[vox-tech] Re: flash game
That flash game of Richards is awesome! I wish I could do that on my bicycle! It reminds me of another flash game called Scooterdeath, where you throw bricks at people on folding aluminum scooters. Yeah! Bicycle power! Really though, I don't want to hit anybody, I just drank a bottle of jolt today. Nick ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Firefox question (long shot)
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:05:55 -0800, Richard S. Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [..] I chmod'ed it to 755, chowned it, and uploaded it to my personal > website. [...] Just to be picky.. 644 would work fine... as would 444 for the paranoid. This isn't an executable as far as the OS is concerned. -- Mitch ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
Probably a glitch with the Sarge installer setting up grub. Post the grub.conf file to the list for analysis. Here is a blip from one of my multiboot systems you may gleen some info from. Note, to get the XP system to boot I have to remap the drives so XP thinks it is on the master drive. Ubuntu boots fine on hdb as well as XP. title Fedora Core (2.4.22-1.2174.nptl) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ #hdc=ide-scsi rhgb initrd /initrd-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl.img title Linux 2.6.3 root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.3 ro root=LABEL=/ initrd /initrd-2.6.3.img title Windows XPee rootnoverify (hd1,0) makeactive map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) chainloader +1 title Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386 root(hd1,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386 savedefault boot On Wednesday 23 February 2005 07:25, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > Hi all, > > My computer at work is a WinXP system. Yesterday I used a Debian Sarge > official installer to make the system into a dual boot system. Everything > went fine until the reboot. When the system reboots, I see: > >Grub loading stage 1.5 >Grub loading, please wait... >Error 21 > > The system doesn't boot at all. > > This is most embarrasing. I asked for permission to install Linux, and was > given a bunch of reasons why I shouldn't. After insisting and making my > arguments why Linux would be good for me, they grudgingly said "If you > must, but don't come crying to us if you need support". Ooops. -- Mark Street, RHCE http://www.oswizards.com -- Key fingerprint = 3949 39E4 6317 7C3C 023E 2B1F 6FB3 06E7 D109 56C0 GPG key http://www.oswizards.com/pubkey.asc ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Firefox question (long shot)
On Tuesday 22 February 2005 10:12 pm, Foo Lim flailed at a keyboard and produced this: > Whoops.. Sorry. I didn't read all the messages before replying.. =/ Heh. Like I said, I found the compiled .swf file lurking in the /tmp directory. I chmod'ed it to 755, chowned it, and uploaded it to my personal website. So all is good. :-D -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford (mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) AIM: Buffalo2K / http://www.mossroot.com "You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus." -Mark Twain GPG Public Key located at: http://www.mossroot.com/rscrawford.asc pgpcCG6tExZ0I.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
Quoting Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): [travails:] >* In BIOS, try setting the IDE list to autodetect. > > In other words, "play with it". Also spelled "ATA is underengineered". >* If I want to back off on this, I can revert to WinXP only by booting a > DOS disk and doing "fdisk /MBR". I assume this works even for WinXP > (meaning that WinXP uses the same zeroth stage bootloader that Win95 > did). (AKA MS-DOS 7.0 with a Windows 4.0 shell). Which in turn is the same as the MBR bootloader of many preceding MS-DOS versions. Yes. This does seem to be the case. And here's an open-source functional equivalent, by the way: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ms-sys/ It's installable into the MBR 446-byte boot area in sector zero from Linux. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
On Wed 23 Feb 05, 8:42 AM, Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Quoting Chris Jenks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > I can sure sympathize. I just got through "playing" with my Dad's > > system, with Debian on the primary master and WinXP on the secondary > > master. He is leery of getting stuck in Linux, so being unable to boot > > Linux for several months didn't help! The symptoms were, using a recent > > install of Sarge from CD, that grub would repeat "GRUB GRUB ...", or LILO > > would give "L 99 99..." or "L 02 02..." depending on whether I reran lilo. > > The fix was to go into the bios and change the setting for the primary > > master (containing Linux) from "auto" to "user", which caused the setting > > for the number of heads for the disk to change from 16 (I think) to 255, > > and reduced the number of clusters. This allowed Debian to boot, but > > Windows would hang. I had to remap the drives in lilo.conf to get Windows > > to boot properly. > > You can alternatively provide the drive geometry settings explicitly in > a lilo.conf "append=" directive. > > ...while, of course, also sacrificing a chicken to the insane gods of > ATA. ...while chanting "ATA Akbar!" Pete PS- Would this joke be considered PC or non-PC? ;) -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
