Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Eric Walker]

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

Except for the Papp engine, Piantelli, and Rossi, no LENR tech has ever
> been patented.
>

I believe Dennis Cravens has one or more patents, including one for
speeding up radioactive decay.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Axil Axil]

Except for the Papp engine, Piantelli, and Rossi, no LENR tech has ever
been patented.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>> AlainCo  Mar
>> 22nd 2015
>> 
>>  states: "The patent really looks like Defkalion claims."
>>
>
> This is NOT a patent. I repeat NOT a patent. It is a patent application.
> That is quite a different thing. Most applications never become patents.
>
>
>
>> This patent sure looks like the Dekalion tech to me.
>>
>
> As I said, if it is like Defkalion, it will not work. Nothing they had
> ever worked. At all.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Axil Axil]

*If you're such an expert on defjalions tech, expert enough to asset if
cannot work, how come you do not understand what the AirBus patent tech is
about? *

*When Defkalion principles were under extreme direst due to heath problems.
They had no strength or money to continue to fight the LENR wars. *

*Not responding is not a proof of guilt.*

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> Vandenberghe wrote to *New Energy Times* that “Airbus Group has signed a
>> letter of intent” to work with his company. In recent weeks, AirBus group
>> has just patented the Dekalion design. That design had to have come
>> from Gamberale. Jed, are you acting as a unwitting dupe for these guys?
>>
>
> AirBus didn't patent anything as far as I know. They submitted an
> application. Whether it was based on Defkalion's claim or not I wouldn't
> know, but if it was, it will not work.
>
> Defkalion never responded to these accusations leveled by Gamberale and
> from others
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GamberaleLfinaltechn.pdf
>
> They have vanished. No web site, no phone, no nothing. They cheated people
> out of millions of dollars and vanished. That's fraud.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


> AlainCo  Mar
> 22nd 2015
> 
>  states: "The patent really looks like Defkalion claims."
>

This is NOT a patent. I repeat NOT a patent. It is a patent application.
That is quite a different thing. Most applications never become patents.



> This patent sure looks like the Dekalion tech to me.
>

As I said, if it is like Defkalion, it will not work. Nothing they had ever
worked. At all.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:

Vandenberghe wrote to *New Energy Times* that “Airbus Group has signed a
> letter of intent” to work with his company. In recent weeks, AirBus group
> has just patented the Dekalion design. That design had to have come
> from Gamberale. Jed, are you acting as a unwitting dupe for these guys?
>

AirBus didn't patent anything as far as I know. They submitted an
application. Whether it was based on Defkalion's claim or not I wouldn't
know, but if it was, it will not work.

Defkalion never responded to these accusations leveled by Gamberale and
from others

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GamberaleLfinaltechn.pdf

They have vanished. No web site, no phone, no nothing. They cheated people
out of millions of dollars and vanished. That's fraud.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Axil Axil]

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/news/index.php/news/80-Airbus-Defence-Space-filed-a-LENR-patent-for-an-autonomous-reactor-in-september-/

AlainCo  Mar
22nd 2015

 states: "The patent really looks like Defkalion claims."

This patent sure looks like the Dekalion tech to me. Who would know that
tech is extreme detail if it was not Gamberale. If Defkalion "had nothing"
then why has AirBus patented that tech? Jed, don't be made a fool of.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Gamberale left Defkalion after nine months and has started his own company
> to conduct research and development in LENRs, according to his LinkedIn
> profile.
>
> Vandenberghe wrote to *New Energy Times* that “Airbus Group has signed a
> letter of intent” to work with his company. In recent weeks, AirBus group
> has just patented the Dekalion design. That design had to have come
> from Gamberale. Jed, are you acting as a unwitting dupe for these guys?
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There seems to be a pattern developing in the LENR body politic. The
>>> systems integrator discredits the LENR inventor using the same flow meter
>>> gambit.
>>>
>>
>> You are talking about Defkalion and Rossi. No one else. There is no
>> pattern. It happens that they both used flow meters to commit fraud, but
>> Rossi also used several other instruments as well. Details have not yet
>> been released. Some of his other tricks contributed more to the fake COP of
>> 50 than the flow meter did.
>>
>>
>> Then the systems integrator takes advantage of the IP of the defunct
>>> inventor to advance their business prospects.
>>>
>>
>> There is no IP. There is nothing to take advantage of. The claims were
>> lies and nonsense, with no value.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jeb seems to support without exception the systems integrator using info
>>> provided by the systems integrator involving the flow meter.
>>>
>>
>> "Without exception" meaning in these two cases, and in no other case in
>> the history of cold fusion.
>>
>>
>>
>>> The IP of the inventor eventually shows up in a patent that the systems
>>> integrator has a commercial interest in.
>>>
>>
>> There can be no valid patents. The reactors produce no heat.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Axil Axil]

