Re: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Sounds like you are envisioning Dirac's sea as like 3-space in an inverted or reciprocal way. Perhaps as a strange kind of parallel universe? I think you almost have to see it this way if PAMD's equations are to be accepted without Feynman's hand waving (for which he won his Nobel.) :-) The inverted universe . . . iniverse?
RE: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
Is it too naïve of me to suggest that we can derive some insight from extreme relativistic considerations where for example the paradox twin attains 99% of C? the twins are existing in two different inertial frames 90 degrees displaced from each other yet both still perceive themselves in normal 3space.. the temporal dilations and contractions we perceive between inertial frames in extreme must be indicative of the interface between our “perceived” 3 spaces and this other dimensional sea of Dirac using any vocabulary you like for the inhabitants, epos, virtual particles, ether or even river of time. The Pythagorean relationship between V^2 and C^2 in SR also suggests much ambiguity and relative measure when using terms like zero K because the local observer is unaware of changes in time or temperature and if temperature is based on motion [dx/dt] then at C all spatial displacement ceases and only temporal displacement remains from the perspective of the stationary observer. I guess my point is that if the twin frames are 90 degrees displaced from each other then 1 of the twins must be traveling parallel to the direction of this Dirac sea instead of perpendicular. IMHO Lorentzian ether, the appearance and annihilation of virtual particles and even epos are all valid perspectives for what the ancients called the river of time and SR serves to formulate the rate of intersection between these dimensions. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:40 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2 -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton If the Dirac sea exists in another physical dimension at near zero K, as assumed, and is also a BEC in itself, according to Don Hotson, then it might be possible to collect liquid Ps2 directly for use as... hmmm... rocket fuel? Come on Jonesie, it's more complicated than being at or near AbZ. Negative energy means that there are negative temperatures and reactions which generate heat in our world create negative energy in the bizarro world. It would be a world of symmetry with high energy negative temperature reactions. Stars would have coronas of -10,000 degrees. or not. Terry, Sounds like you are envisioning Dirac's sea as like 3-space in an inverted or reciprocal way. Perhaps as a strange kind of parallel universe? Maybe. I envision it as much simpler and boring so to speak - a near-infinite array of strings or tubes, with every point in our 3-space having a corresponding string of Dirac space. The string appears to be nearly 1D from our perspective, having length from its own perspective but no other tube is “there” than the one of the observer, so it can be called a fractal of one-space. This is different from Hotson and some other conceptions – and there are different hypertubes, sometimes called a Dirac tube or the Bhabha tube. At this point in time, there are more questions than answers.
Re: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
Another way to get time dilation is through density. Packing lots of matter into a confined space will serve just as well as applying extreme speed. Slowing down a particle through extreme confinement will force that particle into getting where it wants to go through tunneling. When that particle is tunneling, what is its state in space/time? Is it still in this universe? On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Is it too naïve of me to suggest that we can derive some insight from extreme relativistic considerations where for example the paradox twin attains 99% of C? the twins are existing in two different inertial frames 90 degrees displaced from each other yet both still perceive themselves in normal 3space.. the temporal dilations and contractions we perceive between inertial frames in extreme must be indicative of the interface between our “perceived” 3 spaces and this other dimensional sea of Dirac using any vocabulary you like for the inhabitants, epos, virtual particles, ether or even river of time. The Pythagorean relationship between V^2 and C^2 in SR also suggests much ambiguity and relative measure when using terms like zero K because the local observer is unaware of changes in time or temperature and if temperature is based on motion [dx/dt] then at C all spatial displacement ceases and only temporal displacement remains from the perspective of the stationary observer. I guess my point is that if the twin frames are 90 degrees displaced from each other then 1 of the twins must be traveling parallel to the direction of this Dirac sea instead of perpendicular. IMHO Lorentzian ether, the appearance and annihilation of virtual particles and even epos are all valid perspectives for what the ancients called the river of time and SR serves to formulate the rate of intersection between these dimensions. Fran _ *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net jone...@pacbell.net] *Sent:* Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:40 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2 -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton If the Dirac sea exists in another physical dimension at near zero K, as assumed, and is also a BEC in itself, according to Don Hotson, then it might be possible to collect liquid Ps2 directly for use as... hmmm... rocket fuel? Come on Jonesie, it's more complicated than being at or near AbZ. Negative energy means that there are negative temperatures and reactions which generate heat in our world create negative energy in the bizarro world. It would be a world of symmetry with high energy negative temperature reactions. Stars would have coronas of -10,000 degrees. or not. Terry, Sounds like you are envisioning Dirac's sea as like 3-space in an inverted or reciprocal way. Perhaps as a strange kind of parallel universe? Maybe. I envision it as much simpler and boring so to speak - a near-infinite array of strings or tubes, with every point in our 3-space having a corresponding string of Dirac space. The string appears to be nearly 1D from our perspective, having length from its own perspective but no other tube is “there” than the one of the observer, so it can be called a fractal of one-space. This is different from Hotson and some other conceptions – and there are different hypertubes, sometimes called a Dirac tube or the Bhabha tube. At this point in time, there are more questions than answers.
