Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:15:27AM -0700, Jonathan Stickel wrote: > Richard: If you have CD writer, I'm sure it came with CD burning > software. I haven't seen a CD writer not come with something, usually > Roxio or Nero. If it came with a prebuilt computer, then somewhere in > your box of documentation and installation CDs, there should be burning > software. It may be several versions old, but usually you can upgrade > for free. Unless the computer came with the burner pre-installed, and the OEM made the bonehead decision that the builtin WinXP burning program was good enough. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
On 2004.04.29 10:57, Bill Kendrick wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Ken Bloom wrote: > > Some CD writers come with HP software that doesn't support burning ISO > images. I know for sure we saw one at the last installfest. Buh??? Sorry. I meant the HP software doesn't. Parse that as follows: Some CD writers come with (HP software that doesn't support burning ISO images.) I wanted to download an iso I created with ntfsresize on it, and burn it, but I couldn't (and the only other computer with a burner was at the installfest specifically because the burner wasn't working.) -- I usually have a GPG digital signature included as an attachment. See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures. My key was last signed 10/14/2003. If you use GPG *please* see me about signing the key. * My computer can't give you viruses by email. *** ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:26:50AM -0700, Ken Bloom wrote: > > Some CD writers come with HP software that doesn't support burning ISO > images. I know for sure we saw one at the last installfest. Buh??? -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Quoting Richard Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > *grin* I was wondering about that. I did seriously try to parse your > advice to make it work in my brain, but I couldn't. ;-> Again, sorry about that. At least I caught up on the thread a few minutes afterwards. > Did I mention that this laptop has no floppy drive? ;-) Wave of the future. Fortunately, we have things like SystemRescueCd: http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/519720/SystemRescueCd.html Obviously, someone is likely to have to burn you a copy, but it incorporates QtPartEd and ntfsresize, thus giving you a nice, reliable graphical shell from which to shrink your NTFS partition; then you install $DISTRO_OF_CHOICE, and so on. > Seriously, though, my hope was to do this on my laptop, mostly for the > ease of transport factor. I have something like 70 CD's to burn, and was > hoping I could do it on my laptop so that I could do it downstairs while > watching TV, that sort of thing. :D Well, above is my serious recommendation. -- Cheers,"A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line, today. The results Rick Moen blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon." [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steel City News ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Ken Bloom said: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:15:27AM -0700, Jonathan Stickel wrote: >> Rick Moen wrote: >> >Quoting Richard Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): >> > >> > >> >>Any recommendations for software? I'm not all that keen on paying >> money for such software if I can avoid it. >> > >> > >> >I recommend burning a Knoppix CDR (or DVD), and then booting it. It >> comes with cdrecord, k3b, etc., and reliably auto-recognises hardware >> better than anything else on x86, bar none. >> > >> >(Generally speaking, if the answer is a piece of Win32 software, >> you're asking the wrong question. ;-> ) >> > >> >> His problem is burning the Knoppix CD in the first place ;) >> >> Richard: If you have CD writer, I'm sure it came with CD burning >> software. I haven't seen a CD writer not come with something, usually >> Roxio or Nero. If it came with a prebuilt computer, then somewhere >> in your box of documentation and installation CDs, there should be >> burning software. It may be several versions old, but usually you >> can upgrade for free. >> > > Some CD writers come with HP software that doesn't support burning ISO > images. I know for sure we saw one at the last installfest. I haven't found any burning software on this laptop. -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Rick Moen said: > Quoting Richard Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > >> I am apparently doing something wrong while trying to burn Knoppix >> CD's with my Windows XP laptop. > > My apologies for my advice of a minute ago being inapplicable: I was > reading this thread in reverse-date order, and so hadn't noticed that > you were asking about a laptop machine. *grin* I was wondering about that. I did seriously try to parse your advice to make it work in my brain, but I couldn't. > On a desktop machine, I would have strongly advised someone who had only > a CDR[W] drive and no regular read-only CD-ROM drive to retrofit one of > the latter immediately. Why? Because CD burner drives of necessity > must have very heavy read/write arm assemblies, because they must carry > a burn laser in addition to the standard read head, and also generate > quite a bit of heat when operating in burn mode. Therefore, such drives > have markedly low MTBF figures and should ideally be used only when > actually burning disks, not for everyday read-only use. > > With a laptop that has a CDR or CDRW drive, there will almost certainly > not be a separate read-only CD drive, nor will it be