Re: [Vo]:Digital Journal reports on Industrial Heat deal with Rossi
I suppose the archives of this mailing list will be a mine-field for them. It would be nice if the older stuff were easier to get at in a search engine (rather than having to download in compressed form). Eric Absolutely! You should get Jed to host it or something.
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I tend to go to the mail archive site to search for historical postings http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/ which seems to allow seqrches of the last 10 years of the list Nigel On 25/01/2014 10:40, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: I suppose the archives of this mailing list will be a mine-field for them. It would be nice if the older stuff were easier to get at in a search engine (rather than having to download in compressed form). Eric Absolutely! You should get Jed to host it or something.
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On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I tend to go to the mail archive site to search for historical postings http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/ which seems to allow seqrches of the last 10 years of the list This list goes back to 1996 or so -- it would be nice if all those messages were readily available so as to give a cold sweat to any patent attorneys (I don't know if they actually would, but it's a fun thought). Eric
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Eric, your point is well taken. Very little IP can now be patented and defended. The ideas have either been described in rejected patents or they have been described in public. Any attempts made now to get a patent would only make the lawyers rich. Most of the patents presently granted also have very limited value, other than as comfort food. The important patent will result from correctly understanding the mechanism and applying it in the most effect way. The resulting recipe will be so good that no other improvement would be possible. Right now all the recipes are so poor, they could easily be improved, thereby making them irrelevant. The game can still be won, but not by the way it is presently being played. Ed Storms On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Eric Walker wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I tend to go to the mail archive site to search for historical postings http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/ which seems to allow seqrches of the last 10 years of the list This list goes back to 1996 or so -- it would be nice if all those messages were readily available so as to give a cold sweat to any patent attorneys (I don't know if they actually would, but it's a fun thought). Eric
Re: [Vo]:Digital Journal reports on Industrial Heat deal with Rossi
That's just a copy of the press release. Anyone else think Darden and Cherokee may have been conned by Rossi? I notice their scientific evidence is the previously disputed report from 2013. On Friday, January 24, 2014 1:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1700070
RE: [Vo]:Digital Journal reports on Industrial Heat deal with Rossi
From: Analog Fan Anyone else think Darden and Cherokee may have been conned by Rossi? I notice their scientific evidence is the previously disputed report from 2013. AFAIK - there is no evidence that Rossi was involved at all. He sold the US license for his technology some time ago to Ampenergo, who then sold to Industrial Heating. Of course the royalties to Rossi which were in the original deal would still be there. Ampenergo could have determined that there was nothing which they could move forward with the capital they have available - and decided to get out with some gain. That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo unload? It would be great to hear something from Craig Cassarino on the underlying rationale for this transaction.
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo unload? If you can't grow it yourself, you find someone who can and take the money and a percentage and run with it.
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-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo unload? If you can't grow it yourself, you find someone who can and take the money and a percentage and run with it. That makes perfect sense, but it may not be all of the story. Following the buck, as they say ... there could be an angle which concerns getting the most out of former DoE ties. They may want to use all their connections, but cannot do so without the taint of insider dealing under the old brand. Just sayin'
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo unload? If you can't grow it yourself, you find someone who can and take the money and a percentage and run with it. That makes perfect sense, but it may not be all of the story. Following the buck, as they say ... there could be an angle which concerns getting the most out of former DoE ties. They may want to use all their connections, but cannot do so without the taint of insider dealing under the old brand. Just sayin' Don't cha thin that the DoE deal has been long made and is separate from the commercial deal?
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One of the first comments on 22Passi years ago was that the Rossi reactor was already on a USN ship. Maybe yes?
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-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Don't cha thin that the DoE deal has been long made and is separate from the commercial deal? Well, you do not have to be John Grisham to realize the whole brownfield thing is chock-full of hidden value ... and to piggyback the kind of RD that would otherwise raise a political stink with big oil and big science - onto a brownfield deal - that could be the only way to get tax dollars into play. Rather brilliant, I'd say.
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After all, even NASA is openly discussing it. DoD has to have at least a 3 year head start. And how long has the Naval Labs known?
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Stephen Coonts' America gives an idea of how far ahead naval tech is above what is openly known. He's the new Clancy.
RE: [Vo]:Digital Journal reports on Industrial Heat deal with Rossi
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton After all, even NASA is openly discussing it. DoD has to have at least a 3 year head start. And how long has the Naval Labs known? But that could be giving them more credit than they deserve. They're probably not that smart, and Rickover is long gone. After all, they shut down SPAWAR and I don't see it as a diversionary tactic to hide a project which is going black, but who knows ... maybe that is what it was.
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Going black or project completed? On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton After all, even NASA is openly discussing it. DoD has to have at least a 3 year head start. And how long has the Naval Labs known? But that could be giving them more credit than they deserve. They're probably not that smart, and Rickover is long gone. After all, they shut down SPAWAR and I don't see it as a diversionary tactic to hide a project which is going black, but who knows ... maybe that is what it was.
RE: [Vo]:Digital Journal reports on Industrial Heat deal with Rossi
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Going black or project completed? My opinion on Pentagon agility and brain-power - as it applies to advanced technology is that yes, they can unbloat and do that kind of thing rapidly on the rare occasion when it is given the highest priority with little disagreement at the top. But otherwise, they probably miss more opportunities than they steal. One dense general or tanked admiral can topple any brilliant advanced program, and there are dozens of each who oppose LERN. The one successful project category in recent years that has surprised everyone in how fast, how well, and how cost efficiently it was pulled off is the unmanned drone category. LENR of course is a perfect fit for that. Watch the NOVA documentary to find that the way it got off the ground rapidly was because a few private individuals were able to move it along outside the bureaucracy at the important early stages and then they got boosted by DARPA funds. Boeing and LM come in after the table has been set. One way LENR could have gotten enough high quality attention to have been already developed to a useful stage for drones would be if someone with DARPA connections had seen a relevant demo - say the Jansson thruster demo at Rowan State U, since Rossi probably came along too late - and then pretty much borrowed the technology. Or else Mills has had something under wraps in the back room at Cranberry for a long time, who knows? Makes sense. Maybe RM's paranoia is not as irrational as it seems and he has been in Sam's back pocket for all these frustrating years?
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1700070 Kudos to Frank Acland and the fellow who broke this story well before it was announced to the public. From the press release: Since acquiring Rossi's technology, IH has engaged in a broad-based effort to protect it by preparing numerous patent applications related to the core technology as well as associated designs and uses. I suppose the archives of this mailing list will be a mine-field for them. It would be nice if the older stuff were easier to get at in a search engine (rather than having to download in compressed form). Eric
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: That is the big unanswered question which I have: why did Ampenergo unload? I got the impression along the way that Ampenergo was not an entity that was independent of Rossi; sort of a Leonardo Corp. II. Eric