RE: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
For those who thought the following explanation from an previous post (positronium reacting with deuterium) - for the proper understanding of the recent Mizuno experiment (aka deuterium fission from the MIT colloquium) was a bit over the top... a partial level of confirmation has in fact been found in the literature. ... for the record (you heard it first on vortex)... here is a slightly revised accounting of the hypothetical QED reaction in the recent Mizuno experiment. D2 + Ps2 - 2H2 which is to say that one deuterium molecule interacts with one positronium molecule, such that the two positrons and two neutrons (of D2) fuse to protons, resulting eventually in 2 hydrogen molecules... actually 4 protons, 4 electrons and two electron antineutrinos. The reaction will have a modest gain, which explains the 100+ megajoules which Mizuno saw over 30 days, but which produces NO significant gamma radiation. In short, it is a novel new form of nuclear fusion, which looks like deuterium fission in the end - two hydrogen molecules in place of every starting deuterium molecule. Of course the simple version of atomic D + Ps is not ruled out, other than its lower probability of requiring monatomic deuterium as the starting point, as well as the presumed higher stability of the Ps2 species. The Ps2 is presumed to have tunneled from the Ni-62 matrix, which is the gateway or wormhole to Dirac's sea. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg93827.html The coldest nucleus in nature as a gateway OK. Here is a paper by Khankhasayev and Scarlett presenting an analysis of the positron capture reaction by a neutron. This is the critical reaction for the above scenario. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1305/1305.6642.pdf ... and which is of particular interest, outside of the Mizuno possibility, because it is another form of a beta reaction, and also because it is the time inverse of the known and proved reaction of the capture of a neutrino by a proton, which converts it to neutron. They do not say much as to the probability, but at least it appears feasible. In short - this Mizuno discovery could involved a novel new form of nuclear fusion, which looks like deuterium fission in the end - two hydrogen molecules in place of every starting deuterium molecule, and it may not be as far out on the fringe as it seemed to be (yesterday). Which is not to say that it has been vetted thoroughly, but only that the basic operating premise seems valid, whereas before this was considered - there was almost no other possibility of explaining the Mizuno results. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
Axil, I agree, said simply this is equivalence, if the paradox twin could somehow come to rest at an event horizon or to a lesser extent land on a dead star his equivalent acceleration would provide dilation equivalent to actual spatial displacement – the ether accelerating thru the object vs the object thru the ether. Using gravity is one way to provide “confinement” relative to density but IMHO there is a far more interesting possibility at hand in LENR by the geometry of metal lattices and defects .. the possibility of breaching the isotropy to disallow longer vacuum wavelengths / virtual particles to exist in between conductive boundaries. The Haisch Rueda analogy of a rainstorm and a stationary car vs a car travelling very quickly down a highway focuses on the number of raindrops per second hitting the windshield for these 2 conditions. The analogy supports the Pythagorean concepts of SR WRT Velocity and C but it is a very work intensive method of providing dilation that would never lend itself to breaching COE. My point is that this is a negative form of your confinement that is provided by geometry instead of requiring work to accelerate an object. Instead of “confining” or compressing stationary matter with a deep gravity well to make it orbit faster at the atomic level and intersect with more “raindrops” per unit time this method reduces the number of raindrops! The Casimir geometry prevents the bigger virtual particles [raindrops] so the hydrogen atoms see fewer raindrops /unit time than a stationary macro object would perceive as part of the isotropy. A gravity hill /warp as opposed to a well. I suspect the tapestry of different geometries actually shatters the isotropy as opposed to just breaking it once [Casimir Effect vs DCE] and that this opposition between the isotropy and DCE is why gas motion and Casimir geometry go hand in hand with these anomalies. Fran
Re: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If the Dirac sea exists in another physical dimension at near zero K, as assumed, and is also a BEC in itself, according to Don Hotson, then it might be possible to collect liquid Ps2 directly for use as... hmmm... rocket fuel? Come on Jonesie, it's more complicated than being at or near AbZ. Negative energy means that there are negative temperatures and reactions which generate heat in our world create negative energy in the bizarro world. It would be a world of symmetry with high energy negative temperature reactions. Stars would have coronas of -10,000 degrees. or not.
