Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
In reply to Sunil Shah's message of Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:52:25 +0200: Hi, [snip] No sound eminating from the arc, that I could discern. Since thunder is caused by rapid expansion of the air (and ions), a permanent arc (presumably low power), might not create much sound, as the air around it has already stabilized. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Thu, 5 Sep 2013 23:03:08 -0700: Hi, [snip] On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:49 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Another related video is at - U.F.O.Shoots Down U.S.Nuclear Missile.Retired Military Man Bob Jacobs, Explains The Event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wFmtr05Ko The UFO was observed to have a raised bubble (i.e., a round cockpit window). ;) What I don't understand is why the alien would want to shoot down a missile from an interceptor missile test. Eric ...just to prove they can run rings around us. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:49 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Another related video is at - U.F.O.Shoots Down U.S.Nuclear Missile.Retired Military Man Bob Jacobs, Explains The Event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wFmtr05Ko The UFO was observed to have a raised bubble (i.e., a round cockpit window). ;) What I don't understand is why the alien would want to shoot down a missile from an interceptor missile test. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
From nearly 1000 miles away, it's hard to believe that level of detail could be observed. Aliens make for a more interesting story, but my bet is that a volume of plasma developed around the missile to offset charge stripped from the missile skin. Maybe bored aliens become mischievous? Eric Walker wrote: On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:49 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Another related video is at - U.F.O.Shoots Down U.S.Nuclear Missile.Retired Military Man Bob Jacobs, Explains The Event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wFmtr05Ko The UFO was observed to have a raised bubble (i.e., a round cockpit window). ;) What I don't understand is why the alien would want to shoot down a missile from an interceptor missile test. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:04:32 -0400 (EDT): Hi Dave, [snip] IOW you think it was a fake. :) Robin, I was of the opinion that the video shown was not the actual one taken, but instead a replication. The original was supposed to have been taken away by the officers. Dave Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Yes. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:04:32 -0400 (EDT): Hi Dave, [snip] IOW you think it was a fake. :) Robin, I was of the opinion that the video shown was not the actual one taken, but instead a replication. The original was supposed to have been taken away by the officers. Dave Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Apparently the original film was confiscated, and the video is a simulation. The participants are adamant about the UFO events. They argue with Bill Nye who attempts to debunk their claims in the video: Bill Nye attempts to debunk Bob Jacobs' UFO claim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asnaykgZE8M Another related video is at - U.F.O.Shoots Down U.S.Nuclear Missile.Retired Military Man Bob Jacobs, Explains The Event http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8wFmtr05Ko I am surprised that ball lightning is never mentioned by Nye or the former Air Force officers. Nor as exciting as extraterrestrials? David Roberson wrote: Yes. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:04:32 -0400 (EDT): Hi Dave, [snip] IOW you think it was a fake. :) Robin, I was of the opinion that the video shown was not the actual one taken, but instead a replication. The original was supposed to have been taken away by the officers. Dave Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Wed, 4 Sep 2013 01:22:57 -0400 (EDT): Hi Lou, [snip] It's the very first beam you actually see, at 1:16 into the video quoted in my email (which is an extract from the Larry King video), or 3:43 into the Larry King video. It crosses over the capsule, but ends in space, then shifts around to intercept it. After that, it moves around and takes another shot. If you watch the beam you will also see that it has a fixed length. On thinking more about this however it occurs to me that particles beams in the atmosphere do have a limited length as they are eventually stopped by air. They are also visible because of the interaction with air. I had originally assumed that the whole scene played out in space, however that may not be the case. It could have been in the upper atmosphere, in which case I would have to withdraw my comment about it being fake. Robin, I watched the movie again. I cannot see the evidence that you do. The missile is 600 miles away moving