Re: Scientists in a spin over curling clues

2005-12-05 Thread Harry Veeder
Title: Re: Scientists in a spin over curling clues





[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 11/22/2005 6:43:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The problem is why curling stones, which rotate clockwise, curl to 
 the right, unlike other objects, such as a glass spinning on a 
 table, which veer in the opposite direction. 
Thanks for the post. 
 
P.M.S. Blackett's law conneting the magnetic field of a body with its spin P=BG^1/2/2c * U where P is the magnetic field strength, B a new constant with magnitude near to unity for the unites chosen, G the universal gravitation constant, c the speed of light, and U the angular momentum may help us find a connection between right and left curls, gravity and rotating spinning matter.
 
If we assume that the spiraling curling force in every atom may be associated with the gravity force, then if we were to counter the spiraling force in every atom by either using a counter spiraling force such as a counter spiraling sphere or gyroscopic force around the atom or a collections of atoms in a body or ship, then we may be able to counter gravity. Since many objects may have a spiraling force that goes in both left and right spiraling directions we may need a counter spiraling force that goes counter right and counter left as in a double left and right spiraling spheres or gyroscopes as used in the Nazi Bell antigravity device. We may also develope tinny left and right handed antennas placed in nanomade materials which capture the spiraling forces and creates and antispiraling force, to make materials that may jam out some of the gravity forces perhaps up to 80 percent. 


Personally, I think the phenomena of curling is inconsistent with some aspect
of Newton mechanics.
Anyway, any explanation of curling will have to be consistent with the 
following observations.

Harry

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Curling rock dynamics: Towards a realistic model
by Mark Denny 

No subscription required to download this paper from the 
Canadian Journal of Physics web site:
http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/cgi-bin/rp/rp2_vols_e?cjp

see issue Sept. 2002

Other papers on curling can be found here as well.

begin quote:

Observed characteristics of curling rock trajectories, familiar to any 
experienced curler, are listed below.

1. For a counterclockwise angular velocity (as seen from above) the rock 
develops a component of linear velocity to the left.

2. For a clockwise angular velocity it moves to the right; for no angular 
velocity the rock does not deviate from its initial direction.

3. For conventional angular velocities, the trajectories are insensitive to 
initial angular speed.

4. Rotational and translational motion stop at about the same time.

5. The normalized angular speed (i.e., angular speed divided by its initial 
value) slows down less rapidly than does normalized linear speed, except at 
the end of the trajectory.

Here ³conventional angular velocities¹ are those normally imparted during a 
game of curling, and are such that the rock undergoes 1­4 full rotations 
before coming to a halt. These facts have long been known in the world of 
curling. Observations 1 to 3 were first introduced to physicists 20 years 
ago [1]. Observation 3 has recently been confirmed experimentally by Penner 
[7]. That curl distance is insensitive to initial angular speed is a 
well-known fact amongst experienced curlers. We can infer observation 3 by 
noting the manner in which curlers specify to each other how a shot should 
be played. A curler at one end of the ice is asked to play a shot by his 
skip at the other end of the ice, in the house (the target area). The skip 
indicates the initial direction of the shot, usually by placing his brush, 
vertically, so as to give the curler a line to aim at. He also indicates the 
weight to be applied (i.e., the initial speed): he asks for draw weight for 
a shot to finish in the house, and may specify further whether he wants the 
rock in the front or back of the house. He also indicates which handle 
(direction of rotation: clockwise or counterclockwise) he wants the curler 
to apply. Thus, in physics terms, the skip specifies both magnitude and 
direction of initial rock linear velocity, but only specifies direction of 
initial angular velocity: he does not specify initial angular speed. This 
indicates that, over the range of angular speeds imparted during a game, the 
curl distance is insensitive to this variable.

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Re: Scientists in a spin over curling clues

2005-12-01 Thread ThomasClark123



In a message dated 11/22/2005 6:43:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The problem is why curling stones, which rotate clockwise, curl to  the right, unlike other objects, such as a glass spinning on a  table, which veer in the opposite direction. 
Thanks for the post. 

P.M.S. Blackett's law conneting the magnetic field of a body with its spin P=BG^1/2/2c * U where P is the magnetic field strength, B a new constant with magnitude near to unity for the unites chosen, G the universal gravitation constant, c the speed of light, and U the angular momentum may help us find a connection between right and leftcurls, gravity and rotating spinningmatter.

If we assume that the spiraling curling force in every atom may be associated with the gravity force, then if we were to counter the spiraling force in every atom by either using a counter spiraling force such as a counter spiraling sphere or gyroscopic force around the atom or a collections of atoms in a body or ship, then we may be able to counter gravity. Since many objects may have a spiraling force that goes in both left and right spiraling directions we may need a counter spiraling force that goes counter right and counter left as in a double left and right spiraling spheres or gyroscopes as used in the Nazi Bell antigravity device. We may also develope tinny left and right handed antennas placed in nanomade materials which capture the spiraling forces and creates and antispiraling force, to make materials that may jam out some of the gravity forces perhaps up to 80 percent. 


Re: Scientists in a spin over curling clues

2005-11-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:47:25
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
It depends on one's point of view which the author did not specify.

However, it is  common to assume the caster's point of view, 

That's what I did.


rather than a point of view from the opposite end of the rink.

Harry

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



Re: Scientists in a spin over curling clues

2005-11-22 Thread Harry Veeder

- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:42 pm Subject: Re: Scientists in a spin over curling clues  In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:42:05  -0500:  Hi,  [snip]   Marmo argues that the lubricating effect of the water under the   stone increases as its velocity increases. The velocity of the   right-hand side of a curling stone spinning clockwise is higher  than  its   left   No it isn't. The right hand side of a clockwise spinning stone is  coming toward the person casting it, and hence is going slower  than the left hand side which is going away.causing it to curve right, the path of least resistance.  Regards,   Robin van Spaandonk !
 
It depends on one's point of view which the author did not specify.
However, it is common to assume the caster's point of view, rather
thana point of view from the opposite end of the rink.
Harry