Quoting Chris Jenks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I can sure sympathize. I just got through "playing" with my Dad's > system, with Debian on the primary master and WinXP on the secondary > master. He is leery of getting stuck in Linux, so being unable to boot > Linux for several months didn't help! The symptoms were, using a recent > install of Sarge from CD, that grub would repeat "GRUB GRUB ...", or LILO > would give "L 99 99..." or "L 02 02..." depending on whether I reran lilo. > The fix was to go into the bios and change the setting for the primary > master (containing Linux) from "auto" to "user", which caused the setting > for the number of heads for the disk to change from 16 (I think) to 255, > and reduced the number of clusters. This allowed Debian to boot, but > Windows would hang. I had to remap the drives in lilo.conf to get Windows > to boot properly. You can alternatively provide the drive geometry settings explicitly in a lilo.conf "append=" directive. ...while, of course, also sacrificing a chicken to the insane gods of ATA. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
On Wed 23 Feb 05, 7:52 AM, Chris Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >My computer at work is a WinXP system. Yesterday I used a Debian Sarge > >official installer to make the system into a dual boot system. Everything > >went fine until the reboot. When the system reboots, I see: > > > > Grub loading stage 1.5 > > Grub loading, please wait... > > Error 21 > > > >The system doesn't boot at all. > > Dear Peter, > > I can sure sympathize. I just got through "playing" with my Dad's > system, with Debian on the primary master and WinXP on the secondary > master. He is leery of getting stuck in Linux, so being unable to boot > Linux for several months didn't help! The symptoms were, using a recent > install of Sarge from CD, that grub would repeat "GRUB GRUB ...", or LILO > would give "L 99 99..." or "L 02 02..." depending on whether I reran lilo. > The fix was to go into the bios and change the setting for the primary > master (containing Linux) from "auto" to "user", which caused the setting > for the number of heads for the disk to change from 16 (I think) to 255, > and reduced the number of clusters. This allowed Debian to boot, Interesting. At some point, I should like to understand this. I feel like I understand the boot process, but every so often, something like this happens to show me that I really know 'nuttin. I like this suggestion because: * Like Jon's suggestion, I don't have to monkey with cables and pins. * What I forgot mention in my post is that I used Timo's rescue disk to use lilo (which I'm more familiar with). When I reboot using lilo as the primary bootloader, I saw: 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 07 and "07" is very close to your "02". Just kidding. :) Anyhow, after my lilo idea didn't pan out, I reinstalled Debian hoping that a cosmic ray launched from Rigel-7 found its way into the CPU the instant grub was installing, causing it to do the Wrong Thing. Unfortunately, either grub just didn't want to work or there were two cosmic rays from Rigel-7... > but Windows would hang. I had to remap the drives in lilo.conf to get > Windows to boot properly. Yeah, I'm come head to head with this one too. On my gaming machine, I've had to remap the drives with grub. I'm sure there's a way to do that with lilo too, but I don't know how. So all my computers use lilo except for that one machine. Grub has some nice features, but I have to admit, I've spent so much time learning lilo, I think I may be suffering from old dog learning new tricks syndrome. Thanks for the suggestion! Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
On Wed 23 Feb 05, 7:49 AM, Jonathan Stickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >My computer at work is a WinXP system. Yesterday I used a Debian Sarge > >official installer to make the system into a dual boot system. Everything > >went fine until the reboot. When the system reboots, I see: > > > > Grub loading stage 1.5 > > Grub loading, please wait... > > Error 21 > > > >The system doesn't boot at all. > > My guess is the grub install got messed up. You can try re-installing > grub from a linux self-boot CD. I've done this a couple times using > Knoppix, so I know it works. Once Knoppix boots up, get a terminal, > become root, and run "grub". Then do something like (pasted from gentoo > install manual): > > grub> root (hd0,0) (Specify where your /boot partition resides) > grub> setup (hd0) (Install GRUB in the MBR) > grub> quit (Exit the GRUB shell) > > You can do tab completion for the "hdx,x" part to see if everything is > detected properly. I /think/ grub uses BIOS info for this (but I could > be wrong). That's what I've read during my Googling. What worries me is if grub didn't detect the drives during the reboot phase of the installation, I'm hoping it does the right thing when Knoppix is running. > Grub will also fail very early if it can't find your /boot/grub/menu.1st > file. I would double check that it exists and looks correct. Cool. I like this much better than swapping out grounding pins or IDE cables. I'll give this a try first. Don't go into work until Thursday, but I'll give a status report when something new develops. Also, I'll try downloading a new version of the Sarge Beta installer. I'm sure a new one was released since I downloaded my current copy. Thanks! Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Hi all, My computer at work is a WinXP system. Yesterday I used a Debian Sarge official installer to make the system into a dual boot system. Everything went fine until the reboot. When the system reboots, I see: Grub loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait... Error 21 The system doesn't boot at all. Dear Peter, I can sure sympathize. I just got through "playing" with my Dad's system, with Debian on the primary master and WinXP on the secondary master. He is leery of getting stuck in Linux, so being unable to boot Linux for several months didn't help! The symptoms were, using a recent install of Sarge from CD, that grub would repeat "GRUB GRUB ...", or LILO would give "L 99 99..." or "L 02 02..." depending on whether I reran lilo. The fix was to go into the bios and change the setting for the primary master (containing Linux) from "auto" to "user", which caused the setting for the number of heads for the disk to change from 16 (I think) to 255, and reduced the number of clusters. This allowed Debian to boot, but Windows would hang. I had to remap the drives in lilo.conf to get Windows to boot properly. Yours, Chris ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Hi all, My computer at work is a WinXP system. Yesterday I used a Debian Sarge official installer to make the system into a dual boot system. Everything went fine until the reboot. When the system reboots, I see: Grub loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait... Error 21 The system doesn't boot at all. My guess is the grub install got messed up. You can try re-installing grub from a linux self-boot CD. I've done this a couple times using Knoppix, so I know it works. Once Knoppix boots up, get a terminal, become root, and run "grub". Then do something like (pasted from gentoo install manual): grub> root (hd0,0) (Specify where your /boot partition resides) grub> setup (hd0) (Install GRUB in the MBR) grub> quit (Exit the GRUB shell) You can do tab completion for the "hdx,x" part to see if everything is detected properly. I /think/ grub uses BIOS info for this (but I could be wrong). Grub will also fail very early if it can't find your /boot/grub/menu.1st file. I would double check that it exists and looks correct. HTH, Jonathan ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Help - Grub error 21
Hi all, My computer at work is a WinXP system. Yesterday I used a Debian Sarge official installer to make the system into a dual boot system. Everything went fine until the reboot. When the system reboots, I see: Grub loading stage 1.5 Grub loading, please wait... Error 21 The system doesn't boot at all. This is most embarrasing. I asked for permission to install Linux, and was given a bunch of reasons why I shouldn't. After insisting and making my arguments why Linux would be good for me, they grudgingly said "If you must, but don't come crying to us if you need support". Ooops. I did some Googling, and this is what I found: * If the hard drive and CDROM drive are master/slave on the same cable, try putting them on separate IDE channels. * If the hard drive and CDROM drive are master/slave on different cables, try making them cable select. * If the hard drive and CDROM drive are master/slave on the same cable and set by cable select, try making them master/slave. * In BIOS, try setting the IDE list to autodetect. In other words, "play with it".:( Oh brother. The computer has a lock on it, but luckily lock picking is a hobby of mine, and I'm confident I can pick the lock very quickly. What I also found is: * If I want to back off on this, I can revert to WinXP only by booting a DOS disk and doing "fdisk /MBR". I assume this works even for WinXP (meaning that WinXP uses the same zeroth stage bootloader that Win95 did). * Error 21 means that grub couldn't find the disk. Since grub relies on BIOS for disk detection, that would explain the "playing with it" steps I previously mentioned. * For some reason, the Debian boot *floppy* doesn't boot on this machine. It gives some uncharacteristically vague error message (uncharacteristic for Debian): "Boot failed. Press a key to retry." * Timo's rescue CD does boot on this computer. * LNX-BBC boots on this CD. * Both operating system are clearly still on the system. * System topology is: hda: NTFS (winxp) hdb: NTFS (winxp) hdb: ext3 (Linux) So that's pretty much what I know and what I think I know. If anybody has anything further to add to this, I would sure appreciate it. This is highly embarrasing. I *really* don't want to eat crow for this. Thanks, Peter -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Three Install Questions