at 8000 mph, surrounded by much anti-radar chaff, and did indeed malfunction after the UFO event. Several of the people on that Larry King Show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Plzo0rECew - appear to be sincere official air force personnel. Airliners have (allegedly) encountered ball lightning several occasions. (Google - ball lightning airliners) This could be mass delusion, but I need more persuasive data before dismissing it as fake. -- Lou Pagnucco Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to David L Babcock's message of Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:32:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE [snip] The movie is fake. There is one frame where the beam end in space rather than on the missile. Beams don't do that. They keep on going until they hit something. It's reminiscent of the movie technology of the early startrek movies, where they beam was also occasionally misaligned. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Robin, I was of the opinion that the video shown was not the actual one taken, but instead a replication. The original was supposed to have been taken away by the officers. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 5:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Wed, 4 Sep 2013 01:22:57 -0400 (EDT): Hi Lou, [snip] It's the very first beam you actually see, at 1:16 into the video quoted in my email (which is an extract from the Larry King video), or 3:43 into the Larry King video. It crosses over the capsule, but ends in space, then shifts around to intercept it. After that, it moves around and takes another shot. If you watch the beam you will also see that it has a fixed length. On thinking more about this however it occurs to me that particles beams in the atmosphere do have a limited length as they are eventually stopped by air. They are also visible because of the interaction with air. I had originally assumed that the whole scene played out in space, however that may not be the case. It could have been in the upper atmosphere, in which case I would have to withdraw my comment about it being fake. Robin, I watched the movie again. I cannot see the evidence that you do. The missile is 600 miles away moving at 8000 mph, surrounded by much anti-radar chaff, and did indeed malfunction after the UFO event. Several of the people on that Larry King Show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Plzo0rECew - appear to be sincere official air force personnel. Airliners have (allegedly) encountered ball lightning several occasions. (Google - ball lightning airliners) This could be mass delusion, but I need more persuasive data before dismissing it as fake. -- Lou Pagnucco Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to David L Babcock's message of Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:32:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE [snip] The movie is fake. There is one frame where the beam end in space rather than on the missile. Beams don't do that. They keep on going until they hit something. It's reminiscent of the movie technology of the early startrek movies, where they beam was also occasionally misaligned. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/93JD01021/abstract The maser-caviton ball lightning theory is briefly described, is compared with the available observations of ball lightning, and is further developed on the basis of the rate equations governing the evolution of the photon number in a single-mode maser. The focus of this paper is on the explosive growth of the photon number at the premature demise of a large atmospheric maser. Ball lightning is a localized high-field soliton forming a cavity surrounded by plasma in this theory.
RE: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Interesting theory. Trying to track down other open source papers by the authors leads to a labyrinth of similar and different theories. Given how befuddled main stream physics is trying to explain a macroscopic phenomenon like this, it is understandable that LENR is such a conundrum. I did find an Air Force document (AFRL-PR-ED-TR-2002-0039) - Ball Lightning Study http://www.foia.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-091008-049.pdf - that discusses the maser-soliton theory (document page# 22). It may be worth noting that ball lightning has confounded science a lot longer than LENR has. A bit depressing. -- Lou Pagnucco Jones Beene wrote: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/93JD01021/abstract The maser-caviton ball lightning theory is briefly described, is compared with the available observations of ball lightning, and is further developed on the basis of the rate equations governing the evolution of the photon number in a single-mode maser. The focus of this paper is on the explosive growth of the photon number at the premature demise of a large atmospheric maser. Ball lightning is a localized high-field soliton forming a cavity surrounded by plasma in this theory.
