Re: [vox-tech] How badly screwed am I?
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:57:16PM -0800, Richard S. Crawford wrote: In the meantime, I rebooted the computer and ran BIOS. I poked around, but didn't change a darn thing. Nothing. Not a single character. But I went ahead and saved my changes anyway, instead of just exit without saving changes. That is the solution. Most BIOS's save what they last knew as the machine state and complain if anything is different when they boot back up. Sometimes when you change out a non-booting hard disk on older BIOSs, or add memory, or open a machine with 'intrusion detection' the key to getting them to be quiet is just go into the BIOS menu and hit whatever you need to to save the settings. (other times you have to tweek a disk type, or toggle a 'I know I opened the case' option...) Glad you got it working. Umm... don't you have a UPS? A good one gives you clean power, which may be part of your problem. Where I live, we get outages from windstorms, and the wiring in this house was done by someone far more amateur-ish than I. You should be able to get one for $200-$300 that will give you an hour or more of dime, and a graceful shutdown when the battery expires. It may also save you from a permanently cooked CPU. Good luck Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] How badly screwed am I?
No, not yet. But I've just initiated a stealth campaign to convince my wife that we really need one (since I'm currently unemployed, my wife is the one who makes that sort of monetary decision). On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 08:11, Cam Ellison wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:57:16PM -0800, Richard S. Crawford wrote: In the meantime, I rebooted the computer and ran BIOS. I poked around, but didn't change a darn thing. Nothing. Not a single character. But I went ahead and saved my changes anyway, instead of just exit without saving changes. That is the solution. Most BIOS's save what they last knew as the machine state and complain if anything is different when they boot back up. Sometimes when you change out a non-booting hard disk on older BIOSs, or add memory, or open a machine with 'intrusion detection' the key to getting them to be quiet is just go into the BIOS menu and hit whatever you need to to save the settings. (other times you have to tweek a disk type, or toggle a 'I know I opened the case' option...) Glad you got it working. Umm... don't you have a UPS? A good one gives you clean power, which may be part of your problem. Where I live, we get outages from windstorms, and the wiring in this house was done by someone far more amateur-ish than I. You should be able to get one for $200-$300 that will give you an hour or more of dime, and a graceful shutdown when the battery expires. It may also save you from a permanently cooked CPU. Good luck Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech -- Sliante, Richard S. Crawford mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mossroot.com AIM: Buffalo2K ICQ: 11646404 Yahoo!: rscrawford MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is only with the heart that we see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] X over lan is nice, but a pain starting up.
Well, I've managed to setup an old pentium box as an x termnial, and I like it very much. Tunneled over a compressed ssh connection, the lag is hardly noticable. I can get a remote window manager by going in to gdm and seleting failsafe xterm then running 'ssh -Cf foo blackbox' but this is annoying. Is there a way to automate this with gdm? ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Loud fan, only on Linux
Keywords: loud fan, acpi I recently installed Mandrake on a work computer. It's working great, except its fan is really loud. So what's the big deal, right? -- well, the fan powers down if I go into Windows. The fan turns on when I power up the computer -- if I go into Linux, it stays on, but if I go into Windows, it powers down. So there must be a way to power down the fan under Linux, too, and safely. I poked around a bit and I think ACPI is what's doing it, but I'm not sure. I recompiled the kernel with ACPI support but it won't load the modules (the kernel needs ACPI support, and the modules provide some more support, I guess -- I made everything I can into modules so I can test them) -- it says either the IRQ/IO hasn't been configured properly or the device doesn't exist. So either this computer doesn't use ACPI (but I'm pretty sure it does as the ACPI services show up under Windows), or I got the IRQ/IO wrong. I can find out the IRQ/IO from Windows end, but how do I pass the paramters to the modules? Which modules do I need to power down this freakingly noisy fan? Thanks in adv! -Mark -- Mark K. Kim http://www.cbreak.org/ PGP key available upon request. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Loud fan, only on Linux
What sort of fan? Power supply? CPU? Case? Check to see if your kernel is built with: Power Management Support Advanced Power Management BIOS support Make CPU Idle calls when idle -- Rod http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ On Thursday 04 April 2002 12:53, Mark K. Kim wrote: Keywords: loud fan, acpi I recently installed Mandrake on a work computer. It's working great, except its fan is really loud. So what's the big deal, right? -- well, the fan powers down if I go into Windows. The fan turns on when I power up the computer -- if I go into Linux, it stays on, but if I go into Windows, it powers down. So there must be a way to power down the fan under Linux, too, and safely. I poked around a bit and I think ACPI is what's doing it, but I'm not sure. I recompiled the kernel with ACPI support but it won't load the modules (the kernel needs ACPI support, and the modules provide some more support, I guess -- I made everything I can into modules so I can test them) -- it says either the IRQ/IO hasn't been configured properly or the device doesn't exist. So either this computer doesn't use ACPI (but I'm pretty sure it does as the ACPI services show up under Windows), or I got the IRQ/IO wrong. I can find out the IRQ/IO from Windows end, but how do I pass the paramters to the modules? Which modules do I need to power down this freakingly noisy fan? Thanks in adv! -Mark ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Loud fan, only on Linux