practical to add > one. So, in that sense, you're stuck. > > That having been said, in your shoes, I'd still work out some way to do > my CD-burning from Linux rather than XP, e.g., shrink the NTFS partition > using a BootIt NG floppy and then install some distro to the space freed > up -- maybe Knoppix. Burning CDs from Linux using your front-end > program of choice (e.g., k3b) is just more reliable and straight-forward > in my experience. Did I mention that this laptop has no floppy drive? ;-) Seriously, though, my hope was to do this on my laptop, mostly for the ease of transport factor. I have something like 70 CD's to burn, and was hoping I could do it on my laptop so that I could do it downstairs while watching TV, that sort of thing. :D -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 10:15:27AM -0700, Jonathan Stickel wrote: > Rick Moen wrote: > >Quoting Richard Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > > > >>Any recommendations for software? I'm not all that keen on paying money > >>for such software if I can avoid it. > > > > > >I recommend burning a Knoppix CDR (or DVD), and then booting it. It > >comes with cdrecord, k3b, etc., and reliably auto-recognises hardware > >better than anything else on x86, bar none. > > > >(Generally speaking, if the answer is a piece of Win32 software, you're > >asking the wrong question. ;-> ) > > > > His problem is burning the Knoppix CD in the first place ;) > > Richard: If you have CD writer, I'm sure it came with CD burning > software. I haven't seen a CD writer not come with something, usually > Roxio or Nero. If it came with a prebuilt computer, then somewhere in > your box of documentation and installation CDs, there should be burning > software. It may be several versions old, but usually you can upgrade > for free. > Some CD writers come with HP software that doesn't support burning ISO images. I know for sure we saw one at the last installfest. -- I usually have a GPG digital signature included as an attachment. See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures. My key was last signed 10/14/2003. If you use GPG *please* see me about signing the key. * My computer can't give you viruses by email. *** signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Richard Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Any recommendations for software? I'm not all that keen on paying money for such software if I can avoid it. I recommend burning a Knoppix CDR (or DVD), and then booting it. It comes with cdrecord, k3b, etc., and reliably auto-recognises hardware better than anything else on x86, bar none. (Generally speaking, if the answer is a piece of Win32 software, you're asking the wrong question. ;-> ) His problem is burning the Knoppix CD in the first place ;) Richard: If you have CD writer, I'm sure it came with CD burning software. I haven't seen a CD writer not come with something, usually Roxio or Nero. If it came with a prebuilt computer, then somewhere in your box of documentation and installation CDs, there should be burning software. It may be several versions old, but usually you can upgrade for free. Jonathan ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Quoting Richard Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I am apparently doing something wrong while trying to burn Knoppix CD's > with my Windows XP laptop. My apologies for my advice of a minute ago being inapplicable: I was reading this thread in reverse-date order, and so hadn't noticed that you were asking about a laptop machine. On a desktop machine, I would have strongly advised someone who had only a CDR[W] drive and no regular read-only CD-ROM drive to retrofit one of the latter immediately. Why? Because CD burner drives of necessity must have very heavy read/write arm assemblies, because they must carry a burn laser in addition to the standard read head, and also generate quite a bit of heat when operating in burn mode. Therefore, such drives have markedly low MTBF figures and should ideally be used only when actually burning disks, not for everyday read-only use. With a laptop that has a CDR or CDRW drive, there will almost certainly not be a separate read-only CD drive, nor will it be practical to add one. So, in that sense, you're stuck. That having been said, in your shoes, I'd still work out some way to do my CD-burning from Linux rather than XP, e.g., shrink the NTFS partition using a BootIt NG floppy and then install some distro to the space freed up -- maybe Knoppix. Burning CDs from Linux using your front-end program of choice (e.g., k3b) is just more reliable and straight-forward in my experience. -- Cheers,"A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line, today. The results Rick Moen blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon." [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steel City News ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Quoting Richard Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Any recommendations for software? I'm not all that keen on paying money > for such software if I can avoid it. I recommend burning a Knoppix CDR (or DVD), and then booting it. It comes with cdrecord, k3b, etc., and reliably auto-recognises hardware better than anything else on x86, bar none. (Generally speaking, if the answer is a piece of Win32 software, you're asking the wrong question. ;-> ) -- Cheers,"A raccoon tangled with a 23,000 volt line, today. The results Rick Moen blacked out 1400 homes and, of course, one raccoon." [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steel City News ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Foo Lim