Re: [Vo]:The Many Phases of Matter - a degenerate state of affairs--is progressive education warranted?

2019-03-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Yep, they're using Haliday and Resnick still (10th edition):

https://smile.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Physics-Binder-Ready-Version/dp/1118230647/

The available covers have improved from the basic orange or blue.  ;)

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 12:47 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jones—
>
>
>
> New Fixxic books are popping up all the time, but cannot get money for
> marketing.
>
>
>
> Maybe a catalogue of free thinking schools with at least 50% new Fixxic
> books on the list for courses being offered in “physics” is warranted.  It
> may help marketing funding, as well as attract students desiring to advance
> the understsnding of physical reality.
>
>
>
> HIGH SCHOOLS SHOULD BE THE FIRST SCHOOLS LISTED.   Listing might even
> foster progressive education in civilization to counter the
> establishments’s, both public and private,  current focus on strictly
> teaching dogmatic “science.”  from well funded publisher texts.   (Such a
> paradyme occurance would be a “black swan” event.)
>
>
>
> (We should beware of the stake)
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Jones Beene 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:30:42 AM
> *To:* Vortex List
> *Subject:* [Vo]:The Many Phases of Matter - a degenerate state of affairs
>
> At first there were only three - the solid, liquid and gas phase.
> Everything in Nature could be explained with these three categories...
> except maybe the sun.
>
> "Plasma" was identified as a fourth phase by Crookes in 1879 and/or
> Thomson in 1897 but it took man years for this big change in outlook to
> sink in - along with the recognition of stars being composed of mostly
> hydrogen plasma. To confuse things even more, physicists of late tries to
> distinguish "states of matter" from "phases of matter". This is basically a
> semantic gesture to save face.
>
> Fizzix, which is the dark side of the practice of mainstream Physics, is
> not quite as conservative as religion, but closer than it should be. For
> instance, it took much longer than it should for the mainstream to accept
> that there is a fifth phase - the condensate or BEC. The great Indian
> physicist Bose (who also first described the boson) first proposed the
> state mathematically but the mainstream of physics would have rejected the
> idea as entirely fringe, without Einstein's name on.
>
> Nice strategic move. Even so, it was not till 1995 that the Bose-Einstein
> condensate (BEC) was actually proved to exist physically by Cornell and
> Weiman using laser-cooled rubidium. Plus, the other four phases of matter
> follow the Pauli Exclusion Principle - which says that matter can't exist
> in identical quantum states so as to occupy the same space at the same
> time. Bose-Einstein condensates seem to break that rule as do some or all
> of the other states not yet included in the big five. In short - we should
> dump Pauli and move on without it.
>
> And that is about where Fizzix stands nowadays - with five phases of
> matter to describe all of nature ... err... almost.
>
> If we ditch the artificial distinction between phases and states, it has
> been proposed that the "Quark-gluon plasma," seen in the debris of beam
> line experiments, is important enough to be a distinct phase of matter (in
> the guise of the crossover between matter being converted into energy and
> back again). This is not simply a plasma with the highest energy level
> since it has dozenss of features which no ordinary plasma has. This
> category can be called the "quark soup phase" and  the clearly, entire
> Universe started out in this phase and most stars end up there in the end -
> in a nova.
>
> Then, the next category is where LENR can enter the picture - if there is
> indeed the so-called "Degenerate matter" phase which is characterized by
> extreme density. This grouping can include neutron stars, quasars, possibly
> black holes and even the elusive "dark matter" making up the bulk of the
> Universe: The compressed state exists in cosmology, but there could be a
> counterpart on earth - especially in the proposed ultra-dense state of
> hydrogen. This ultra-dense state derives from Rydberg matter which is also
> a candidate in itself for an entirely new phase of matter.
>
> These new phases of matter are not found in textbooks yet - Fizzix is
> conservative after all and prefers to keep things recognizable to
> practitioners who graduated half a century ago, even at the risk of
> semantic confusion which makes the Internet hum with "alternative facts."
>
> Nevertheless, in a fair appraisal - the bulk of actually mass in the
> Universe is probably to be found in the two overlooked phases - degenerate
> matter and quark soup phase. Recently these same two (proposed new phases)
> actually turn up in LENR, in the same body of work.
>
> ... one of the many reasons that the pioneering work of Holmlid is so
> intriguing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


RE: [Vo]:The Many Phases of Matter - a degenerate state of affairs--is progressive education warranted?