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Rod Roark wrote: What sort of fan? Power supply? CPU? Case? Let's see... ::klink klink...:: As far as I can tell without opening up the beast, it's the power supply. When I boot into Windows, it seems it doesn't power down completely but simply slows down. FYI, the system is Sony. Windows is XP. Check to see if your kernel is built with: Power Management Support Advanced Power Management BIOS support Make CPU Idle calls when idle Yep. Turned it on when I recompiled the kernel. Still no effect. Thanks! I'd appreciate further insites! -Mark -- Mark K. Kim http://www.cbreak.org/ PGP key available upon request. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Effective home disk backup systems
Have used lots of various kinds of storage systems. I backup multiple SCSI enabled Hardware based RAID-5 Dell PowerVault 160+Gb arrays, and have found the DLT drives to be the most robust pieces of equipment for backup. Those DAT drives are too tempermental, and require head cleaning far too often for me. They are also more limited on storage space. Though DLT are more expensive, grab a SCSI3 Ultra LVD based card and add a fast DLT drive and put it on its own SCSI bus and watch the bits fly to tape. You will also be able to see the backups complete long before the night is over. ;-) Much faster than DAT and capacity for more data is greater. All of our new servers now use DLT. The few remaining DAT based drives on server will eventually be migrated to DLT. Comments: : CDRW Slow. Mostly internal. Mostly IDE, Violates easily moved between systems, not enough space to meet requirment slisted above. : CDR Slow. Mostly internal. Mostly IDE, Violates easily moved between systems systems, not enough space to meet requirment slisted above. : DVD RAM Slow. Mostly internal. Mostly IDE, Violates easily moved between systems systems, not enough space to meet requirment slisted above. : DVD RW Slow. Mostly internal. Mostly IDE, Violates easily moved between systems systems, not enough space to meet requirment slisted above. : DVD R Slow. Mostly internal. Mostly IDE, Violates easily moved between systems systems, not enough space to meet requirment slisted above. : 8mm tape 'DLT' I like this. Meet most requirement, only cost for initial purchase may not be met. : 4mm tape 'DAT' Faster than many removable opticle disks mentioned above - depending. Mostly internal though some external, runs close the edge of space requirements for size of backup. : Buy more hard drives Way more expensive, but best performance. Good seek time, goo transfer rates, but not so easily moved between systems. : Iomega 'Jaz' drive Ack! Ug! Sloww. Oh, is this parallel? So slow IDE/SCSI faster, and seek time is much faster than tapes, but not reliable enough media for me, and cost is greater than the $1/Gb. You plan on switching disks all night? DLT is better choice as you will also grow into it. Most DAT drives wont even backup most present default new home computer's Hard Drive with one tape. Unattended backups (those not requiring you to switch tapes) are possible, Witless, brainless cyberzombie but not a slave to the safe to remove tape light on *his* tape drives, -ME -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CM$/IT$/LS$/S/O$ !d--(++) !s !a+++(-) C++$() U$(+$) P+$+++ L+++$(++) E W+++$(+) N+ o K w+$+ O-@ M+$ V-$- !PS !PE Y+ !PGP t@-(++) 5+@ X@ R- tv- b++ DI+++ D+ G--@ e+++ h(++)+ r*? z? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- decode: http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ about: http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an opinion gathering session I've not done any research now. I am going to be in the market for a home disk backup system in the next few days (1). I'm wondering what technologies people around here use, would like to use, and what would be recommended. I imagine that practically nothing is going to meet my criteria, so don't bother filtering in advance, just throwing them out so you know my opinion of 'effective'. My 'effective' criteria: - Cost ( $1000 for backup unit, $1 per GiB of media) - Speed (5-15+ MiB/s) - Automatable(backup media large enough to backup reasonable amount of data, say 20 GiB) - Reusable Media (prefer not to have stacks and stacks of backup media from ages ago). - Relocatable(easy to move the backup system between machines) This I don't particularly care about: - Need not be online, would prefer to be able to lock away in a safe. - Seek times can be horrible, in the few minute range. Backup options I vaguely know of starting out: - CDRW - CDR - DVD RAM - DVD RW - DVD R - 8mm tape 'DLT' - 4mm tape 'DAT' - Buy more hard drives - Iomega 'Jaz' drive Thanks, Mike 1: One of my IBM Deskstar drives started making rude noises this morning, when the morning updatedb ran. It has 4 drive errors logged into the SMART log... it claims only 510 Power On Hours but it claims no relocated sectors. I have too much important information on this drive to consider losing it, so I'm going to have to take the drive offline until I find a backup system and/or a replacement drive. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] looking for Debian support
On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:21:48PM -0800, nbs wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:02:27AM -0800, tfarnall wrote: Regarding the immediate help I need, it is for someone to walk me through the debian install via telephone. An over-the-telephone attempt may prove to be frustrating, but it's better than nothing. They don't _have_ to be frustrating. ;) Pete had suggested we do a road trip out to Arcata to help you, as we've done this once in the past for someone in Benicia. Unfortunately, though, it looks like you're a 6h15m drive from Davis! :) Cool! North west coast. North and East of here are both pretty places and I like to drive... so don't rule road trips out. Make it a weekend adventure... ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] looking for Debian support
i've actually been to arcata. it's awfully pretty! the drive up there is excellent motorcycle road. :) pete begin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 05:21:48PM -0800, nbs wrote: On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 12:02:27AM -0800, tfarnall wrote: Regarding the immediate help I need, it is for someone to walk me through the debian install via telephone. An over-the-telephone attempt may prove to be frustrating, but it's better than nothing. They don't _have_ to be frustrating. ;) Pete had suggested we do a road trip out to Arcata to help you, as we've done this once in the past for someone in Benicia. Unfortunately, though, it looks like you're a 6h15m drive from Davis! :) Cool! North west coast. North and East of here are both pretty places and I like to drive... so don't rule road trips out. Make it a weekend adventure... ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] X over lan is nice, but a pain starting up.
