Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
On Sunday 06 March 2005 13:55, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > I suspect one of my machines has bad RAM. > > Out of the blue, Unreal Tournament occaisionally segfaults. > > Then Nero is no longer capable of verifying burned DVDs in Windows. When I > boot into Linux, the burned files on DVD and resident files on the hard > drive have the same md5sum, so Nero's verification is faulty. The burn > looks good. Verification is ill. > > Played some Quake3 while KDE libs were downloading, and it just segfaulted. > It never did that before. In fact, none of these things ever happened > before. > > Everything on both OS's points to bad RAM. The RAM is only 2 or 3 years > old. Is it unheard of for RAM to die that quickly? > > I've never run memtest86 before, but I got it running right now. Aptitude > got it, made a boot floppy and it's running. Looks like it may take > awhile. > > I've never come across this piece of bad luck before. Any other tools to > look at? I only knew of memtest86 from this mailing list. > > Any other words of wisdom? Except for the odd hard drive, all my machines > outlived their usefulness rather than components dying before their time. > This is a new one on me. > > At this point, I'm *hoping* memtest86 tell me to replace a DIMM because > otherwise, I'm at a complete loss. > > Pete I've had two instances of bad RAM in the last two years but both were right out of the package and I was able to get them replaced. Don't overdo it with memtest86. I found that if I ran it long enough, everything would start to overheat and it would begin reporting errors. In particular, one set of memory ran fine for about an hour, then started showing errors. But the temperature was near cut-off at all three sample points. I kept the memory and I've had no problem for several months. Richard Harke ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
Quoting Karsten Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com): > You do realize, of course, that it's almost always possible to run an > application without any regard for its containing environment. > > Except, of course, in the case of GNOME apps: > > http://bugs.debian.org/230756 Wow, all my worst suspicions about Nautilus and GNOME brain-damage confirmed, in one neat little bug report. -- Cheers, Rick MoenMagnus frater spectat te. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sunday 06 March 2005 20:57, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > Speaking for myself: > > > >- GNOME has an alarming tendency to make like a supercharged VW > Beatle on a ice-slicked Colorado mountain road: continuous 360s > until it plunges headline over a 1500' abyss. The number of major > direction/architecture changes the project's been through, and the > willingless it's demonstrated to change allegiances (toolkits, > target audience, design intent, preferred application set) makes me > treat it like a rabid, pregnant, injured rhino: with a great deal > of cirucumspection but not necessarially with any intent to turn it > into a favorite house pet. > >- Another remarkably charming feature of GNOME is the way it > encourages the user to make fantastic journeys through unfamiliar > territory. Setting, say, MIME associations in your web browser > requires firing up a sort of bastardized psychopathic cross-breed > excuse of a file-mangler-cum-desktop-icon-manager, called Nautilus. > Then it's merely a straightforward matter of a half dozen > mouse-clicks, a newts eye, three waves of the rubber chicken > (counterclockwise -- this is often omitted by the user and is > contrary to the specs in the prior revisions docs). Browser proxy > specification is similarly conveniently located in another totally > separate application. > >Sometimes. You'll need to cross a few > swamps from time to time, though. This was fun to read. Nice use of simile and metaphor. This reminds of of Joe Arruda; Mr. Zen. What ever happened to him? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
On Sun 06 Mar 05, 8:59 PM, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > >What a horror story! If it IS the mother board, maybe I'll get myself that > >dual Opteron I've been thinking about for the past year or so. > > > (useless but possibly entertaining attempt at humor) > I can tell from here the mother board is bad and you'll need the dual > Opteron. Come to think of it, the video board and the monitor are > looking a little weak too:-) Heh. I actually LOL'd. Thanks! :) Status Report: Memtest output seemed to indicate the slot 0 RAM. I first removed the slot 1 RAM first since it's easier (doesn't need to be replaced, whereas there always needs to be something in slot 0). Memtest segfaulted again. Removed slot 0 RAM and replaced it with what used to be slot 1 RAM. So far, so good. No segfaults. I have a feeling this baby's going to go all night, so I'll just leave it running. My worst nightmare was a DIMM slot. Thanks heavens it looks like a failed DIMM... Pete (who keeps looking over his should to make sure memtest hasn't segfaulted on the monitor across the room). -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
