Re: [vox-tech] home server
On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 09:06:57PM -0700, netuser wrote: > If you need any more info, let me know. Well, at this point, you should let the IF coordinators know what you're interested in doing. Either fill out the RSVP form ( http://www.lugod.org/if/rsvp/ ) and/or send a note to i...@lugod.org with your situation. (Just in case they're not paying attention here on vox-tech list.) Good luck! -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
yes, i know. It is possible to bring a hard drive, I understand issues. I can absolutely bring a hard drive, concern is 64 bit OS, i believe you have capability. If someone has 64 bit computer, and ability to connect my HD, we are good. HD is clean, but should i install Vista to facilitate dual boot? I now have a new computer, since last time i transported computer motherboard cracked. I cannot afford to buy another. I am not in neighborhood, so transport is scary. I can hotswap HD, so options are dependent on your variables. Extreme thanks for your concern. I know, what a pain. My Hardware I should be able to configure at home, but it is generic setup, that may help. I do not have any special hardware setup, Ubuntu Desktop installed easily from live CD. If you need any more info, let me know. - Original Message - From: "Bill Kendrick" To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [vox-tech] home server > On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 12:16:47PM -0700, netuser wrote: >> i would love to go to an installfest. problem is, transport of computer >> is >> not an option. is it possible to bring an external hard drive and have it >> installed on that? > > I can't promise, but someone might be willing to help you transport > it to the Installfest venue. (Many people have brought full desktop PC > setups to our Installfests over the last decade-and-some.) > > Alternatively, and I can't promise this either, but the folks who > coordinate and volunteer at the Installfest might also be willing to > try and help you install it onto hard drive. The problem here, > though, is that the hardware they configure against (network card, etc.) > may not be the same as what you have at home. (And, of course, someone > will need to bring a spare PC to install the HDD into during the > Installfest! At that rate, and considering the potential issues, > it really does make the most sense to bring your own hardware to the > event.) > > PS - September 25th is sounding like it'll be confirmed... stay tuned > > -bill! > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 12:16:47PM -0700, netuser wrote: > i would love to go to an installfest. problem is, transport of computer is > not an option. is it possible to bring an external hard drive and have it > installed on that? I can't promise, but someone might be willing to help you transport it to the Installfest venue. (Many people have brought full desktop PC setups to our Installfests over the last decade-and-some.) Alternatively, and I can't promise this either, but the folks who coordinate and volunteer at the Installfest might also be willing to try and help you install it onto hard drive. The problem here, though, is that the hardware they configure against (network card, etc.) may not be the same as what you have at home. (And, of course, someone will need to bring a spare PC to install the HDD into during the Installfest! At that rate, and considering the potential issues, it really does make the most sense to bring your own hardware to the event.) PS - September 25th is sounding like it'll be confirmed... stay tuned -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
Bit of a mishmash of issues here.. some thoughts to consider: 1) For a dual-boot system you can probably use the workstation install and add whatever "server" software you need... the primary difference between the "server" and "workstation" installers is in the default set of packages that get loaded. 2) It is simply impractical to load "all packages" on any computer, server or not. Proceed one step at a time, and learn how each server package needs to be set up to meet your needs by reading the documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename. The workstation defaults will keep it generally functional while you experiment. Once you are familiar with the software, you will be in a better position to tackle a dedicated server install. 3) Ubuntu can work with either static or DHCP. Note that telling the system to ask for an address from your router is very different from setting up your system to hand out addresses as a DHCP server (not advisable until you know your networking requirements better). The installfest is a good idea even if you don't wait until then to try again. netu...@ainet.com wrote: >Correct, bad media. Evidently I have OS on disk but that's all. Downloaded >10.04 again, disk seems good. Everything went fine until I tried to install >software, should have not tried to install all of it at once. Gave me error >other thing need to be set up before installing this software. Crashed >system, reinstalled Vista. Now I have lots of notes on how to install, >thanks. Still have dual boot problem. Anyone know how? I thought I needed to >set up dhcp for Ubuntu to work, will set up static IP instead. I noticed >10.04 downloaded USB support, that may solve problem with keyboard and mouse >not working. I don't like to send my name in emails, but my name is Bruce. >Thanks again for all your help. > >___ >vox-tech mailing list >vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/BatteriesO.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my brevity. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
the plan is to network computer, but presently its a stand alone. connected to cable modem presently. i have been using Ubuntu desktop for 2+ years, now i'm trying to move up to server. i have a limited knowledge of commands, now trying to increase that, and trying to find out which commands to study up on. - Original Message - From: "Matthew Holland" To: "lugod's technical discussion forum" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [vox-tech] home server > Bruce, > > It's really hard to know precisely how to advise you without a bit > more context. Is this your only computer, or is it on a network with > other computers? In any case, when you're running Vista, how does the > computer get its IP address? Is this computer connected directly to > your internet service (e.g., DSL modem or cable modem), or is there a > hardware router in between your computer and your ISP? > > Also, from your first message, you seem to be trying to install the > server distribution. For a new user, the desktop distribution makes > for a much friendlier introduction to GNU/Linux. The installer is > easier to use, you get to see what the graphical environment is like > before you install, and IIRC, it will set up your network connection > as a DHCP client by default. The server distribution is aimed more at > experienced users who want to set up a minimal system, and know how to > do all of the necessary configuration by hand. > > Give us more context, and we can help, or, as Bill suggests, go to an > installfest and get help in person. > > Matt > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:30 AM, wrote: >> Correct, bad media. Evidently I have OS on disk but that’s all. >> Downloaded >> 10.04 again, disk seems good. Everything went fine until I tried to >> install >> software, should have not tried to install all of it at once. Gave me >> error >> other thing need to be set up before installing this software. Crashed >> system, reinstalled Vista. Now I have lots of notes on how to install, >> thanks. Still have dual boot problem. Anyone know how? I thought I needed >> to >> set up dhcp for Ubuntu to work, will set up static IP instead. I noticed >> 10.04 downloaded USB support, that may solve problem with keyboard and >> mouse >> not working. I don’t like to send my name in emails, but my name is >> Bruce. >> Thanks again for all your help. >> >> ___ >> vox-tech mailing list >> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> >> > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
i would love to go to an installfest. problem is, transport of computer is
not an option. is it possible to bring an external hard drive and have it
installed on that?
