotope. A closer estimate, which account for impurities and
> imperfections would be 10^17 quantum dots, and the energy of each one, if
> transitioned into the super Higgs would be 751 GeV each or about 7.5*10^28
> eV total.
>
> Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in
> everyone’s arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything…
> that is the big scare.
>

At 10^18 eV/J that's only about 10^10 J or about 2.4 tons of TNT.

Re: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Eric Walker]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Teslaalset 
wrote:

 Say... maybe I should rush this idea off to USPTO : Too late, you made
> this prior art by posting it on this public reflector.
>

We still don't know *how* to make the super Higgs boson of 62Ni, which is
something that Jones could disclose in a patent. But it's probably for the
best that we don't know.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Teslaalset]

 Say... maybe I should rush this idea off to USPTO : Too late, you made
this prior art by posting it on this public reflector.


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: mix...@bigpond.com
>
> > Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in
> everyone's arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything.
> that is the big scare.
>
> >> Probably not, since, as you have previously pointed out, enriched Ni62
> is
> available for purchase, and hence 13 Ni62 atoms have already been assembled
> in billions of crystals, without dire consequence.
>
> Yes, Robin - but perhaps the normal use of the isotope as an accelerator
> target is not sufficient to achieve a transition to the super-Higgs. As you
> say, an anomaly would have been seen. Has anyone added cryogenics?
>
> It could require the condensate in order to make the transition, and not
> just the BEC but also an source of very sharp implosion such as a chirped
> laser pulse. Otherwise, someone would have noticed some anomaly with it
> already, since the use of the isotope itself is fairly common in medicine.
>
> One suggestion to test the possibility would be fabrication of a laser
> target composed only of the Ni-62 isotope, possibly plated into a hohlraum
> -
> which is brought to near absolute zero in temperature - and thus the nickel
> is in the condensed state to begin with. Magnetization could help to
> achieve
> the BEC.
>
> Say... maybe I should rush this idea off to USPTO.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com 

> Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in
everyone's arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything.
that is the big scare. 

>> Probably not, since, as you have previously pointed out, enriched Ni62 is
available for purchase, and hence 13 Ni62 atoms have already been assembled
in billions of crystals, without dire consequence.

Yes, Robin - but perhaps the normal use of the isotope as an accelerator
target is not sufficient to achieve a transition to the super-Higgs. As you
say, an anomaly would have been seen. Has anyone added cryogenics? 

It could require the condensate in order to make the transition, and not
just the BEC but also an source of very sharp implosion such as a chirped
laser pulse. Otherwise, someone would have noticed some anomaly with it
already, since the use of the isotope itself is fairly common in medicine.

One suggestion to test the possibility would be fabrication of a laser
target composed only of the Ni-62 isotope, possibly plated into a hohlraum -
which is brought to near absolute zero in temperature - and thus the nickel
is in the condensed state to begin with. Magnetization could help to achieve
the BEC.

Say... maybe I should rush this idea off to USPTO.  

Re: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:03:17 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in everyone’s 
>arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything… that is the big 
>scare. 
Probably not, since, as you have previously pointed out, enriched Ni62 is
available for purchase, and hence 13 Ni62 atoms have already been assembled in
billions of crystals, without dire consequence.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Axil Axil]

Condensed mater can mimic all sorts of exotic particles. Science has just
found the weyl particle in certain material with strong spin orbit coupling.

http://phys.org/news/2015-12-weyl-fermion-discovery-ten-breakthrough.html

The Weyl fermion was predicted by Dirac but never found in isolation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyl_semimetal

https://www.quora.com/Quantum-Field-Theory-What-is-a-Weyl-fermion

This particle also produces monopole magitism. Condensed matter can
generate all kinds of exotic particles that have not yet been found in
isolation. I believe that the Tachyon monopole  has been produced in
condensed matter and plays a major tole in LENR,