On Tue 22 Feb 05, 10:49 PM, Karsten M. Self said: > on Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:58:35AM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Hi Wilson, > > > > The "swap is double RAM" (hereafter "SIDR") rule is _really_ outdated. I > > believe it even predates Linux. At the very least, it predates when *I* > > started to use Linux. > > Peter, that's the myth (that 2x RAM is obsolete) I specifically > addressed in my post. Read it and Martin Pool's essay. SIDR *is* a > decent rule of thumb. > > Moreso because it's easy to increase RAM (drop in another DIMM). > Adding additional swap partitions is a PITA (more on why more memory => > more swap below), so you might as well plan ahead. My rule of thumb: But the whole premise is that there's no NEED to add swap if there's no need to add swap. Ask yourself - why would a computer suddenly need more swap? If your answer is "I dunno", then it simply makes no sense to "plan ahead". OTOH, if your answser is "because within a week, this system will support 20 users, and if my advertising department does their job correctly, I hope to have 200 users next month", then yeah, "planning ahead" makes a whole lot of sense. OTOH, if you're worried about leaky apps (which I've rarely seen on Linux, although I'm sure they exist) then why not just tell Wilson to make larger swap partitions? Why should he have blank partitions for *future* swap partitions for when he adds RAM? > > If your computer isn't using swap to begin with, there is no reason for you > > to increase swap. > > Largely correct, and this is where the discussion should focus: how is > the system currently performing? Are you constantly paging (bad: need > more RAM) or running into OOM conditions (bad: if not paging heavily, > more swap, if paging heavily, more RAM). > > > With memory for home systems relatively cheap these days if you ever > > hear or see your computer swapping, go out and buy yourself another > > DIMM (if you're using Linux). > > Right. > > But swap is a fraction the cost of RAM. > >512 MiB DIMM: ~$100 - 150. >512 MiB swap: ~$0.50. Not a convincing argument. Your ears (and patience!) should determine how much RAM you need. Not price. What's the point of the price argument if you have to wait 5 seconds for firefox to become resident? > Economizing on swap is IMO *extremely* false economy. With a current > system of 1 GiB max RAM and 200 GiB disk, you're allocating *1%* of your > disk to swap, at 2x max RAM. That's going to cost you ~$1-2 of disk > storage (you're losing far more in reserve and block allocation). What > you're buying is insurance against OOM, as well as better kernel balancing > of VM (Pool's essay, I told you to read it already). I say do it. I will, and will read it with an open mind. > SIDR lives. I certainly won't deny THAT fact. It's very difficult to rip dogma out of our collective consciousness. I have a system with 2GB of RAM. This machine is a gaming/playing/programming machine. To date, I've NEVER seen even one byte of swap used. Not even one bit. Not in the 2 years I've owned this machine. Are you seriously advocating that I should whip out partition magic and create a 4 GB swap partition? If so, I think we should just agree to disagree... :) Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] OCR on the fly
on Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 04:45:38PM -0800, Dave Margolis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Does anyone know of a program that I could run a few thousand GIF images > through, perform an OCR-like operation on each, and get some kind of > text back for putting into a database for searching purposes. > > I'm looking into making my collection of daily comics searchable. I > know the fonts in most comics don't lend themselves to very good OCR, > but I'm thinking a certain margin of error would be acceptable. > > And in case you're wondering, no, I'm not planning to make this > public...just for me. No specific pointers, mostly bad news... I've looked at a few free GNU/Linux-based OCR solutions and found *very* mixed results. Output is *highly* dependent on inputs, and poor quality, dirty, misaligned, etc., images dramatically impact quality. I'm not sure what the paid-up options are. One alternative that works very well for Groklaw is the IGM method. That's Internet group mind. Piece out the material to be OCRd, have different people text it, and assemble the results. For dealing with legal faxes, it's great (I can testify to this, having typed out a few myself). Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? I call bullshit on that one, sorry, no man pages no docs. Come on now, what are they supposed do? Call up the Psychic Hotline? - tek, describing GNOME documentation, on linux-elitists signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
