Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 12:13, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Jay Strauss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > I don't have Windows or Knoppix installed on this machine, so I don't have > > access to those tools you speak of. > > Just in case you don't know, Knoppix is a run-from-CD distribution, and > doesn't need to be installed onto your hard drive. Thus, in part > because it has excellent hardware autodetection, it makes a good tool > for solving problems like yours. I try to always keep a recent version > around, along with my LNX-BBC disk (which I helped design, so I'm biased) > and a Tom's Root-Boot floppy. Thanks Rick, I might go and download a copy of Knoppix Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
Quoting Jay Strauss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I don't have Windows or Knoppix installed on this machine, so I don't have > access to those tools you speak of. Just in case you don't know, Knoppix is a run-from-CD distribution, and doesn't need to be installed onto your hard drive. Thus, in part because it has excellent hardware autodetection, it makes a good tool for solving problems like yours. I try to always keep a recent version around, along with my LNX-BBC disk (which I helped design, so I'm biased) and a Tom's Root-Boot floppy. -- Cheers,"He who hesitates is frost." Rick Moen -- Inuit proverb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
> For your monitor, VertRefresh should be 85 since 85Hz is your monitor's > capability. But instead of just setting it to 85, it's best to give it a > range that it is capable, so X can pick the best one out of all the > possible ones. Since most monitors are capable of 60Hz, it's safe to > assume your monitor is also. So I'd set your VertRefresh rate to this: > >VertRefresh 59-86 > > As for HorizSync, I don't quite understand that thing. I usually work > with the default range, tweaking it as necessary. As long as you know the > vertical refresh rate is set properly, it's not too hard to tweak it. I > think you can use xvidtune to help you tweak it, too. > > BTW, many monitors today has the ability to display its current display > rate. So if you have Windows or Knoppix and can get it into the mode that > you want, you can write down its display setting and apply it in the > XF86Config-4 file. For example, by clicking on the [2] button on my > monitor I see that my Windows XP display (hehe) is currently set to "fH > 68.7kHz, fV 85.1Hz", which means my display is currently using horizontal > sync rate of 68.7kHz and vertical refresh rate of 85.1Hz. So I *could* > set my XF86Config-4 file to say: > > HorizSync 68-69 > VertRefresh 85-86 > > to get the exact same setting. It's possible I won't get the exact same > setting, though, so I'd expand the range a bit, like this: > > HorizSync 60-80 > VertRefresh 70-90 > > Just approximating, knowing that my awesome Panasonic PanaSync Pro P110i > monitor I got from Geoff isn't stupid enough to blow up if I enter in some > bad number. > > Just try it. See if it works using your monitor's display feedback. > Monitors today don't blow up or smoke away like they used to... not that > I've ever seen one do that. Thankfully... > > BTW, as I mentioned before, being able to set high refresh rates isn't > just about the video card, but also about the monitor, so you gotta make > sure the monitor is capable of it, too. I got the impression that this is > a laptop computer, and if all you're using is the built-in LCD monitor, > then it's fine at 60Hz. If you don't have a CRT monitor that you plug in > regularly, then keep it at 60Hz to be compatible with various things you > may end up plugging into (CRT, projector, A/V signal converter, etc. -- > they all work at 60Hz but may not at higher rates!) Otherwise match it > with the CRT monitor that you plug into regularly 'cuz it's pointless to > adjust the rates for things you may never plug into... Just my 2 cents.. > whatever that really means...! =P > > Oh yeah, you're not finding the HorizSync and VertRefresh values for your > video card on the Internet because those are values for the monitor, not > the video card! If you wanna look up those values, look up your CRT > monitor's specs, not your video card's! > > -Mark Thanks Mark, I am indeed running a laptop. I never attach it to a CRT, the only time I attach an external monitor to it is when I do a presentation (maybe once a year) and I hook it up to a projector. I've been looking for specs on the monitor, but can't seem to find anything more specific than stuff on the IBM product sales stuff. Although maybe my monitor is only capable of 1400x1050, so maybe I'm OK where I am. I don't have Windows or Knoppix installed on this machine, so I don't have access to those tools you speak of. I'll play with the refresh rates like you describe and see if anything blows up or smokes :) Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
- Original Message - From: "Ken Bloom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jay Strauss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lugod's technical discussion forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:57:14PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > You modified your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand, so now debconf is > reluctant to overwrite it. From /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz > lines 2071-2073 in sid, you can solve this as follows: > > For /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, do the following as root: > md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 Thanks Ken, That's working. I feel like a NOB since what you mentioned is also written at the top of the XF86Config file. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
[CC'ing vox-tech for archival purposes, hope that's okay!] Hi Jay, For your monitor, VertRefresh should be 85 since 85Hz is your monitor's capability. But instead of just setting it to 85, it's best to give it a range that it is capable, so X can pick the best one out of all the possible ones. Since most monitors are capable of 60Hz, it's safe to assume your monitor is also. So I'd set your VertRefresh rate to this: VertRefresh 59-86 As for HorizSync, I don't quite understand that thing. I usually work with the default range, tweaking it as necessary. As long as you know the vertical refresh rate is set properly, it's not too hard to tweak it. I think you can use xvidtune to help you tweak it, too. BTW, many monitors today has the ability to display its current display rate. So if you have Windows or Knoppix and can get it into the mode that you want, you can write down its display setting and apply it in the XF86Config-4 file. For example, by clicking on the [2] button on my monitor I see that my Windows XP display (hehe) is currently set to "fH 68.7kHz, fV 85.1Hz", which means my display is currently using horizontal sync rate of 68.7kHz and vertical refresh rate of 85.1Hz. So I *could* set my XF86Config-4 file to say: HorizSync 68-69 VertRefresh 85-86 to get the exact same setting. It's possible I won't get the exact same setting, though, so I'd expand the range a bit, like this: HorizSync 60-80 VertRefresh 70-90 Just approximating, knowing that my awesome Panasonic PanaSync Pro P110i monitor I got from Geoff isn't stupid enough to blow up if I enter in some bad number. Just try it. See if it works using your monitor's display feedback. Monitors today don't blow up or