Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Rossi has stated that the testers brought their own cables. A poster here asserts that they were Rossi's cables. As usual, this issue is not addressed by the paper. If I were concerned with my scientific integrity, I would collect together all such comments and re-issue that paper. But if I were a veterinarian, like one of the authors, it wouldn't be a big concern, because I could still make dogs' health better. Andrew
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Andrew wrote: Rossi has stated that the testers brought their own cables. A poster here asserts that they were Rossi's cables. As usual, this issue is not addressed by the paper. Cables? Do you mean electric wires? That brings up a good point. With a clamp on ammeter there has to be set of wires separated. You cannot put the clamp around the entire circuit. The ammeters I have seen come with a breakout box or a set of wires, like a short extension cord. I suppose they brought this, rather than cutting apart Rossi's wire. (That's a really dumb thing to do.) So I guess there is nothing special about the wire from the wall socket to the power supply. Rossi is not using a gold or silver wire, instead of copper. For what it's worth. If I were concerned with my scientific integrity, I would collect together all such comments and re-issue that paper. I think they should ignore speculation about infrared lasers and the like. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Which author is a vet? I didn't find any such thing ... [mg] On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: Rossi has stated that the testers brought their own cables. A poster here asserts that they were Rossi's cables. As usual, this issue is not addressed by the paper. If I were concerned with my scientific integrity, I would collect together all such comments and re-issue that paper. But if I were a veterinarian, like one of the authors, it wouldn't be a big concern, because I could still make dogs' health better. Andrew
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: If I were concerned with my scientific integrity, I would collect together all such comments and re-issue that paper. But if I were a veterinarian, like one of the authors, it wouldn't be a big concern, because I could still make dogs' health better. Which author is the veterinarian? Here are the details I've been able to find: - Giuseppe Levi, researcher, nuclear and subnuclear physics, University of Bologna, http://www.unibo.it/SitoWebDocente/default.htm?UPN=giuseppe.levi%40unibo.it - Evelyn Foschi -- not sure; possibly this: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/evelyn-foschi/5/7b8/645 - Torbjörn Hartman, senior research engineer at Svedberg Laboratory, Uppsala University, http://katalog.uu.se/empInfo/?languageId=1id=N96-5170 - Bo Höistad, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Nuclear Physics, Uppsala University, http://katalog.uu.se/empInfo/?languageId=1id=XX1060 - Roland Pettersson, senior lecturer, Department of Chemistry, http://katalog.uu.se/empInfo/?id=XX1360 - Lars Tegnér, professor of engineering, Uppsala University, http://katalog.uu.se/empInfo/?languageId=1id=N9-1431 - Hanno Essén, associate professor of theoretical physics, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanno_Ess%C3%A9n Perhaps you have in mind Foschi? What is your source? Eric
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Which author is the veterinarian? Here are the details I've been able to find: * Evelyn Foschi -- not sure; possibly this: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/evelyn-foschi/5/7b8/645 Associated with http://www.ceixray.com/ They MAKE X-RAY EQUIPMENT, which can be used for (their site typing out a caption) Orthodonty Veterinarians === Industrial Control Quality Control Alimentary (Digestion, I presume)
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Serves me right for copying verbatim from an article without checking. Apologies. Obviously it was a half-baked hatchet job in that article. I can't locate it for now, but I definitely read it, and yes it was Foschi. Andrew - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?] Which author is the veterinarian? Here are the details I've been able to find: * Evelyn Foschi -- not sure; possibly this: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/evelyn-foschi/5/7b8/645 Associated with http://www.ceixray.com/ They MAKE X-RAY EQUIPMENT, which can be used for (their site typing out a caption) Orthodonty Veterinarians === Industrial Control Quality Control Alimentary (Digestion, I presume)
RE: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Vorts, Serves me right for copying verbatim from an article without checking. Yes, as a general warning to all, I've seen this numerous times in just 4 days, where someone states something that is picked up and repeated. I've seen this happen not only in the comment section of various websites discussing the issue, but also here of all places. E.g., the statement that how could you melt the ceramic with a much higher melting point and not the steel cylinder, or that both the ceramic and the steel melted... Both of these are wrong. That was NEVER stated in the report. It only names the steel cylinder containing the Ni fuel as having melted, NOT the two outer ceramic cylinders, so be careful of restating something unless verified by reading the original report. And if you're taking the time to participate in some of the comment sections of websites, watch out for these erroneous 'requotes', and correct them; they are almost a sure indication that the person has NOT read the original report; they are just parroting what they've read elsewhere. -Mark Iverson -Original Message- From: Andrew [mailto:andrew...@att.net] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?] Serves me right for copying verbatim from an article without checking. Apologies. Obviously it was a half-baked hatchet job in that article. I can't locate it for now, but I definitely read it, and yes it was Foschi. Andrew - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?] Which author is the veterinarian? Here are the details I've been able to find: * Evelyn Foschi -- not sure; possibly this: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/evelyn-foschi/5/7b8/645 Associated with http://www.ceixray.com/ They MAKE X-RAY EQUIPMENT, which can be used for (their site typing out a caption) Orthodonty Veterinarians === Industrial Control Quality Control Alimentary (Digestion, I presume)