2019-03-24 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Jones—

New Fixxic books are popping up all the time, but cannot get money for 
marketing.

Maybe a catalogue of free thinking schools with at least 50% new Fixxic books 
on the list for courses being offered in “physics” is warranted.  It may help 
marketing funding, as well as attract students desiring to advance the 
understsnding of physical reality.

HIGH SCHOOLS SHOULD BE THE FIRST SCHOOLS LISTED.   Listing might even foster 
progressive education in civilization to counter the establishments’s, both 
public and private,  current focus on strictly teaching dogmatic “science.”  
from well funded publisher texts.   (Such a paradyme occurance would be a 
“black swan” event.)

(We should beware of the stake)

Bob Cook



From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:30:42 AM
To: Vortex List
Subject: [Vo]:The Many Phases of Matter - a degenerate state of affairs

At first there were only three - the solid, liquid and gas phase. Everything in 
Nature could be explained with these three categories... except maybe the sun.

"Plasma" was identified as a fourth phase by Crookes in 1879 and/or Thomson in 
1897 but it took man years for this big change in outlook to sink in - along 
with the recognition of stars being composed of mostly hydrogen plasma. To 
confuse things even more, physicists of late tries to distinguish "states of 
matter" from "phases of matter". This is basically a semantic gesture to save 
face.

Fizzix, which is the dark side of the practice of mainstream Physics, is not 
quite as conservative as religion, but closer than it should be. For instance, 
it took much longer than it should for the mainstream to accept that there is a 
fifth phase - the condensate or BEC. The great Indian physicist Bose (who also 
first described the boson) first proposed the state mathematically but the 
mainstream of physics would have rejected the idea as entirely fringe, without 
Einstein's name on.

Nice strategic move. Even so, it was not till 1995 that the Bose-Einstein 
condensate (BEC) was actually proved to exist physically by Cornell and Weiman 
using laser-cooled rubidium. Plus, the other four phases of matter follow the 
Pauli Exclusion Principle - which says that matter can't exist in identical 
quantum states so as to occupy the same space at the same time. Bose-Einstein 
condensates seem to break that rule as do some or all of the other states not 
yet included in the big five. In short - we should dump Pauli and move on 
without it.

And that is about where Fizzix stands nowadays - with five phases of matter to 
describe all of nature ... err... almost.

If we ditch the artificial distinction between phases and states, it has been 
proposed that the "Quark-gluon plasma," seen in the debris of beam line 
experiments, is important enough to be a distinct phase of matter (in the guise 
of the crossover between matter being converted into energy and back again). 
This is not simply a plasma with the highest energy level since it has dozenss 
of features which no ordinary plasma has. This category can be called the 
"quark soup phase" and  the clearly, entire Universe started out in this phase 
and most stars end up there in the end - in a nova.

Then, the next category is where LENR can enter the picture - if there is 
indeed the so-called "Degenerate matter" phase which is characterized by 
extreme density. This grouping can include neutron stars, quasars, possibly 
black holes and even the elusive "dark matter" making up the bulk of the 
Universe: The compressed state exists in cosmology, but there could be a 
counterpart on earth - especially in the proposed ultra-dense state of 
hydrogen. This ultra-dense state derives from Rydberg matter which is also a 
candidate in itself for an entirely new phase of matter.

These new phases of matter are not found in textbooks yet - Fizzix is 
conservative after all and prefers to keep things recognizable to practitioners 
who graduated half a century ago, even at the risk of semantic confusion which 
makes the Internet hum with "alternative facts."

Nevertheless, in a fair appraisal - the bulk of actually mass in the Universe 
is probably to be found in the two overlooked phases - degenerate matter and 
quark soup phase. Recently these same two (proposed new phases) actually turn 
up in LENR, in the same body of work.

... one of the many reasons that the pioneering work of Holmlid is so 
intriguing.