Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message From: Steven Krivit stev...@newenergytimes.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 4:07:53 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released At 07:37 AM 11/17/2009, you wrote: Is the DIA a parody of the CIA? They're a spy shop run out of the DOD, as I recall; the CIA is independent, sort of. They're real, all right. profound question Honestly, I had never heard of agency until now. Googling DIA didn't produce any relevant links. This was surprising since googling CIA produces many relevant links. The CIA is far more above board about a lot of their activities, and they do stuff like publish the CIA Factbook which has heaps of useful information about the political world around us. As far as I know the DIA doesn't do anything public. Now I see if you google Defense Intelligence Agency you do get some relevant links. ;-) harry __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: What I found particularly interesting: If rapid, explosive energy output can occur in one or several modes, could LENR serve as a new high-energy-density explosive? LOL! DIA and DOD interest. Where's DOE? A belly-buster, IMO. Cheeze! Terry It is ironic isn't it? CF dismissed by DOE and the patent office, and yet potentially important to DOD. However, I think the potential for concern is very real. Thermal excursions and particularly thermal excursions producing neutrons have been noted by various researchers. I now think there is a theoretical basis for such events. See pages 9-10 of draft #3 of Cold Fusion Nuclear Reactions, located here: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
Is the DIA a parody of the CIA? harry From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 8:00:57 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: What I found particularly interesting: If rapid, explosive energy output can occur in one or several modes, could LENR serve as a new high-energy-density explosive? LOL! DIA and DOD interest. Where's DOE? A belly-buster, IMO. Cheeze! Terry It is ironic isn't it? CF dismissed by DOE and the patent office, and yet potentially important to DOD. However, I think the potential for concern is very real. Thermal excursions and particularly thermal excursions producing neutrons have been noted by various researchers. I now think there is a theoretical basis for such events. See pages 9-10 of draft #3 of Cold Fusion Nuclear Reactions, located here: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
From: Horace Heffner If rapid, explosive energy output can occur in one or several modes, could LENR serve as a new high-energy-density explosive? It is ironic isn't it? CF dismissed by DOE and the patent office, and yet potentially important to DOD. However, I think the potential for concern is very real. Yup. Absolutely. Going back to Robert Forward we find the idea of really cold fusion . plus the realization that bosons could be involved in LENR in a higher temp range than with the Bose condensate (i.e. a transient condensate at ambient) . and the realization that the very high effective pressure inside a metal matrix is essentially the same effect as cryogenic confinement, in terms of limiting degrees of freedom - plus realizing that palladium-hydride is superconductive at low temperature . are any of these factors synergistic? . it very likely that near absolute zero the rate of reaction could possibly be poised to go into a rapid chain-reaction mode, if there is a stable BEC and extremely high loading. That is the scary part, especially if it were perfected by our enemies first and the first evidence we see of it is Tel Aviv being leveled, for instance. That scenario is likely one of many reasons why the Israelis have been deeply involved in the RD, and we probably only see the tip of that iceberg. From time to time, there have been divergent opinions expressed here on whether or not this military aspect is actually already well-known to a few in the Pentagon, from a black project perhaps (assuming it is real) - and then that secret knowledge is what has translated down the food chain into what we see as the incredible level of official neglect given to the whole field since 1989 .? IIRC - Jed has led the chorus for the argument that goes something like this: our military bureaucracy is really not that smart and there is no high-level conspiracy to quash LENR - just basic ignorance. The bureaucrats could not keep it secret, in any event. I hope that argument turns out to be correct, but I suspect something more sinister. They cannot keep many secrets, but there are a few that could be worth protecting at extraordinary cost. Jones
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
At 07:37 AM 11/17/2009, you wrote: Is the DIA a parody of the CIA? profound question
RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
Jones, I believe you meant Robert Carroll, not Robert Forward. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:47 AM From: Horace Heffner If rapid, explosive energy output can occur in one or several modes, could LENR serve as a new high-energy-density explosive? It is ironic isn't it? CF dismissed by DOE and the patent office, and yet potentially important to DOD. However, I think the potential for concern is very real. Yup. Absolutely. Going back to Robert Forward we find the idea of “really cold fusion” … plus the realization that bosons could be involved in LENR in a higher temp range than with the Bose condensate (i.e. a “transient condensate” at ambient) … and the realization that the very high effective pressure inside a metal matrix is essentially the same effect as cryogenic confinement, in terms of limiting degrees of freedom – plus realizing that palladium-hydride is superconductive at low temperature … are any of these factors synergistic? … it very likely that near absolute zero the rate of reaction “could possibly” be poised to go into a rapid chain-reaction mode, if there is a stable BEC and extremely high loading. That is the scary part, especially if it were perfected by our enemies first and the first evidence we see of it is Tel Aviv being leveled, for instance. That scenario is likely one of many reasons why the Israelis have been deeply involved in the RD, and we probably only see the tip of that “iceberg”. From time to time, there have been divergent opinions expressed here on whether or not this military aspect is actually already well-known to a few in the Pentagon, from a black project perhaps (assuming it is real) – and then that secret knowledge is what has translated down the food chain into what we see as the incredible level of “official neglect” given to the whole field since 1989 …? IIRC - Jed has led the chorus for the argument that goes something like this: our military bureaucracy is really “not that smart” and there is no high-level conspiracy to quash LENR – just basic ignorance. The bureaucrats could not keep it secret, in any event. I hope that argument turns out to be correct, but I suspect something more sinister. They cannot keep many secrets, but there are a few that could be worth protecting at extraordinary cost. Jones
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
- Original Message From: Steven Krivit stev...@newenergytimes.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 4:07:53 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released At 07:37 AM 11/17/2009, you wrote: Is the DIA a parody of the CIA? profound question Honestly, I had never heard of agency until now. Googling DIA didn't produce any relevant links. This was surprising since googling CIA produces many relevant links. Now I see if you google Defense Intelligence Agency you do get some relevant links. ;-) harry __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
Terry Blanton wrote: What I found particularly interesting: If rapid, explosive energy output can occur in one or several modes, could LENR serve as a new high-energy-density explosive? Answer: No! Definitely not. Probably definitely not. LOL! DIA and DOD interest. It go boom they likee. Where's DOE? See: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LENRCANRthedoelies.pdf - Jed