Gamberale left Defkalion after nine months and has started his own company
to conduct research and development in LENRs, according to his LinkedIn
profile.

Vandenberghe wrote to *New Energy Times* that “Airbus Group has signed a
letter of intent” to work with his company. In recent weeks, AirBus group
has just patented the Dekalion design. That design had to have come
from Gamberale. Jed, are you acting as a unwitting dupe for these guys?

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>> There seems to be a pattern developing in the LENR body politic. The
>> systems integrator discredits the LENR inventor using the same flow meter
>> gambit.
>>
>
> You are talking about Defkalion and Rossi. No one else. There is no
> pattern. It happens that they both used flow meters to commit fraud, but
> Rossi also used several other instruments as well. Details have not yet
> been released. Some of his other tricks contributed more to the fake COP of
> 50 than the flow meter did.
>
>
> Then the systems integrator takes advantage of the IP of the defunct
>> inventor to advance their business prospects.
>>
>
> There is no IP. There is nothing to take advantage of. The claims were
> lies and nonsense, with no value.
>
>
>
>> Jeb seems to support without exception the systems integrator using info
>> provided by the systems integrator involving the flow meter.
>>
>
> "Without exception" meaning in these two cases, and in no other case in
> the history of cold fusion.
>
>
>
>> The IP of the inventor eventually shows up in a patent that the systems
>> integrator has a commercial interest in.
>>
>
> There can be no valid patents. The reactors produce no heat.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


> There seems to be a pattern developing in the LENR body politic. The
> systems integrator discredits the LENR inventor using the same flow meter
> gambit.
>

You are talking about Defkalion and Rossi. No one else. There is no
pattern. It happens that they both used flow meters to commit fraud, but
Rossi also used several other instruments as well. Details have not yet
been released. Some of his other tricks contributed more to the fake COP of
50 than the flow meter did.


Then the systems integrator takes advantage of the IP of the defunct
> inventor to advance their business prospects.
>

There is no IP. There is nothing to take advantage of. The claims were lies
and nonsense, with no value.



> Jeb seems to support without exception the systems integrator using info
> provided by the systems integrator involving the flow meter.
>

"Without exception" meaning in these two cases, and in no other case in the
history of cold fusion.



> The IP of the inventor eventually shows up in a patent that the systems
> integrator has a commercial interest in.
>

There can be no valid patents. The reactors produce no heat.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Axil Axil]

There seems to be a pattern developing in the LENR body politic. The
systems integrator discredits the LENR inventor using the same flow meter
gambit. Then the systems integrator takes advantage of the IP of the
defunct inventor to advance their business prospects.

Jeb seems to support without exception the systems integrator using info
provided by the systems integrator involving the flow meter.

The IP of the inventor eventually shows up in a patent that the systems
integrator has a commercial interest in.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I posted the following; let's see if it stays or vanishes.
>
>
> You asked me several times to describe what error Rossi made with the flow
> meter. The error was described in detail in Exhibit 5 from I.H., which is
> here:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6qvuFUMAp9HMEQyeHZlX256U1E
>
> I summarized the problems here:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg111082.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

I posted the following; let's see if it stays or vanishes.