Peter Jay Salzman wrote: What a horror story! If it IS the mother board, maybe I'll get myself that dual Opteron I've been thinking about for the past year or so. (useless but possibly entertaining attempt at humor) I can tell from here the mother board is bad and you'll need the dual Opteron. Come to think of it, the video board and the monitor are looking a little weak too:-) ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
on Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:31:11PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I was thinking of installing a DE on one of my computers. Don't > really know much about them. Never really payed much attention. I've > always used twm or Enlightenment when I wanted eye-candy. > > I plan on installing KDE on a test basis to see how I like it unless > there are any issues why I should install Gnome instead. Um. Any reason you can't do both and choose the one you want? Or another WM/DE? > Any compelling reason to use Gnome instead of KDE? Yeah: one of them fits your preferences, usage habits, and needs better than the other. Speaking for myself: - I use WindowMaker. Light, fast, stable, out of my face, nice configuration tool, good existing keybindings, easy to configure / modify / add additional keybindings. - I've used most of the mainstream (and non-mainstream) WMs. GNOME and KDE both strike me as annoying, in general, though for less technical users, they've got their place. I'm partial toward XFCE4 for newbs -- it's got a straightforward interface, is sort of Mac OS X-like, tends to be friendly. - GNOME works really well if you've accepted your role within the GNOME Gulag. Of course, if you _don't_ feel that Havoc is the Font Of All Things HIG, you're going to find life a trifle...annoying. I find GNOME developer hubris to be grating in the extreme. Particularly the closed-loop logic refuting all user feedback: - GNOME's target demographic is non-technical users. - Non-technical users aren't qualified to comment on design issues. - Technical users aren't GNOME's target demographic. - GNOME has an alarming tendency to make like a supercharged VW Beatle on a ice-slicked Colorado mountain road: continuous 360s until it plunges headline over a 1500' abyss. The number of major direction/architecture changes the project's been through, and the willingless it's demonstrated to change allegiances (toolkits, target audience, design intent, preferred application set) makes me treat it like a rabid, pregnant, injured rhino: with a great deal of cirucumspection but not necessarially with any intent to turn it into a favorite house pet. - Another remarkably charming feature of GNOME is the way it encourages the user to make fantastic journeys through unfamiliar territory. Setting, say, MIME associations in your web browser requires firing up a sort of bastardized psychopathic cross-breed excuse of a file-mangler-cum-desktop-icon-manager, called Nautilus. Then it's merely a straightforward matter of a half dozen mouse-clicks, a newts eye, three waves of the rubber chicken (counterclockwise -- this is often omitted by the user and is contrary to the specs in the prior revisions docs). Browser proxy specification is similarly conveniently located in another totally separate application. - KDE doesn't exhibit quite the same level of psychotic extravegance (is this what they call damning with faint praise), and indeed seems to have a few things remarkably well tought out. Sean Perry made some offhand comments following a LUGoD presentation some years ago which suggest that its (KDE's, not LUGoD's) object- orientatedness was the basis for a certain level of sanity, such as the ability to embed access to various configuration utilities within separate apps: the app developer needn't reinvent the wheel, and the user need not go traipsing across the frozen tundra in search of a setting. Sometimes. You'll need to cross a few swamps from time to time, though. > I definitely don't want to run a display manager, and I'd like to keep > Enlightenment as a wm. I assume KDE can handle that You do realize, of course, that it's almost always possible to run an application without any regard for its containing environment. Except, of course, in the case of GNOME apps: http://bugs.debian.org/230756 Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Reject EU Software Patents! http://swpat.ffii.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
on Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 04:55:14PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I suspect one of my machines has bad RAM. I believe in corporal punishment: beat your stick! > Out of the blue, Unreal Tournament occaisionally segfaults. > > Then Nero is no longer capable of verifying burned DVDs in Windows. > When I boot into Linux, the burned files on DVD and resident files on > the hard drive have the same md5sum, so Nero's verification is faulty. > The burn looks good. Verification is ill. > > Played some Quake3 while KDE libs were downloading, and it just > segfaulted. It never did that before. In fact, none of these things > ever happened before. > > Everything on both OS's points to bad RAM. The RAM is only 2 or 3 > years old. Is it unheard of for RAM to die that quickly? Several possibilities: - Various permutations on bad RAM / slots. - Bad caps (more below). - Bad CPU. - Other mobo components. > I've never run memtest86 before, but I got it running right now. > Aptitude got it, made a boot floppy and it's running. Looks like it > may take awhile. You want memtest86+ It can be run as a boot option via GRUB/LILO. /usr/share/docs/memtest86+ has the appropriate stanzas. > I've never come across this piece of bad luck before. Any other tools > to look at? I only knew of memtest86 from this mailing list. - memtest86+: test RAM. 1-12 hours recommended. - cpuburn: stress CPU / cooling system. 