On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Here is your terrifying scare-of-the day. It was inspired by Nick
> Bostrom’s new book which does not go anywhere near this far.
>
>
>
> In the context of LENR, it has been mentioned here that nickel-62 is a
> one-of-a-kind singularity in the periodic table. It is the most stable
> isotope in all of nature, with the highest binding energy per nucleon (8.8
> MeV). Is this kind of stability a marker for another unique property?
>
>
>
> If a very expansive version of supersymmetry is found in nature, it could
> be possible that quantum dots of select pure isotopes can mimic not only a
> single atom of a different element, but can even mimic other basic
> particles, including perhaps the new one discovered at LHC of mass-energy
> 750 GeV.
>
>
>
> Google: superatom, if you have doubts that the first part of this
> proposition is feasible. The magic numbers for superatoms start at 13… and
> a quantum dot of 13 62Ni atoms would act as another particle in a strong
> version of supersymmetry. The most basic quantum dot of 62Ni does indeed
> have 13 atoms in an closely bound crystal. 62Ni is also bosonic.
>
> Now, imagine the 13 atom quantum dot made of the isotope nickel 62 as a
> condensate. It would have mass-energy of 751 GeV. Let’s assume that this
> particle has two potential identities – one being related to nickel and
> the other being the unexpected new particle discovered at the LHC, which
> can be described as the superset of the Higgs – 6 Higgs bosons in a unit
> of ~750 GeV mass-energy.
>
> Finally, how much of a stretch is it to propose using strong
> supersymmetry - that in cryogenic conditions in a multi-T magnetic field,
> the quantum dot BEC of nickel can transition into a new identity as the
> super-Higgs, possibly benefitting from ignition from a laser pulse to
> accomplish this transition… following which, it will decay in the same
> fashion as seen at LHC.
>
> There are major implications of that possibility, and that is the scare.
>
> A gram of 62Ni is about .016 moles and could contains about 10^19 quantum
> dots of the isotope. A closer estimate, which account for impurities and
> imperfections would be 10^17 quantum dots, and the energy of each one, if
> transitioned into the super Higgs would be 751 GeV each or about 7.5*10^28
> eV total.
>
> Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in
> everyone’s arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything…
> that is the big scare.
>
> If so, this outcome explains why some scientists believe that ALL
> technologically advanced civilizations eventually and inevitably
> self-annihilate once they reach a certain plateau … the proof of that
> uncomfortable realization being simply that there should be many such
> civilizations, but we know of none.
>
> The good news is that we do not have to worry about living in a Sim…
>
> … that would be because all the previous civilized societies have built
> large hadron colliders, found the super-Higgs, discovered superatoms and
> quantum dots… dissed cold fusion, and then… with history repeating itself
> over-and-over, the crazy cold-fusioneers have connected the dots to prove a
> painful point …
>
> … thereby eliminating all the pathoskeptics, for good J
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Ron Wormus]

Jones,
Has there ever been any evidence that super-symmetry exists? I consider it 
in the realm of string theory; just another theorists dream.

Ron

--On Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:03 AM -0700 Jones Beene 
 wrote:





Here is your terrifying scare-of-the day. It was inspired by Nick
Bostrom's new book which does not go anywhere near this far.



In the context of LENR, it has been mentioned here that nickel-62 is a
one-of-a-kind singularity in the periodic table. It is the most stable
isotope in all of nature, with the highest binding energy per nucleon
(8.8 MeV). Is this kind of stability a marker for another unique
property?



If a very expansive version of supersymmetry is found in nature, it
could be possible that quantum dots of select pure isotopes can mimic
not only a single atom of a different element, but can even mimic other
basic particles, including perhaps the new one discovered at LHC of
mass-energy 750 GeV.



Google: superatom, if you have doubts that the first part of this
proposition is feasible. The magic numbers for superatoms start at 13…
and a quantum dot of 13 62Ni atoms would act as another particle in a
strong version of supersymmetry. The most basic quantum dot of 62Ni does
indeed have 13 atoms in an closely bound crystal. 62Ni is also bosonic.

Now, imagine the 13 atom quantum dot made of the isotope nickel 62 as a
condensate. It would have mass-energy of 751 GeV. Let's assume that
this particle has two potential identities – one being related to
nickel and the other being the unexpected new particle discovered at the
LHC, which can be described as the superset of the Higgs – 6 Higgs
bosons in a unit of ~750 GeV mass-energy.

Finally, how much of a stretch is it to propose using strong
supersymmetry - that in cryogenic conditions in a multi-T magnetic
field, the quantum dot BEC of nickel can transition into a new identity
as the super-Higgs, possibly benefitting from ignition from a laser
pulse to accomplish this transition… following which, it will decay in
the same fashion as seen at LHC.

There are major implications of that possibility, and that is the scare.

A gram of 62Ni is about .016 moles and could contains about 10^19
quantum dots of the isotope. A closer estimate, which account for
impurities and imperfections would be 10^17 quantum dots, and the energy
of each one, if transitioned into the super Higgs would be 751 GeV each
or about 7.5*10^28 eV total.

Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in
everyone's arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of
everything… that is the big scare.

If so, this outcome explains why some scientists believe that ALL
technologically advanced civilizations eventually and inevitably
self-annihilate once they reach a certain plateau … the proof of that
uncomfortable realization being simply that there should be many such
civilizations, but we know of none.