You asked me several times to describe what error Rossi made with the flow
meter. The error was described in detail in Exhibit 5 from I.H., which is
here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6qvuFUMAp9HMEQyeHZlX256U1E

I summarized the problems here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg111082.html

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

I have not deleted anything it must be some confusion.
> We are in confrontation but deleting is not my style.
>

Okay, I will try posting it for the third time.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Peter Gluck]

I have not deleted anything it must be some confusion.
We are in confrontation but deleting is not my style.

sorry for what has happened

peter

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Peter Gluck  wrote:
>
> Just from curiosity, who has deleted Jed's messages here?
>> where actually? I never delete a message except my initial sending
>>
>
> You or someone else at your blog deleted the message I posted on your
> blog. You did it twice. It was formatted differently the second time, so it
> was not a software glitch.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

Peter Gluck  wrote:

Just from curiosity, who has deleted Jed's messages here?
> where actually? I never delete a message except my initial sending
>

You or someone else at your blog deleted the message I posted on your blog.
You did it twice. It was formatted differently the second time, so it was
not a software glitch.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Peter Gluck]

Just from curiosity, who has deleted Jed's messages here?
where actually? I never delete a message except my initial sending
peter


On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> I might add: It is damned craven of you to erase my messages. Despite
>> your provocations and baseless accusations, I have remained civil with you,
>> and in this instance I have provided only facts. Facts grounded in
>> conventional engineering. By denying this, and by erasing messages, you
>> have disgraced yourself and shown that you are no scientist or engineer any
>> more. Perhaps you were once, and you may be again, but you are so obsessed
>> with Rossi, and so unwilling to face reality, you have abandoned all
>> objective standards.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>
>
> It is sad to see all the confusion, despair, conniving, backstabbing and
> contention caused essentially by the hubris and base egotism of the likes
> of LENR 'heroes' Andrea Rossi. Let's hope instead that the collaborative --
> and OPEN -- likes of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, however slow
> and plodding, show us the best way and foot forward for a TRUE science of
> Cold Fusion.
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Che]

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I might add: It is damned craven of you to erase my messages. Despite your
> provocations and baseless accusations, I have remained civil with you, and
> in this instance I have provided only facts. Facts grounded in conventional
> engineering. By denying this, and by erasing messages, you have disgraced
> yourself and shown that you are no scientist or engineer any more. Perhaps
> you were once, and you may be again, but you are so obsessed with Rossi,
> and so unwilling to face reality, you have abandoned all objective
> standards.
>
> - Jed
>


It is sad to see all the confusion, despair, conniving, backstabbing and
contention caused essentially by the hubris and base egotism of the likes
of LENR 'heroes' Andrea Rossi. Let's hope instead that the collaborative --
and OPEN -- likes of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, however slow
and plodding, show us the best way and foot forward for a TRUE science of
Cold Fusion.

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

I might add: It is damned craven of you to erase my messages. Despite your
provocations and baseless accusations, I have remained civil with you, and
in this instance I have provided only facts. Facts grounded in conventional
engineering. By denying this, and by erasing messages, you have disgraced
yourself and shown that you are no scientist or engineer any more. Perhaps
you were once, and you may be again, but you are so obsessed with Rossi,
and so unwilling to face reality, you have abandoned all objective
standards.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:war news in full development

[Jed Rothwell]

I copied the message "Problems with Rossi's flow meter described in court
document" to your blog. You deleted it, twice.

You need to face reality. When Rossi runs the wrong kind of flow meter in a
pipe half full of water, it produces the wrong answer. This was deliberate,
I am sure. People pointed out the problem to him. He did nothing.

You are angry at me and you delete my messages, but this changes nothing.
You must realize that you have been wrong. Despite what you said, it is
possible to deliberately set up a flow meter to give the wrong answer.
Defkalion did it, and so did Rossi. Rossi took other steps to inflate the
apparent excess heat.

Do not blame the messenger. I have been telling you the truth all along.
Face it. Deal with it.

- Jed