5-20 minutes recommended. - Several alternatives, including disk tests, in the event of, say, bad swap, controllers. > Any other words of wisdom? Except for the odd hard drive, all my > machines outlived their usefulness rather than components dying before > their time. This is a new one on me. What hit me last summer: bad capacitors. There was a batch released about 2-3 years ago, and they're starting to fail with increasing frequency. Fortunately, you can sometimes visually scan for 'em. Brown crud on the largish, tall cylinders (think a knuckle or two of your pinkie finger) is a sign of things Not Good[tm]. My symptoms were increasingly frequent hard freezes in various circumstances, ranging from light CPU loads, to overnight w/ no apparent cause. - memtest86+ produced pretty spectacular random character painting across thet screen, in certain tests (it runs a range of test, IIRC, 5 or 7 was where things went south). - cpuburn failed out pretty fast. - Swapping RAM sticks (had to buy one for this purpose) made no change. Likewise, swapping banks. Got myself up to 1 GiB on account of this Visually inspecting mobo showed brown crud. My vendor kindly repaired the damage w/o charge on account of a GNU/Linux tips page I've written about their kit. Thanks again, CappuccinoPC. No repeat since repair. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? So many men, so many opinions. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
on Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 01:18:21PM -0800, Troy Arnold ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:31:11PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > > > Any compelling reason to use Gnome instead of KDE? > > Sure: > Think about what happened to Galeon when the gnome project got its > grubby little usability hands on it. You can follow some of that discussion on the galeon-user list. I'm a subscriber and participant. To its credit: Galeon has recovered much of the functionality lost in the 1.2 => 1.3 transition. To its debit: the Galeon dev team remain largely deaf to criticisms, exhibiting all classic signs of GNOMEitis[1]. A classic current example is tab navigation. The current tab widget doesn't allow scrolling of the tab *bar* without also cycling tabs themselves. It's as if scrolling, say, the thumbnails display in a PDF viewer jumped you through the document itself. Response: "This is GtkNotebook behaviour". Um ...if the widget / widget set does _the wrong thing_ then either change the widget, write a replacement, or use a different widget set. Mind: "We'd like to fix that but don't have the time ATM" would be an acceptable answer. The problem is Crispin's so brain-locked he can't even see the problem. I wrote a laundry list of issues, desirable features, and general notes on Galeon (and browsers in general) to the list this February, response from Crispin Flowerday (primary Galeon dev): http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10885824 The dev response was slightly, but not overall, encouraging. What Galeon could very much use is an alternate dev team. I'm not there in my coding skills, but would strongly encourage anyone who has ability and interest. Peace. Notes: 1. Essentially a tight loop of circular reasoning: 1. GNOME is designed for the naive user. 2. Naive users are not qualified to comment on design decisions. 3. Experienced/technical user are not the target demographic, and any input is dismissed. I can't recommend my own brief compendium, Jeff Waugh in his own words, an agony in seven fits, strongly enough: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2004-January/008588.html -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? First come first served. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DVD burning front ends
On Sun 06 Mar 05, 8:15 PM, Robert G. Scofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sunday 06 March 2005 09:21, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > What program on Linux most closely resembles Nero for DVD burning in both > > interface and features? > > I'm not that familiar with Nero though I have used it once I think. (It's on > the family computer.) I also don't burn DVD's. But KDE's K3b should > probably be considered one of the greatest achievements of the Linux desktop. > > Bob Thanks for the recommendation. As soon as I figure out the RAM problem, I plan on installing KDE on that machine, so k3b is definitely going to be the first thing I look at. I'm hoping getting KDE to run is as simple as putting "exec kdeinit" in .xinitrc. Otherwise, I may need to do some ... reading. :( Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