smoke away like they used to... not that I've ever seen one do that. Thankfully... BTW, as I mentioned before, being able to set high refresh rates isn't just about the video card, but also about the monitor, so you gotta make sure the monitor is capable of it, too. I got the impression that this is a laptop computer, and if all you're using is the built-in LCD monitor, then it's fine at 60Hz. If you don't have a CRT monitor that you plug in regularly, then keep it at 60Hz to be compatible with various things you may end up plugging into (CRT, projector, A/V signal converter, etc. -- they all work at 60Hz but may not at higher rates!) Otherwise match it with the CRT monitor that you plug into regularly 'cuz it's pointless to adjust the rates for things you may never plug into... Just my 2 cents.. whatever that really means...! =P Oh yeah, you're not finding the HorizSync and VertRefresh values for your video card on the Internet because those are values for the monitor, not the video card! If you wanna look up those values, look up your CRT monitor's specs, not your video card's! -Mark On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Jay Strauss wrote: > > The refresh rate is in /etx/X11/XF86Config-4, under the monitor section: > > > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "Panasonic" > > HorizSync 30-100 > > VertRefresh 50-160 < here; apparently my monitor > > Option "DPMS" can handle 50Hz to 160Hz > > EndSection > > > > For LCD monitors, though, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what refresh > > rate you use -- it ends up being 60Hz. Maybe I'm wrong, but LCD monitors > > are all very similar in its refresh rate. It'll make a difference if you > > plug in an external CRT monitor to your laptop, though then your refresh > > rate will depend on the external monitor's capability. > > > > -Mark > > Hi Mark, > > My graphics card is capable of 85Hz, but I don't know the refresh rates of > the vertical and horizontal. I can't seem to find them on the web either > > Thanks > Jay -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:57:14PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > > > ...to be precise. :-) > > > > > should this be writing an XF86Config-4 file somewhere? Its not writing > a new one to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. You modified your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand, so now debconf is reluctant to overwrite it. From /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz lines 2071-2073 in sid, you can solve this as follows: For /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, do the following as root: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -- I usually have a GPG digital signature included as an attachment. See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures. G'mar chatima tova signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > ...to be precise. :-) > should this be writing an XF86Config-4 file somewhere? Its not writing a new one to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
> Bill Kendrick wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:08:28AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > > > >>Where do I change that value to 85? Its not in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > >>file, and I can't think of anywhere else to look. > > > > > > You can also run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver' (or, err, something similar) > > to go through the same setup wizard as you did during the initial install. > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > ...to be precise. :-) > > > (It should have all of your current settings auto-selected, so you'll be > > able to whiz through it pretty quick.) > > > > Good luck! > > > > -bill! > > ___ > > vox-tech mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech I'll try it Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
Bill Kendrick wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:08:28AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: Where do I change that value to 85? Its not in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and I can't think of anywhere else to look. You can also run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver' (or, err, something similar) to go through the same setup wizard as you did during the initial install. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ...to be precise. :-) (It should have all of your current settings auto-selected, so you'll be able to whiz through it pretty quick.) Good luck! -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech -- R. Douglas Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dooglio.net begin:vcard fn:R. Douglas Barbieri n:Barbieri;R. Douglas email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.dooglio.net version:2.1 end:vcard ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:08:28AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: > Where do I change that value to 85? Its not in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > file, and I can't think of anywhere else to look. You can also run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver' (or, err, something similar) to go through the same setup wizard as you did during the initial install. (It should have all of your current settings auto-selected, so you'll be able to whiz through it pretty quick.) Good luck! -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
The refresh rate is in /etx/X11/XF86Config-4, under the monitor section: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Panasonic" HorizSync 30-100 VertRefresh 50-160 < here; apparently my monitor Option "DPMS" can handle 50Hz to 160Hz EndSection For LCD monitors, though, I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what refresh rate you use -- it ends up being 60Hz. Maybe I'm wrong, but LCD monitors are all very similar in its refresh rate. It'll make a difference if you plug in an external CRT monitor to your laptop, though then your refresh rate will depend on the external monitor's capability. -Mark On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed Sarge on an IBM A20 Thinkpad (2652 3CU). During the > install, > during the X configuration, it asked (using the medium selection), what my > monitor was capable of: > 1600x1200 @ 60Hz > 1600x1200 @ 70ish Hz > 1600x1200 @ 85Hz > > I picked @60 Hz, I now realize my ATI mobility rage card operates at 85Hz > > Where do I change that value to 85? Its not in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > file, > and I can't think of anywhere else to look. > > Also, can someone suggest where I can find the exact Vertical and Horizontal > rates for my monitor? I've been googling and searching around IBM's > website, but can't find it > > Thanks > Jay > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
Hi, I just installed Sarge on an IBM A20 Thinkpad (2652 3CU). During the install, during the X configuration, it asked (using the medium selection), what my monitor was capable of: 1600x1200 @ 60Hz 1600x1200 @ 70ish Hz 1600x1200 @ 85Hz I picked @60 Hz, I now realize my ATI mobility rage card operates at 85Hz Where do I change that value to 85? Its not in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and I can't think of anywhere else to look. Also, can someone suggest where I can find the exact Vertical and Horizontal rates for my monitor? I've been googling and searching around IBM's website, but can't find it Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
