Re: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[Jones Beene]

Ron Kita wrote:
> Electrets my specialty. 

Hey Ron, 

Let me throw this idea out for you. Have you considered the implications of 
dense hydrogen as it might apply to being integrated into the structure of an 
electret ? 

IOW - if and when someone invents the process to make dense hydrogen very 
cheaply (and why not?) then imagine this species being impregnated into say a 
polymer film in such a way that many of the electrons presented in a far more 
compact state than normal and yet stable,,, such a material would most likely 
make a very special electret. This assumes (using theory via either Mills or 
Holmlid et al) the charge properties of the dense state are modified or 
enhanced by inverse square and so on 

- well, such am electret film should have amazing electrical and magnetic 
properties. This idea may have been tossed around before ...?

Re: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[Ron Kita]

Electrets my specialty. I was a friend of the late Boyd Bushman ,
dec...ex-Senior Scientist at LockMart DFW. His
Energy Source patent was an electret. I used to phone Boyd until he moved
to Arizona...where he died a few years
later. I asked Boyd did you ever weigh your electrets...his reply..NO! and
we laughed.  Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex, Doylestown PA
http://www.chiralex.com


On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 8:32 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

> *From: *Vibrator ! 
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> JG = James Glimm?  Sorry lost me there..
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Goodenough
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> looks like it will be his birthday next week.  Think about that – 98 and
> still on the cutting edge of battery technology.
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> Maybe another big prize … who knows?.
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RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[Vibrator !]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Goodenough

Doh!  Miles away..  (besides, could've had Josiah Gibbs)..

RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[JonesBeene]

From: Vibrator !

JG = James Glimm?  Sorry lost me there.. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Goodenough

looks like it will be his birthday next week.  Think about that – 98 and still 
on the cutting edge of battery technology.

Maybe another big prize … who knows?.

RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[Vibrator !]

'Electret' - that was the word - but yep, something a bit different here..
 albeit still amenable to calorimetry i should think.

"Quote: A subthreshold swing is demonstrated below the thermal limit in an
electrochemical cell that mimics a gate-to-channel circuit cell in a FeFET,
surpassing the limit imposed by dissipation energy, often designated as
“Boltzmann tyranny.”"

..implying that the energy distribution of the source electrons is somewhat
passive, lacking the high-energy tail / hot electron leakage limiting FET
efficiency, ie. more circumvention than violation..

JG = James Glimm?  Sorry lost me there..

Re: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[Terry Blanton]

Personally, I don't think it's good enough.

Really, I think it's a long way from producibility.

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RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

If the charge is drained off does the system  recharge?  I could mot see that 
clearly stated.  It seemed as if there was a swapping of potential energy 
between two phases of the system.

The entropy of the two phases would have the same minimum value in their 
respective charged phases, if the 2nd Law of TH held.

To make up any lost potential energy in the phase changes, the system may have 
gained energy from the earth’s magnetic field during realignment of magnetic 
dipoles that change direction during the phase change,  releasing electrons to 
change their quasi-stable locations in the system’s respective  materials.

As Vibrator notes, there must be a undefined source of energy—maybe ZPE or the 
Earth’s magnetic field.

Bob Cook




From: Frank Znidarsic
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.5132841

RE: [Vo]:what do you think of Goodenouh's self charging batterY?

[JonesBeene]

Ah … another almost useless violation - it appears… but maybe not completely 
useless.

There does appear to be a nominal violation – somewhat reminiscent of  an 
electret. I’m surprised they do not go there. 

Because the self-cycling takes place at extremely low frequencies and does not 
produce any effect when discharges are fast, as would be needed in a working 
capacitor or transistor - the actual applications for it seem to be small – 
other than there is the implication of very high efficiency - but not a real 
demonstration of it.

There could be a useful temperature drop with the self-oscillation as well, 
which may explain the net energy balance.

Quote: A subthreshold swing is demonstrated below the thermal limit in an 
electrochemical cell that mimics a gate-to-channel circuit cell in a FeFET, 
surpassing the limit imposed by dissipation energy,
often designated as “Boltzmann tyranny.”

Poor Boltzmann … he gets no respect …

Amazing that JG is approaching 100 years. In fact he is the anomaly if there is 
one.


From: Vibrator !

If self-oscillation is phonon-driven - and also forms the source gradient - 
then it's an effective 2LoT violation.

Doesn't rule out an EM / ZPE source of course, but Occam would suggest that's 
redundant..

So, unlike Steorn's ferro-electric caps or whatever it was they were doing 
(foggy now)..