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Which author is a vet? I didn't find any such thing ... Maybe this guy? Hartman: http://katalog.uu.se/empInfo?id=N96-5170 Personal merits Dr.Med.vet., civ.ing. I guess that means Veterinarian Medicine and Civil Engineering. But maybe it means something different in Swedish. - Jed
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It does mean vet. Here's a random person from LinkedIn Cornelia Wagner, Dr. med. vet. Veterinarian, Certified Veterinary Acupucturist at Hawthorne Veterinary Clinic She's German also, like Hartman. So yes, Hartman's a vet. Perhaps because he's vetting. Woof woof. Andrew - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?] Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Which author is a vet? I didn't find any such thing ... Maybe this guy? Hartman: http://katalog.uu.se/empInfo?id=N96-5170 Personal merits Dr.Med.vet., civ.ing. I guess that means Veterinarian Medicine and Civil Engineering. But maybe it means something different in Swedish. - Jed
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MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: E.g., the statement that how could you melt the ceramic with a much higher melting point and not the steel cylinder, or that both the ceramic and the steel melted... Both of these are wrong. That was NEVER stated in the report. Yes, it was. Figs. 1-2 caption: The performance of this device was such that the reactor was destroyed, melting the internal steel cylinder and the surrounding ceramic layers. . . . they are almost a sure indication that the person has NOT read the original report; they are just parroting what they've read elsewhere. I said that first here, and I read the report carefully, several times. Also, it helps to do a Ctrl-s search for ceramic (which I just did, to find it again). I will grant, I often mis-remember things. That's why God gave up Google. - Jed
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Why God gave *us* Google. Quoting the elderly British woman circa 1955, If God had meant us to fly, he would never have given us the railways. My sentiments exactly. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
I for one am going to drop this esteemed science team meme. There's another one with a nuclear physics qualification who has several patents on coffee machine design. This does not indicate to me that we are dealing here with the cream of the crop. Andrew - Original Message - From: Andrew andrew...@att.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?] It does mean vet. Here's a random person from LinkedIn Cornelia Wagner, Dr. med. vet. Veterinarian, Certified Veterinary Acupucturist at Hawthorne Veterinary Clinic She's German also, like Hartman. So yes, Hartman's a vet. Perhaps because he's vetting. Woof woof. Andrew - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?] Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Which author is a vet? I didn't find any such thing ... Maybe this guy? Hartman: http://katalog.uu.se/empInfo?id=N96-5170 Personal merits Dr.Med.vet., civ.ing. I guess that means Veterinarian Medicine and Civil Engineering. But maybe it means something different in Swedish. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Oh Lord, we are all sinners :) - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?] MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: E.g., the statement that how could you melt the ceramic with a much higher melting point and not the steel cylinder, or that both the ceramic and the steel melted... Both of these are wrong. That was NEVER stated in the report. Yes, it was. Figs. 1-2 caption: The performance of this device was such that the reactor was destroyed, melting the internal steel cylinder and the surrounding ceramic layers. . . . they are almost a sure indication that the person has NOT read the original report; they are just parroting what they've read elsewhere. I said that first here, and I read the report carefully, several times. Also, it helps to do a Ctrl-s search for ceramic (which I just did, to find it again). I will grant, I often mis-remember things. That's why God gave up Google. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Secret wiring hypothesis [second copy?]
Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: ** I for one am going to drop this esteemed science team meme. So, you think the Swedish power company consortium sent amateurs? You think Uppsala U. and the Royal Institute of Technology are two-year colleges? There's another one with a nuclear physics qualification who has several patents on *coffee machine design*. This does not indicate to me that we are dealing here with the cream of the crop. How would you know? I'll bet there is ton of money in a good coffee machine. Einstein and Szilard patented a refrigerator. The Svedberg Laboratory does medical research. It makes sense they have a guy with degrees in vet. medicine and civil engineering. - Jed