The good news is that we do not have to worry about living in a Sim…

… that would be because all the previous civilized societies have
built large hadron colliders, found the super-Higgs, discovered
superatoms and quantum dots… dissed cold fusion, and then… with
history repeating itself over-and-over, the crazy cold-fusioneers have
connected the dots to prove a painful point …

… thereby eliminating all the pathoskeptics, for good J

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Chris Zell]

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 2:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

Here is your terrifying scare-of-the day. It was inspired by Nick Bostrom’s new 
book which does not go anywhere near this far.
a

Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in everyone’s 
arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything… that is the big 
scare.

That’s the sort of thought that was published in a mainstream magazine about 
Cold Fusion shortly before Mallove was murdered –in a huge coincidence, 
completely unrelated to any conspiracy (of course).

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Jones Beene]

Here is your terrifying scare-of-the day. It was inspired by Nick Bostrom’s new 
book which does not go anywhere near this far.

 

In the context of LENR, it has been mentioned here that nickel-62 is a 
one-of-a-kind singularity in the periodic table. It is the most stable isotope 
in all of nature, with the highest binding energy per nucleon (8.8 MeV). Is 
this kind of stability a marker for another unique property?

 

If a very expansive version of supersymmetry is found in nature, it could be 
possible that quantum dots of select pure isotopes can mimic not only a single 
atom of a different element, but can even mimic other basic particles, 
including perhaps the new one discovered at LHC of mass-energy 750 GeV. 

 

Google: superatom, if you have doubts that the first part of this proposition 
is feasible. The magic numbers for superatoms start at 13… and a quantum dot of 
13 62Ni atoms would act as another particle in a strong version of 
supersymmetry. The most basic quantum dot of 62Ni does indeed have 13 atoms in 
an closely bound crystal. 62Ni is also bosonic.

Now, imagine the 13 atom quantum dot made of the isotope nickel 62 as a 
condensate. It would have mass-energy of 751 GeV. Let’s assume that this 
particle has two potential identities – one being related to nickel and the 
other being the unexpected new particle discovered at the LHC, which can be 
described as the superset of the Higgs – 6 Higgs bosons in a unit of ~750 GeV 
mass-energy.

Finally, how much of a stretch is it to propose using strong supersymmetry - 
that in cryogenic conditions in a multi-T magnetic field, the quantum dot BEC 
of nickel can transition into a new identity as the super-Higgs, possibly 
benefitting from ignition from a laser pulse to accomplish this transition… 
following which, it will decay in the same fashion as seen at LHC.

There are major implications of that possibility, and that is the scare. 

A gram of 62Ni is about .016 moles and could contains about 10^19 quantum dots 
of the isotope. A closer estimate, which account for impurities and 
imperfections would be 10^17 quantum dots, and the energy of each one, if 
transitioned into the super Higgs would be 751 GeV each or about 7.5*10^28 eV 
total.

Could that happen? Hope not, since its more than all the nukes in everyone’s 
arsenal. Could a gram of anything spell the end of everything… that is the big 
scare. 

If so, this outcome explains why some scientists believe that ALL 
technologically advanced civilizations eventually and inevitably 
self-annihilate once they reach a certain plateau … the proof of that 
uncomfortable realization being simply that there should be many such 
civilizations, but we know of none. 

The good news is that we do not have to worry about living in a Sim…

… that would be because all the previous civilized societies have built large 
hadron colliders, found the super-Higgs, discovered superatoms and quantum 
dots… dissed cold fusion, and then… with history repeating itself 
over-and-over, the crazy cold-fusioneers have connected the dots to prove a 
painful point … 

… thereby eliminating all the pathoskeptics, for good J

 

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Jones Beene]

Imagine the basic 13 atom FCC quantum dot made of the isotope nickel 62. It 
would have mass-energy of 751 GeV. This crystal is composed of atomic and 
nuclear bosons (pure 62Ni).

Let’s assume that this particle has two potential identities – one being the 
particle described above and the other being the unexpected new particle 
discovered at the LHC which can be described as the superset of the Higgs – 6 
Higgs bosons as a unit of 750 GeV mass-energy.

Finally, how much of a stretch is it to assume strong supersymmetry such that 
at cryogenic conditions in a multi-T magnetic field, the quantum dot of the 
first paragraph can transition into a new identity as the super-Higgs, possibly 
benefitting from a laser pulse - and decay in the same fashion as seen at LHC.

Whoa. There are major implications of that possibility.