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
In reply to David L Babcock's message of Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:32:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE [snip] The movie is fake. There is one frame where the beam end in space rather than on the missile. Beams don't do that. They keep on going until they hit something. It's reminiscent of the movie technology of the early startrek movies, where they beam was also occasionally misaligned. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Robin, I watched the movie again. I cannot see the evidence that you do. The missile is 600 miles away moving at 8000 mph, surrounded by much anti-radar chaff, and did indeed malfunction after the UFO event. Several of the people on that Larry King Show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Plzo0rECew - appear to be sincere official air force personnel. Airliners have (allegedly) encountered ball lightning several occasions. (Google - ball lightning airliners) This could be mass delusion, but I need more persuasive data before dismissing it as fake. -- Lou Pagnucco Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to David L Babcock's message of Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:32:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE [snip] The movie is fake. There is one frame where the beam end in space rather than on the missile. Beams don't do that. They keep on going until they hit something. It's reminiscent of the movie technology of the early startrek movies, where they beam was also occasionally misaligned. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
I think , despite some details, LENr and ball Lighning are very different. BL started from laymen observation, in uncontroled environment. My dad talk me about that, and for him is was known fact, linked to lignting on wet organic structures (wood, roofs). He have indirect witnessing of people who were victim of it, wre tracked by it, or escaped by not moving (it was clear for him that it was real, following wires and pipes, attracted by moving and wind)... I was prudent about his claims, and I am always about non mainstream claims. I did not know it was fringe science, since for me, in the 1950s it was simply ununderstood phenomena, like Branly's coherer, Bermuda triangle, Zone 51, like before Germanium conduction (PN!) anomalies, germs, genetics, ... Cold Fusion/LENR is very different. It is a lab experiment, replicated, validated, whose many faced have been observed through many instruments. The only commonality is the collective denial. For BL it seems easy to understand since the only evidence are non scientists, or at least hard to call... no machine could attract ball lightning... for LENR is is very different. It is clearly a political effect launched by few influential people, and maintained by terror against dissenters, and by easy minds enough incompetent not to see the arguments (like the 3 miracles) were void (in lattice- every MSc in microelectronics can judge it). 2013/8/27 pagnu...@htdconnect.com It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 13–32 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
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Off-topic I guess, but I still want to tell ; P I once saw a permanent arcing between clouds. I was out in a rowing boat on a lake in the mountains. Evening time, quite a few clouds, but also clear sky in between. Between two adjacent clouds there was a permanent arc going on. Permanent in the sense that it was going on for the time the gap wasn't occluded by some other clouds, so it was something like 30 seconds. No sound eminating from the arc, that I could discern. Weird and nice at the same time :) .s
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Alain, Yes. They may (or not) be different phenomena, but I think the fact that both are rejected and marginalized is important. It illustrates how important it is to not to challenge The Establishment - in science, as well as politics. BL is still fringe science despite many credible observations. -- Lou Pagnucco Alain Sepeda wrote: I think , despite some details, LENr and ball Lighning are very different. [...]
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Decaying dark energy, originating from our Sun, all curled up in a ball in those extra dimensions of space. On Tuesday, August 27, 2013, wrote: It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Basehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 13–32 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
It was twilight, among towering clouds, high over some mid state when I saw a bright signal flare sweep up to about the plane's altitude from clouds below, and fall back. Then a second, from a different location. No lightning. Paths and velocities very projectile-ish, not rockets. But considering the altitude, definitely not signal flares. Unless they were tracer artillery shells. Wildly unlikely, but so -they say!- is ball lightning. As for those links, #3 conveniently ignores all the recorded cases of BL going through walls and windows. #2 has NOTHING to do with the subject, and #1 obviously is a hyper-skeptic jumping through haystacks to find an excuse not to address the facts. Marsh gas, anyone? Say, doesn't our host Bill keep an extensive collection of BL sightings? Ol' Bab On 8/27/2013 2:25 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 13–32 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR
Look up ball lightning (with quotes) in the Google custom search box at LENR-CANR.org and you will see that several people have speculated about this. Especially E. Lewis, as noted: Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 13–32 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf I just added this to the index: Lewis, E., *More Evidence of Microscopic Ball Lightning (Plasmoids) in CF Devices.* J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci., 2012. *7*. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPjcondensedf.pdf#page=13 - Jed
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David L Babcock wrote: It was twilight, among towering clouds, high over some mid state when I saw a bright signal flare sweep up to about the plane's altitude from clouds below, and fall back. Then a second, from a different location. No lightning. Paths and velocities very projectile-ish, not rockets. But considering the altitude, definitely not signal flares. Unless they were tracer artillery shells. Wildly unlikely, but so -they say!- is ball lightning. My posting was prompted by a discussion I had with someone (who I don't think ever heard about BL) who saw a similar event, below cloud level, several days ago. He sounded quite sincere, as well as puzzled. As for those links, #3 conveniently ignores all the recorded cases of BL going through walls and windows. #2 has NOTHING to do with the subject, and #1 obviously is a hyper-skeptic jumping through haystacks to find an excuse not to address the facts. Marsh gas, anyone? I agree with the comment on #1. As far as #2 - it sure looks like a BL-plasmoid with a net charge opposite to the missle. Notice how it tracks and arcs toward the missle. My apologies if it really is a UFO. Mirages and illusions are improbable explanations also. Yes - BL does seem to go through some non-conductive surfaces. I'm not sure the authors of #3 would dispute that. Say, doesn't our host Bill keep an extensive collection of BL sightings? I hope so. Too bad difficult to explain phenomena are quickly dismissed. Ol' Bab On 8/27/2013 2:25 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: It's interesting to note that the still unexplained and controversial phenomenon of ball lightning is derided as mass delusion, e.g., -- Is Ball Lightning Just a Shared Hallucination? http://www.universetoday.com/64560/is-ball-lightning-just-a-shared-hallucination/ - despite that probable ball lightning has also deluded video cams, e.g., UFO Shoots Missile with beams - Vandenberg Air Force Base http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO4FhJ3mjrE Challenging established orthodoxy endangers reputation, career, income, ... This recent (open source) paper -- Interrelation between ball lightning and optically induced forces http://iopscience.iop.org/1402-4896/88/3/035402 -- begins with the observation - The phenomenon of ball lightning (BL) remains unresolved up to the present moment. No satisfactory explanation of enigmatic natural phenomena (observed and examined by scientists for many centuries) has been found up to now. More than 200 different BL theories are known, and their systematization and classification have been carried out. However, neither of them can even approximately explain the enigmatic and intriguing behavior of BLs, which to a certain degree reminds one of the behavior of some highly organized matter. Physicists cannot imagine an object, submitting to conventional physical laws, whose properties coincide with BL properties. This is something perfectly new. It seems that the same laws of social psychology are operating to discourage investigations of BL and LENR. BTW, the following paper -- Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 1332 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf - speculates that micro-BL might explain the topography of pock-marked, streaked, ..., metal surfaces seen in LENR. Any opinions on the reality of ball lightning? -- Lou Pagnucco
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Aviation Week had an article about compact toroids they also called photon torpedos apparently they're stable and can be used as directed energy weapons. The device discharges large capacitor banks along a small aluminum tube which creates a stable plasma toroid. Maybe it's gone black. Aviation Week and Space Technology, November 3, 1997, v. 147, p. 29. Includes photos of the apparatus. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US -Original Message- From: David L Babcock [mailto:ol...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:33 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Parallels between Ball Lightning and LENR It was twilight, among towering clouds, high over some mid state when I saw a bright signal flare sweep up to about the plane's altitude from clouds below, and fall back. Then a second, from a different location. No lightning. Paths and velocities very projectile-ish, not rockets. But considering the altitude, definitely not signal flares. Unless they were tracer artillery shells. Wildly unlikely, but so -they say!- is ball lightning.
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Thanks. I just downloaded it. I also Googled it (or, should I say NSAed it?) and noticed that it is not referenced. Too bad, it would be nice to know what practitioners think. Jed Rothwell wrote: Look up ball lightning (with quotes) in the Google custom search box at LENR-CANR.org and you will see that several people have speculated about this. Especially E. Lewis, as noted: Tracks of Ball Lightning in Apparatus? J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci. 2 (2009) 1332 http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtracksofba.pdf I just added this to the index: Lewis, E., *More Evidence of Microscopic Ball Lightning (Plasmoids) in CF Devices.* J. Condensed Matter Nucl. Sci., 2012. *7*. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPjcondensedf.pdf#page=13 - Jed
