Re: [vox-tech] Wi-fi issue

2015-04-17 Thread Chris Jenks 




On Thu, 16 Apr 2015, Bill Broadley wrote:


  Connecting isn't controlling. Instead of being scared you could do


Actually it's often enough.  Anyone that trusts DNS for instance can be
redirected to an arbitrary 3rd party with a single luck UDP packet.


But by that reasoning, open wifi shouldn't exist, and that doesn't sound 
very fun to me. I would rather find a way to have secure open wifi, or at 
least as secure as my security needs justify. I'm not saying everybody 
should share their wifi, if they have a cap or something. But what I see 
on the airwaves is that almost everybody assumes that bandwidth has to be 
owned. As long as we are so into ownership for its own sake - which I 
think is the main motivation for password-locking wifi - we may as well go 
back to proprietary software too, make this a pugod list.



like me and just leave your wifi wide open and not worry about it.
Excessive worry about security has been draining the life from people in
every area of my life.


Heh, being careful isn't hard and doesn't take the fun out of life.

Could just change the password and see what breaks.


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Re: [vox-tech] Wi-fi issue

2015-04-17 Thread Bill Kendrick 
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 08:40:34AM -0700, Chris Jenks wrote:
snip
 [...] what I see 
 on the airwaves is that almost everybody assumes that bandwidth has to be 
 owned. As long as we are so into ownership for its own sake - which I 
 think is the main motivation for password-locking wifi - we may as well go 
 back to proprietary software too, make this a pugod list.

Doing things that will prevent a bad guy from breaking into anything
from my email, to my Facebook profile, to my credit union account or
other financial services, just seems like common sense.
Sorry, but as a co-founder of this club, I took a little bit of offense to
the statement above.

One of the benefits of open source is transparency in how things work,
how to secure things for your own safety  privacy, and how to help
others do the same.

We have a long history of doing just that here at LUGOD.
Some past LUGOD talks on various security/networking subjects
(and notice also that a majority were presented by club members,
rather than representatives of orgs or companies):

  2014-11-17
  GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) 
  Adam Reiser

  2014-10-20
  Web Application Hacking: How to Make and Break Security on the Web 
  Wesley Aptekar-Cassels 

  2014-07-21
  Defensive computing: Information security for individuals 
  Adam Reiser

  2010-06-21
  Algorithms to do Network Intrusion Detection, and integration into nProbe 
  Brian Lavender

  2008-06-16
  OpenSSL
  Brian Lavender

  2008-03-17
  The Open Source Security Information Management (OSSIM) project
  Brian Lavender

  2007-08-20
  Improving Security through Virtualization
  Bill Broadley

  2005-01-17
  Open Vote Foundation; and 'How not to do Electronic Voting'
  Scott Ritchie, Open Vote Foundation  Jim March, BlackBoxVoting.org

  2004-06-01
  WiFiLi: Hardware to Software, Security to Intrusion 
  Hans Uhlig

  2004-02-16
  SSL: Secure Socket Layer
  Tim Stapko and Gene Fodor, Z-World (Davis)

  2003-02-17
  802.11b Wireless Networking Basics 
  Ryan Castelluci

  2001-02-06
  Trust and Security 
  Dr. Matt Bishop, UC Davis

  2000-05-02
  OpenSSH, International Kernel, Stegenographic Filesystems 
  Henry House

  2000-04-17
  PGP: Pretty Good Privacy
  Drew Parsons

  1999-08-24
  Firewalling
  Zach White

-bill!
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