RE: WSCI: Just how ab initio is ab initio quantum chemistry?

2004-07-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michael Foster writes:
 This is a trend in the sciences in general, but I find it particularly
 annoying in chemistry.  You have a trend toward computerizing
 everything.  Hence, you get chemistry without chemicals, botany
 without flowers . . .
Yes, this is deplorable.
 Yes, no doubt this fine fellow is a little concerned with how ab initio
 things are in his little world.  First, he tells us how quantum mechanics
 is the most successful theory in the history of science, a statement I
 would argue with.  Then we are treated to his bleatings as how it
 doesn't really work, sort of.
I do not understand the technical details, but my sense is that he is 
trying to pull the theory down a few notches, but as an insider he has to 
watch his words. It reminds me of when Dyson tried to introduce Feynman's 
theories to Oppenheimer, who was very upset, and kept heckling him 
unpleasantly. Dyson had to portray this as nothing really new, just another 
expression of the conventional.

By mainstream standards, this essay was breath of fresh air. It is nice to 
see someone admit theory has its limits, and that electron shells may be a 
mere convenience, without any actual physical reality. (They may be real 
after all, but the point is, shells along with many other theoretical 
constructs are justified mainly because they are convenient. And why not?)

 The failure of ab initio quantum chemistry to predict such diverse and
 important things as the effects of catalysts, the behavior of rare earth
 elements, the existence and behavior of electrides, the quantum yield of
 dye chromophores and so on really calls into question the whole damn
 field.
I did not realize it had so many deficiencies. However, none of this is a 
problem if only theory is considered a useful tool, and not an end in 
itself or a quasi-religion. It is clear why people want ab initio theories, 
and unifying theories. They are compact, and useful even when they do not 
quite work right. As long as you know where the limitations and gaps are, 
you are safe. But some people crave ab initio theory as an end in itself. 
They hope to divorce knowledge from experiments and observations, to make 
some sort of ultimate Theory of Everything. They want to play God, or be 
God, it seems. Why? It does not seem like a practical goal, or even a 
desirable one. Why does it upset people that we must depend partly on well 
established observations that have no underlying theoretical basis? What 
harm can that cause? As long as it works, who cares?

As I mentioned, one of Kuhn's main hypotheses is that there are always gaps 
and leaks and unexplained problems, and every theory must eventually 
crumble. Theory is a useful guide and a starting point. This notion upsets 
physicists to no end, but most scientists I know personally are biologists 
and electrochemists, and they take it for granted. Martin Fleischmann says 
that whenever you hear people talking about some branch of chemistry or 
physics being a closed book, you can bet that particular field is about to 
erupt in controversy, and the theories are held together by bailing wire 
and bubblegum. (Actually, bailing wire . . . is how I put it. That's an 
Americanism, I believe. I am not sure how the Brits say it.)

- Jed



RE: WSCI: Just how ab initio is ab initio quantum chemistry?

2004-07-23 Thread Grimer
. and the theories are held together by bailing wire 
and bubblegum. (Actually, bailing wire . . . is how I put it. That's an 
Americanism, I believe. I am not sure how the Brits say it.)

- Jed

 held together with sticks and string.   8-)

Grimer 



RE: WSCI: Just how ab initio is ab initio quantum chemistry?

2004-07-22 Thread Michael Foster

And just think, hard working tax payers are paying this guy's salary.

M.

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