Re: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This molecule would be uncharged and have two positrons and two electrons and be similar to H2 in that way - but notably, would be bosonic in its own unique way (double Cooper pairs?) and presumably more stable than Ps. D2 + Ps2 - 2H2 which is to say that one deuterium molecule interacts with one positronium molecule resulting eventually in 2 hydrogen molecules... actually 4 protons and 4 electrons which carry away a modest gain which would not produce gamma radiation. The Ps2 tunnels in from the Ni-62 matrix, which is the gateway to Dirac. This sounds very similar to KP Sinha's Lochon (locally charged Boson) theory. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg37765.html
Re: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
The vacuum is a spin net liquid where virtual particles are created and destroyed in rapid fashion where their spins are random existing without order. When a process imposes order on these virtual particles, the vacuum becomes a factor and gains strength. For example, magnetic field lines increase the order of the spin of the virtual particles in the vacuum which results in a modification of the decay rates of radioactive isotopes. This is a LENR process. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Interesting digging... make that tunneling for novel particles which could be involved in LENR due to transfer or coupling from Dirac's sea into 3-space. Besides positronium itself and electronium (as a hypothetical particle) - there is molecular positronium, which may not be hypothetical. Cassidy, Greaves, et al Experiments with a High-Density Positronium Gas, Phys. Rev. Lett.95, 195006, 2005. This paper mentions that they could have isolated a molecular version positronium which would be Ps2. This molecule would be uncharged and have two positrons and two electrons and be similar to H2 in that way - but notably, would be bosonic in its own unique way (double Cooper pairs?) and presumably more stable than Ps. If the Dirac sea exists in another physical dimension at near zero K, as assumed, and is also a BEC in itself, according to Don Hotson, then it might be possible to collect liquid Ps2 directly for use as... hmmm... rocket fuel? Turns out, part of this idea was already conceived by someone else 20 years ago: Platzman and Mills Possibilities for Bose Condensation of Positronium, Phys. Rev. B 49, 454, 1994. Nothing new under the sun ... ... unless that is, there is a previously unknown connection of all of this to LENR... and for the record (you heard it first on vortex)... here is a fringe-of-the-fringe accounting for the recent Mizuno experiment. D2 + Ps2 - 2H2 which is to say that one deuterium molecule interacts with one positronium molecule resulting eventually in 2 hydrogen molecules... actually 4 protons and 4 electrons which carry away a modest gain which would not produce gamma radiation. The Ps2 tunnels in from the Ni-62 matrix, which is the gateway to Dirac. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg93827.html The coldest nucleus in nature as a gateway
RE: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton If the Dirac sea exists in another physical dimension at near zero K, as assumed, and is also a BEC in itself, according to Don Hotson, then it might be possible to collect liquid Ps2 directly for use as... hmmm... rocket fuel? Come on Jonesie, it's more complicated than being at or near AbZ. Negative energy means that there are negative temperatures and reactions which generate heat in our world create negative energy in the bizarro world. It would be a world of symmetry with high energy negative temperature reactions. Stars would have coronas of -10,000 degrees. or not. Terry, Sounds like you are envisioning Dirac's sea as like 3-space in an inverted or reciprocal way. Perhaps as a strange kind of parallel universe? Maybe. I envision it as much simpler and boring so to speak - a near-infinite array of strings or tubes, with every point in our 3-space having a corresponding string of Dirac space. The string appears to be nearly 1D from our perspective, having length from its own perspective but no other tube is “there” than the one of the observer, so it can be called a fractal of one-space. This is different from Hotson and some other conceptions – and there are different hypertubes, sometimes called a Dirac tube or the Bhabha tube. At this point in time, there are more questions than answers. attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:positronium BEC from molecular Ps2
Kevin, Yes, but there is no deuterium fusion for the Lochon to catalyze (at least not in the recent Mizuno work). In fact, the reaction looks more like fission of deuterons into twice as much hydrogen, which should be endothermic. The positronium molecule, as a reactant, would provide enough mass-energy to make the fission of deuterium to hydrogen slightly exothermic. From: Kevin O'Malley This molecule would be uncharged and have two positrons and two electrons and be similar to H2 in that way - but notably, would be bosonic in its own unique way (double Cooper pairs?) and presumably more stable than Ps. D2 + Ps2 - 2H2 which is to say that one deuterium molecule interacts with one positronium molecule resulting eventually in 2 hydrogen molecules... actually 4 protons and 4 electrons which carry away a modest gain which would not produce gamma radiation. The Ps2 tunnels in from the Ni-62 matrix, which is the gateway to Dirac. This sounds very similar to KP Sinha's Lochon (locally charged Boson) theory. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg37765.html
