Re: SHC
At 12:54 PM 11/16/4, revtec wrote: >These are the observations I recall: > >1. The pig was on a large metal tray to retain the juices in the immediate >area and to prevent the fire from spreading across the floor of the room. >2. There was some fabric placed over the pig to supply wicking. >3. An accelerant was used to kick things off. While this is not so important I am still for some reason to yell CHEAT!!! >4. The fire was never intense enough to spread to the ceiling. >5. Some torso bones did burn to ash. "Some torso bones" is a very long way from the *complete torso* being converted to ash. It is imaginable that heat can be supplied to reduce some bone to ash, but neither the flesh nor the bone itself can supply the energy to burn itself completely to a white ash. Even crematoria designed for the purpose do not do this. It is my (second hadn) understanding that skeletal remains from crematoria are typically pulverised by a ball bearing grinder before placing in the urn. >6. The extremeties were largely intact at the conclusion of the fire. > >Jeff Another factor involved here is time. BTW, I seem to recall having seen the subject TV show. I am left with the impression it took a long time for the pig to burn, even given the use of the accelerant. Various cases of SHC I think have been shown to have occurred in a brief time span, less than 2 hours. I suppose I should have been not so cheap and actually bought the book on SHC so I would know something of what I speak. Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: SHC and "old times" week
At 8:47 AM 11/16/4, Jones Beene wrote: >...BTW, no one should blame Ron - he was just doing the job that top >scientists of his caliber are paid to do - and probably bent over >backwards to fit it into the PNL agenda. > > >Date: 24-Sep-97 16:06 EDT >From: Ronald L Brodzinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subj: Final Report on Cincinnati Group Experiment > > [Here is] . . . my final report on the demonstration experiment performed > at PNNL by the Cincinnati Group, and some logical explanation for the > observations reported in their web site and elsewhere. Wow, speaking of "old times", it seems to me Ronald L Brodzinski was the guy who got into some difficulties due to posting (true)information about the massive amount of radiation released to the atmosphere by burning coal. He (I think) posted some amazing statistics on sci.physics.fusion. The annual amount of radioactivity relased by power plants, which included uranium, radon, and other daughter products, was (if I remember correctly) vastly more than escaped all the nuclear reactors in the world (possibly excepting Chernobyl which was more recent?) Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: SHC
These are the observations I recall: 1. The pig was on a large metal tray to retain the juices in the immediate area and to prevent the fire from spreading across the floor of the room. 2. There was some fabric placed over the pig to supply wicking. 3. An accelerant was used to kick things off. 4. The fire was never intense enough to spread to the ceiling. 5. Some torso bones did burn to ash. 6. The extremeties were largely intact at the conclusion of the fire. Jeff - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: Re: SHC > At 7:21 AM 11/16/4, revtec wrote: > >- Original Message - > >From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:54 AM > >Subject: SHC > > If wicking is actually a > >> valid explanation for spontaneous human combustion, then an experiment > >> should produce similar results using a large ham with bone and skin. > > > >This was already done using a whole pig on a TV show on Discovery. The > >result appeared successful. > > By what criterea? > > Regards, > > Horace Heffner > > >
Re: SHC
Horace Heffner wrote: At 7:21 AM 11/16/4, revtec wrote: - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:54 AM Subject: SHC If wicking is actually a valid explanation for spontaneous human combustion, then an experiment should produce similar results using a large ham with bone and skin. This was already done using a whole pig on a TV show on Discovery. The result appeared successful. By what criterea? By Joe Nickell's criteria, PSYCOP (CSICOP) S(k)eptical Enquirer. :-) http://media.science.discovery.com/video/skepticalinquirer/skepticalinquirer.html It's the last video clip. I don't recommend bothering to download it.
Re: SHC
At 7:21 AM 11/16/4, revtec wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:54 AM >Subject: SHC > If wicking is actually a >> valid explanation for spontaneous human combustion, then an experiment >> should produce similar results using a large ham with bone and skin. > >This was already done using a whole pig on a TV show on Discovery. The >result appeared successful. By what criterea? Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: SHC
- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:54 AM Subject: SHC If wicking is actually a > valid explanation for spontaneous human combustion, then an experiment > should produce similar results using a large ham with bone and skin. This was already done using a whole pig on a TV show on Discovery. The result appeared successful. Jeff Fink
