Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
... ROSSI SAID ... (as usual) 2011/10/29 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint > At least the thermocouples were placed by the company’s engineer and not > Rossi... > -mark > > >
RE: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
At least the thermocouples were placed by the company’s engineer and not Rossi... -mark
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
2011/10/29 Jed Rothwell : > > Needless to say, if you believe those documents, it is an open and shut > case. There is no chance of a measurement error. One thing to note that the contract was formulated that it explicitly stated that heat was originated from cold fusion reaction. Therefore, if Rossi gets money and it turns out to be hoax (either falsified instruments for measuring input power or hidden power source which was not discovered in October 6th), then it may be considered as a breach for the contract and the Customer may require full monetary compensation. However neither this test nor the contract did not give any evidence or requirements for long term performance. Therefore, if this is the most elaborated hoax in history (of free energy), certainly Rossi is doing it for the sake pleasure to fool people. However, it is sad that the method Rossi is doing these things, just reeks out for a scam. Always too short demonstrations with limited output, and because they are not independently validated by scientists, then there is noway that it could be convincing demonstration for the wide audience. –Jouni Ps. There is still lights in the tunnel, because the research contract with Bologna University should start immediately.
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
Robert Leguillon wrote: This test has been a colossal disappointment. > I know Rossi pretty well by now, so I was expecting something like this. Given who Rossi is and how he thinks, this wasn't a colossal disappointment. You have to remember, he was under no obligation to let anyone in, or tell anyone about it. He did us a favor by letting us see it at a distance. By his lights, he did. Some good things may come of this, fairly soon. I think it will have a positive impact. Be of good cheer. > Instead, we in the Peanut Gallery must do exactly what Rossi has always > said. We must wait for the only real evidence that he wants to give us: his > satisfied customers. > Maybe not. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
This test has been a colossal disappointment. I was hoping for good, reliable, superior calorimetry, and something decisive. When it began, I was concerned about the steam output being recirculated and never actually observed. Any measured output over 100C would be considered complete vaporization, ignoring the fact that it could be 99.9% water outflow at a slightly elevated boiling point. This would make the idiotic phase-change calorimetry problems come full circle. Instead, we in the Peanut Gallery must do exactly what Rossi has always said. We must wait for the only real evidence that he wants to give us: his satisfied customers. Alas, the best I can do is follow Jed's suggestion, and be polite: "Rossi did not produce any irrefutable proof in this demonstration." If there is indeed a real customer, and that customer was indeed convinced, then good for Rossi. If, on the other hand, this is a scam, then a pox on his house (even if he has sold it).
Re: [Vo]:Lewan and other observers unable to confirm claims
I wrote: > I take those documents seriously, but I cannot fully trust them without > knowing who those people are and what company they are affiliated with. > Needless to say, if you believe those documents, it is an open and shut case. There is no chance of a measurement error. I do, actually, believe them but I admit this test could be construed as a gigantic and expensive fraud. I will grant there is a slight chance of that. There is no independent proof the documents are real. If you are expecting the world to wake up tomorrow believing this, you will be disappointed. However, large numbers of serious people with serious money will believe it, as much as I do (with only minor reservations). I have heard from a number of them. That's good news. At this stage we need people with barrels of money more than we need public support. We will need support later on. So, all in all, this was a positive event, and it will help cold fusion. - Jed