Quoting Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > In response to Rick, this machine is a gaming machine, and it does get > rather hot. I ran memtest86 three times, and all three times memtest86 > bombed with a "general protection fault". It looks like the first DIMM may > have gone bad. > > I'll swap it out and see if memtest can run to completion... Yes. Sometimes, the only way you can narrow down the cause is to run multiple 12-hour runs of memtest86, each with a different stick of RAM _extracted_ from the machine. I even once had a horror story where every one of those runs ran to completion with no errors, but then memtest86 showed RAM errors whenever I put in _all_ the sticks, regardless of which stick sat in which socket. Eventually, I figured out that the _memory socket_ (i.e., socket on the motherboard) for one of the high-numbered memory banks had gone bad. (Technically, it was probably some of the motherboard's support circuitry for that socket.) _That_ was likely to have been heat damage. In any event, your main weapon is logic. (I hate that. ;-> ) ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DVD burning front ends
On Sunday 06 March 2005 09:21, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > What program on Linux most closely resembles Nero for DVD burning in both > interface and features? I'm not that familiar with Nero though I have used it once I think. (It's on the family computer.) I also don't burn DVD's. But KDE's K3b should probably be considered one of the greatest achievements of the Linux desktop. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
on Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 10:12:24AM -0800, Rod Roark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sunday 06 March 2005 09:31 am, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > I definitely don't want to run a display manager, and I'd like to keep > > Enlightenment as a wm. I assume KDE can handle that > > You can run KDE and Gnome apps under other desktop > environments. Of course they will link to big chunks of the > respective libraries, so you may not gain much in terms of > reducing bloatware. > > However the KDE and Gnome desktops include their own window > managers -- I've never heard of running the KDE desktop per > se under Enlightenment. I'm not entirely up on who supports what, but, for example, WMaker can be used as the WM for both GNOME and KDE. Or could at points in past. With full support of the various DE symantics. Mind: if you'll tolerate a certain level of missing features, you can pretty much run _any_ WM within a given DE. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. - Princess Bride signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
What a horror story! If it IS the mother board, maybe I'll get myself that dual Opteron I've been thinking about for the past year or so. In response to Rick, this machine is a gaming machine, and it does get rather hot. I ran memtest86 three times, and all three times memtest86 bombed with a "general protection fault". It looks like the first DIMM may have gone bad. I'll swap it out and see if memtest can run to completion... Pete On Sun 06 Mar 05, 3:54 PM, Mark K. Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > We once had a mother board with bad RAM bank at an installfest. The > computer had two RAM sticks and Linux wouldn't install so we tried > removing the second bank's RAM, and everything installed fine. So we > initially thought it was bad RAM, but we tried swapping the two RAM sticks > and the computer still worked fine. So we deduced that it was probably > the bank with bad connection or something like that. We recommended to > the installee that if they wanted to upgrade the RAM then they should just > get one large RAM stick instead of trying to add more (not that there was > any more banks to add RAMs to.) > > -Mark > > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > > I suspect one of my machines has bad RAM. > > > > Out of the blue, Unreal Tournament occaisionally segfaults. > > > > Then Nero is no longer capable of verifying burned DVDs in Windows. When I > > boot into Linux, the burned files on DVD and resident files on the hard > > drive have the same md5sum, so Nero's verification is faulty. The burn > > looks good. Verification is ill. > > > > Played some Quake3 while KDE libs were downloading, and it just segfaulted. > > It never did that before. In fact, none of these things ever happened > > before. > > > > Everything on both OS's points to bad RAM. The RAM is only 2 or 3 years > > old. Is it unheard of for RAM to die that quickly? > > > > I've never run memtest86 before, but I got it running right now. Aptitude > > got it, made a boot floppy and it's running. Looks like it may take awhile. > > > > I've never come across this piece of bad luck before. Any other tools to > > look at? I only knew of memtest86 from this mailing list. > > > > Any other words of wisdom? Except for the odd hard drive, all my machines > > outlived their usefulness rather than components dying before their time. > > This is a new one on me. > > > > At this point, I'm *hoping* memtest86 tell me to