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Jones Beene]

Here is something worth thinking about in the context of why nickel could be 
effective for creating a thermal anomaly (as seen in LENR) in the context of 
supersymmetry and the 750 GeV “big-god” particle. (let’s call it the “BG” so as 
not to offend). Admittedly, this takes SUSY to the extreme.

The simplest quantum dot is the FCC crystal, which is composed of 12 atoms in a 
cage around a single core atom – 13 in all. This is the FCC close-packed 
“cubohexahedron” which is the most common ideal crystal structure for 
transition metals. This stable geometry was the inspiration of Buckminster 
Fuller’s dymaxion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuboctahedron

Nickel has an average molecular weight of 58.7 so 13 atoms in the most basic 
possible quantum dot of nickel weigh 763 amu and 1 amu = 931.49 MeV so the 
nickel quantum dot would be 711 GeV equivalent, which is a bit too light for 
the BG particle… 

… but if that quantum dot was made of the isotope nickel 62, it would be 
right-on for the BG  – 751 Gev… most interesting, no? 

Wow, not only is it the correct value for BG cross-identity, this crystal is 
also a molecular boson composted of atomic bosons, composed of nuclear bosons.

Heck, for all we know, the hydrogen in Ni-H reaction itself is superfluous, or 
merely helps to isolate the FCC crystal, and the nickel itself is the active 
ingredient  :-)

That would be a big paradigm shift for Ni-H –since the former catalyst becomes 
the active fuel and the former active fuel becomes the catalyst.

---
I should have explained that SUSY is short for supersymmetry.

Supersymmetry is a proposed type of spacetime symmetry that relates the basic 
classes of elementary particles: bosons and fermions… thus the speculation that 
there could be a fermion “relative” to the new boson which has special 
properties. Obviously, it would be unlikely to appear as a single particle.

BTW – nickel could be a near fit … say, in a crystal of 12 atoms…[make that 13]

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Jones Beene]

I should have explained that SUSY is short for supersymmetry.

 

Supersymmetry is a proposed type of spacetime symmetry that relates the basic 
classes of elementary particles: bosons and fermions… thus the speculation that 
there could be a fermion “relative” to the new boson which has special 
properties. Obviously, it would be unlikely to appear as a single particle.

 

BTW – nickel could be a near fit … say, in a crystal of 12 atoms…

 

From: Axil Axil

 

"If the new kid’s name is SUSY, does that mean the her partner will be a 750 
GEV fermion?"

 

I saw in an explanation that the particle must be a boson with spin 1 because 
it produces 2 photons with spin 1.

 

This means that the 750 particle is a force carrier, This particle could be the 
particle that produces LENR, a monopole force carrier and/or a tachyon. 

RE: [Vo]:Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

[Jones Beene]

Then there is SUSY. 

 

If the new particle-x (and/or 5th force)  and the LHC 750 GeV boson are
validated in some way, along with the Higgs, is the agglomeration of all of
these new findings the real 5th force, and not any constituent particle?
(and is it  coincidental that the mass of 6 Higgs particles = the new kid on
the block. 

 

If the new kid's name is SUSY, does that mean the her partner will be a 750
GEV fermion?

 

What about a molecular analog at 750 GeV? Would it have unusual or special
properties. something like deuterated antimony Sb6D6 or tin/lithium Sn6Li6
or even a crystal phase of Tellurium ?

 

Is Particle Physics About to Crack?

This story appeared today on the Sci-Am blog.

 

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/is-particle-physics-about-to-
crack-wide-open/

. but it can be (should be) read in the context of two other recent stories
in particle physics, all from last week - and which are not mentioned. Those
other two are the "fifth force" and "particle-x" discoveries.  Those later
two stories both relate to a putative new particle with mass-energy around
17 MeV, which could be the same particle, whereas the LHC story is about a
massive particle of 750 GeV.

There is the off-chance that all of these stories could be involved in LENR,
especially the two which talk about a lower energy particle - but even the
last one is not ruled out, especially in regard to the Holmlid effect -
where the goal is to explain a very large (apparent) appearance of muons. 

Since a cluster of deuterons, the so-called UDD, which is irradiated by a
laser pulse in Holmlid's work can easily supply a 750 GeV burst, this large
amount of mass-energy cannot be ruled out, even in a small LENR experiment .
which could manifest itself as muons in the decay process! After all, it's
not really much in macro terms- the ten microjoule range, aka the proverbial
flea-fart.

Together with the ludicrous Rossi Quark-x report, this convergence of the
highly improbable with the remotely possible has to crack you up, particle
fizzicyst or not. 

It actually makes me wonder if we are not seeing a crack in the Sim. J