said: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Richard Crawford wrote: > >> I am apparently doing something wrong while trying to burn Knoppix >> CD's with my Windows XP laptop. I had assumed that I would just >> download the .iso file onto my hard drive, insert a blank CD into my >> CD-ROM drive, then copy the file from the hard drive to the blank CD >> using WinXP's native CD writing software. >> >> This doesn't seem to be working though. The CD I create doesn't boot >> my computer into Knoppix. I've checked the BIOS on my computer to >> ensure that it is bootable from CD-ROM, but it's still not working >> out. >> >> Any thoughts on what I might be missing? > > > Hi Richard, > > I don't know very much about XP's native CD writing software, but iso > files are images that encapsulate not only files but filesystem > information. I've had experience with Nero for Windows. In that > program, you would need to use the 'Burn image' option (IIRC). If you > have Linux, you can use cdrecord to burn the image. Hm. Does anyone know if cdrecord is available under Cygwin? -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Jonathan Stickel said: [snip] > With whatever burning software you use, you need to choose "burn from a > CD image" or such. I don't think WinXP's native CD writing software > gives you this option; it is only for writing data. For windows, try > Roxio, Nero, Disk Juggler, or the like. Got it, thanks. I know what I was doing wrong. Any recommendations for software? I'm not all that keen on paying money for such software if I can avoid it. -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Richard Crawford wrote: > I am apparently doing something wrong while trying to burn Knoppix CD's > with my Windows XP laptop. I had assumed that I would just download the > .iso file onto my hard drive, insert a blank CD into my CD-ROM drive, then > copy the file from the hard drive to the blank CD using WinXP's native CD > writing software. > > This doesn't seem to be working though. The CD I create doesn't boot my > computer into Knoppix. I've checked the BIOS on my computer to ensure > that it is bootable from CD-ROM, but it's still not working out. > > Any thoughts on what I might be missing? Hi Richard, I don't know very much about XP's native CD writing software, but iso files are images that encapsulate not only files but filesystem information. I've had experience with Nero for Windows. In that program, you would need to use the 'Burn image' option (IIRC). If you have Linux, you can use cdrecord to burn the image. HTH, Foo ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Richard Crawford wrote: I am apparently doing something wrong while trying to burn Knoppix CD's with my Windows XP laptop. I had assumed that I would just download the .iso file onto my hard drive, insert a blank CD into my CD-ROM drive, then copy the file from the hard drive to the blank CD using WinXP's native CD writing software. This doesn't seem to be working though. The CD I create doesn't boot my computer into Knoppix. I've checked the BIOS on my computer to ensure that it is bootable from CD-ROM, but it's still not working out. Any thoughts on what I might be missing? Copying over the .iso (i.e. making a data CD) is NOT what you want to do. The .iso is an "image" of the cdrom you want, and all the usable files are contained within it. Kind of like a .tar file (although techies may shudder at this analogy). With whatever burning software you use, you need to choose "burn from a CD image" or such. I don't think WinXP's native CD writing software gives you this option; it is only for writing data. For windows, try Roxio, Nero, Disk Juggler, or the like. HTH, Jonathan ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
Use a burning software, not XP's simulated file system. If you just drop it in, it's gonna create a file system on the CD and put the ISO file in the root of the FS. You don't want the FS there. So use a burning software that knows how to burn ISO files instead. -Mark On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Richard Crawford wrote: > I am apparently doing something wrong while trying to burn Knoppix CD's > with my Windows XP laptop. I had assumed that I would just download the > .iso file onto my hard drive, insert a blank CD into my CD-ROM drive, then > copy the file from the hard drive to the blank CD using WinXP's native CD > writing software. > > This doesn't seem to be working though. The CD I create doesn't boot my > computer into Knoppix. I've checked the BIOS on my computer to ensure > that it is bootable from CD-ROM, but it's still not working out. > > Any thoughts on what I might be missing? > > > -- > Sláinte, > Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) > http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview > "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is > invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.jsp?id=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Heretical WinXP Q re: burning Knoppix CD's
I am apparently doing something wrong while trying to burn Knoppix CD's with my Windows XP laptop. I had assumed that I would just download the .iso file onto my hard drive, insert a blank CD into my CD-ROM drive, then copy the file from the hard drive to the blank CD using WinXP's native CD writing software. This doesn't seem to be working though. The CD I create doesn't boot my computer into Knoppix. I've checked the BIOS on my computer to ensure that it is bootable from CD-ROM, but it's still not working out. Any thoughts on what I might be missing? -- Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