replace a DIMM because > > otherwise, I'm at a complete loss. > > > > Pete > > > > -- > > Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com > > > > GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D > > ___ > > vox-tech mailing list > > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > > > -- > Mark K. Kim > AIM: markus kimius > Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ > Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci > Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 > PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE > PGP key available on the homepage > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sunday 06 March 2005 9:31 am, Peter Jay Salzman flailed at a keyboard and produced this: > I was thinking of installing a DE on one of my computers. Don't really know > much about them. Never really payed much attention. I've always used twm > or Enlightenment when I wanted eye-candy. > > I plan on installing KDE on a test basis to see how I like it unless there > are any issues why I should install Gnome instead. > > Any compelling reason to use Gnome instead of KDE? > > I definitely don't want to run a display manager, and I'd like to keep > Enlightenment as a wm. I assume KDE can handle that I used to use Gnome; I switched to KDE about two months ago and I haven't looked back. On the other hand, I know people who have gone in exactly the opposite direction. I suspect it's all a matter of personal taste. I can't think of any compelling reason to use one or the other; I've run Gnome apps under KDE and vice versa, though they require sizable installations of their respective libraries. I've also used Enlightenment with KDE and with Gnome, and I've used Fluxbox on top of KDE as well. I didn't care for either of them personally, but, as I said, when it comes to a desktop environment, a lot of it really is just personal preference. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford (mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) AIM: Buffalo2K / http://www.mossroot.com "You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus." -Mark Twain GPG Public Key located at: http://www.mossroot.com/rscrawford.asc pgpYOELWK2ZJy.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
Quoting Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I suspect one of my machines has bad RAM. [...] > Everything on both OS's points to bad RAM. The RAM is only 2 or 3 years > old. Is it unheard of for RAM to die that quickly? It's heard of, particularly if you have (1) weak power supplies, (2) heat problems, or (3) both. Gamer boxes often _do_ have both. > I've never run memtest86 before, but I got it running right now. Aptitude > got it, made a boot floppy and it's running. Looks like it may take awhile. Run memtest at least overnight. The short runs most often don't catch bad RAM sticks, but the more-extensive runs most often do. > I've never come across this piece of bad luck before. Any other tools to > look at? I only knew of memtest86 from this mailing list. There are actually two forks of memtest86; I believe the other's called memtest86+ . ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
We once had a mother board with bad RAM bank at an installfest. The computer had two RAM sticks and Linux wouldn't install so we tried removing the second bank's RAM, and everything installed fine. So we initially thought it was bad RAM, but we tried swapping the two RAM sticks and the computer still worked fine. So we deduced that it was probably the bank with bad connection or something like that. We recommended to the installee that if they wanted to upgrade the RAM then they should just get one large RAM stick instead of trying to add more (not that there was any more banks to add RAMs to.) -Mark On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > I suspect one of my machines has bad RAM. > > Out of the blue, Unreal Tournament occaisionally segfaults. > > Then Nero is no longer capable of verifying burned DVDs in Windows. When I > boot into Linux, the burned files on DVD and resident files on the hard > drive have the same md5sum, so Nero's verification is faulty. The burn > looks good. Verification is ill. > > Played some Quake3 while KDE libs were downloading, and it just segfaulted. > It never did that before. In fact, none of these things ever happened > before. > > Everything on both OS's points to bad RAM. The RAM is only 2 or 3 years > old. Is it unheard of for RAM to die that quickly? > > I've never run memtest86 before, but I got it running right now. Aptitude > got it, made a boot floppy and it's running. Looks like it may take awhile. > > I've never come across this piece of bad luck before. Any other tools to > look at? I only knew of memtest86 from this mailing list. > > Any other words of wisdom? Except for the odd hard drive, all my machines > outlived their usefulness rather than components dying before their time. > This is a new one on me. > > At this point, I'm *hoping* memtest86 tell me to replace a DIMM because > otherwise, I'm at a complete loss. > > Pete > > -- > Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com > > GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] When RAM goes bad...