On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:01:49AM -0800, Ryan wrote: Well, I've managed to setup an old pentium box as an x termnial, and I like it very much. Tunneled over a compressed ssh connection, the lag is hardly noticable. If you are on a LAN, just disable the compression and things should be faster. If not you might want to try level 1 compression instead of 6 which is the default. I can get a remote window manager by going in to gdm and seleting failsafe xterm then running 'ssh -Cf foo blackbox' but this is annoying. Is there a way to automate this with gdm? This is a theory that has not been tested or researched... it's possible that you have to do other things in the 'new' gnome world. Edit your .xsession file to specify the series of commands you want run when you log in. If you put some shell script that knows how to pop up a graphical prompt for your ssh password you should be able to even have a secured private key (without using ssh-agent). ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] X over lan is nice, but a pain starting up.
I now have a seecion script for gdm which runs: exec /usr/bin/ssh -CAnq remote /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession IceWM Which works fine. It also doesn't frighten my mom or brother away with a command line. ;-) This setup would make a nifty demo, someone could bring in an old 486/586 and set it up as a dummy x termnial, hopefuly without a hard drive and show off it running software over the ethernet at good speeds. Then unplug the cable and watch everything butthe mouse stop then start up again when it's plugged back in (just don't let ssh time out in the meantime). On Thursday 04 April 2002 10:45 pm, you wrote: On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:01:49AM -0800, Ryan wrote: Well, I've managed to setup an old pentium box as an x termnial, and I like it very much. Tunneled over a compressed ssh connection, the lag is hardly noticable. If you are on a LAN, just disable the compression and things should be faster. If not you might want to try level 1 compression instead of 6 which is the default. It's not really a problem at 6. I will try setting it to 1 in the login script. I can get a remote window manager by going in to gdm and seleting failsafe xterm then running 'ssh -Cf foo blackbox' but this is annoying. Is there a way to automate this with gdm? This is a theory that has not been tested or researched... it's possible that you have to do other things in the 'new' gnome world. Edit your .xsession file to specify the series of commands you want run when you log in. If you put some shell script that knows how to pop up a graphical prompt for your ssh password you should be able to even have a secured private key (without using ssh-agent). I know it's not the most secure thing in the world, but it's convient and my private lan is behind a firewall. I could also just stick the private keys on floppys or cds If anyone knows how to get ssh-askpass to popup instead of asking for the pass on a command line, i'd like to hear it. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] X over lan is nice, but a pain starting up.
On Thursday 04 April 2002 11:35 pm, you wrote: I now have a seecion script for gdm which runs: exec /usr/bin/ssh -CAnq remote /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession IceWM Which works fine. It also doesn't frighten my mom or brother away with a command line. ;-) This setup would make a nifty demo, someone could bring in an old 486/586 and set it up as a dummy x termnial, hopefuly without a hard drive and show off it running software over the ethernet at good speeds. Then unplug the cable and watch everything butthe mouse stop then start up again when it's plugged back in (just don't let ssh time out in the meantime). On Thursday 04 April 2002 10:45 pm, you wrote: On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 11:01:49AM -0800, Ryan wrote: Well, I've managed to setup an old pentium box as an x termnial, and I like it very much. Tunneled over a compressed ssh connection, the lag is hardly noticable. If you are on a LAN, just disable the compression and things should be faster. If not you might want to try level 1 compression instead of 6 which is the default. It's not really a problem at 6. I will try setting it to 1 in the login script. I can get a remote window manager by going in to gdm and seleting failsafe xterm then running 'ssh -Cf foo blackbox' but this is annoying. Is there a way to automate this with gdm? This is a theory that has not been tested or researched... it's possible that you have to do other things in the 'new' gnome world. Edit your .xsession file to specify the series of commands you want run when you log in. If you put some shell script that knows how to pop up a graphical prompt for your ssh password you should be able to even have a secured private key (without using ssh-agent). I know it's not the most secure thing in the world, but it's convient and my private lan is behind a firewall. I could also just stick the private keys on floppys or cds If anyone knows how to get ssh-askpass to popup instead of asking for the pass on a command line, i'd like to hear it. Err if you run it without a console it'll ask you in a popup window. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