I suspect one of my machines has bad RAM. Out of the blue, Unreal Tournament occaisionally segfaults. Then Nero is no longer capable of verifying burned DVDs in Windows. When I boot into Linux, the burned files on DVD and resident files on the hard drive have the same md5sum, so Nero's verification is faulty. The burn looks good. Verification is ill. Played some Quake3 while KDE libs were downloading, and it just segfaulted. It never did that before. In fact, none of these things ever happened before. Everything on both OS's points to bad RAM. The RAM is only 2 or 3 years old. Is it unheard of for RAM to die that quickly? I've never run memtest86 before, but I got it running right now. Aptitude got it, made a boot floppy and it's running. Looks like it may take awhile. I've never come across this piece of bad luck before. Any other tools to look at? I only knew of memtest86 from this mailing list. Any other words of wisdom? Except for the odd hard drive, all my machines outlived their usefulness rather than components dying before their time. This is a new one on me. At this point, I'm *hoping* memtest86 tell me to replace a DIMM because otherwise, I'm at a complete loss. Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sun 06 Mar 05, 1:18 PM, Troy Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:31:11PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > > > Any compelling reason to use Gnome instead of KDE? > > Sure: > Think about what happened to Galeon when the gnome project got its > grubby little usability hands on it. > > If you get my drift on that, then there's really nothing more to say. > > -troy Nuff' said. I get your drift. ;) Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:31:11PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > Any compelling reason to use Gnome instead of KDE? Sure: Think about what happened to Galeon when the gnome project got its grubby little usability hands on it. If you get my drift on that, then there's really nothing more to say. -troy ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 12:31 -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > Any compelling reason to use Gnome instead of KDE? Well, the main differences between Gnome and KDE are in what it's like to develop with them. Speaking roughly (you did ask for a flamewar afterall!) Gnome development is more focused on leveraging standards (such as CORBA), and on portability; KDE is more focused on keeping things easy and simple for developers. If you don't plan to develop with them, then a good way to choose is to look at which widget set you are using with existing apps, since GNOME apps have to use gtk+ and kde apps have to use qt. You could save resources and complication by not installing two widget sets. -- Josh Parsons Philosophy Department 1238 Social Sciences and Humanities Bldg. University of California Davis, CA 95616-8673 USA Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sun 06 Mar 05, 10:12 AM, Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sunday 06 March 2005 09:31 am, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > I definitely don't want to run a display manager, and I'd like to keep > > Enlightenment as a wm. I assume KDE can handle that > > You can run KDE and Gnome apps under other desktop > environments. Of course they will link to big chunks of the > respective libraries, so you may not gain much in terms of > reducing bloatware. > > However the KDE and Gnome desktops include their own window > managers -- I've never heard of running the KDE desktop per > se under Enlightenment. The only reason why I say that is because Enlightenment has a menu option that says "Support KDE desktop"... Don't quite know what it means exactly. Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sunday 06 March 2005 09:31 am, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > I definitely don't want to run a display manager, and I'd like to keep > Enlightenment as a wm. I assume KDE can handle that You can run KDE and Gnome apps under other desktop environments. Of course they will link to big chunks of the respective libraries, so you may not gain much in terms of reducing bloatware. However the KDE and Gnome desktops include their own window managers -- I've never heard of running the KDE desktop per se under Enlightenment. -- Rod ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] DE flame war.
I was thinking of installing a DE on one of my computers. Don't really know much about them. Never really payed much attention. I've always used twm or Enlightenment when I wanted eye-candy. I plan on installing KDE on a test basis to see how I like it unless there are any issues why I should install Gnome instead. Any compelling reason to use Gnome instead of KDE? I definitely don't want to run a display manager, and I'd like to keep Enlightenment as a wm. I assume KDE can handle that Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] DVD burning front ends
What program on Linux most closely resembles Nero for DVD burning in both interface and features? Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