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From: "Bill Kendrick"
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Subject: Re: [vox-tech] home server
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> For what it's worth, we've tentatively scheduled an Installfest workshop
> for Saturday, September 25th. Once it's confirmed, we'll announce it
> on vox-announce mailing list, on the homepage of lugod.org ("news"), and
> on the IF page itself.
>
> For more, and to RSVP, go to: http://www.lugod.org/if/
>
> Good luck!
>
> -bill!
>
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 10:30:18AM -0700, netu...@ainet.com wrote:
>>Correct, bad media. Evidently I have OS on disk but that's all.
>> Downloaded
>>10.04 again, disk seems good. Everything went fine until I tried to
>>install software, should have not tried to install all of it at once.
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Re: [vox-tech] home server
Bruce, It's really hard to know precisely how to advise you without a bit more context. Is this your only computer, or is it on a network with other computers? In any case, when you're running Vista, how does the computer get its IP address? Is this computer connected directly to your internet service (e.g., DSL modem or cable modem), or is there a hardware router in between your computer and your ISP? Also, from your first message, you seem to be trying to install the server distribution. For a new user, the desktop distribution makes for a much friendlier introduction to GNU/Linux. The installer is easier to use, you get to see what the graphical environment is like before you install, and IIRC, it will set up your network connection as a DHCP client by default. The server distribution is aimed more at experienced users who want to set up a minimal system, and know how to do all of the necessary configuration by hand. Give us more context, and we can help, or, as Bill suggests, go to an installfest and get help in person. Matt On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:30 AM, wrote: > Correct, bad media. Evidently I have OS on disk but that’s all. Downloaded > 10.04 again, disk seems good. Everything went fine until I tried to install > software, should have not tried to install all of it at once. Gave me error > other thing need to be set up before installing this software. Crashed > system, reinstalled Vista. Now I have lots of notes on how to install, > thanks. Still have dual boot problem. Anyone know how? I thought I needed to > set up dhcp for Ubuntu to work, will set up static IP instead. I noticed > 10.04 downloaded USB support, that may solve problem with keyboard and mouse > not working. I don’t like to send my name in emails, but my name is Bruce. > Thanks again for all your help. > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
For what it's worth, we've tentatively scheduled an Installfest workshop
for Saturday, September 25th. Once it's confirmed, we'll announce it
on vox-announce mailing list, on the homepage of lugod.org ("news"), and
on the IF page itself.
For more, and to RSVP, go to: http://www.lugod.org/if/
Good luck!
-bill!
On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 10:30:18AM -0700, netu...@ainet.com wrote:
>Correct, bad media. Evidently I have OS on disk but that's all. Downloaded
>10.04 again, disk seems good. Everything went fine until I tried to
>install software, should have not tried to install all of it at once.
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[vox-tech] home server
Correct, bad media. Evidently I have OS on disk but that's all. Downloaded 10.04 again, disk seems good. Everything went fine until I tried to install software, should have not tried to install all of it at once. Gave me error other thing need to be set up before installing this software. Crashed system, reinstalled Vista. Now I have lots of notes on how to install, thanks. Still have dual boot problem. Anyone know how? I thought I needed to set up dhcp for Ubuntu to work, will set up static IP instead. I noticed 10.04 downloaded USB support, that may solve problem with keyboard and mouse not working. I don't like to send my name in emails, but my name is Bruce. Thanks again for all your help. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 06:56:24PM -0700, netu...@ainet.com wrote: >I have just installed Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit server edition. There are no >programs installed. (10 Prob USB support). > >I cannot update, etc since I cannot get online. Apt-get, aptitude, >synaptic, etc don't work since no programs installed (screen shows 0 >programs installed). Tasksel, sudo, etc tried. I need to get online. > > >This is a sample of data from server guide and online research. > > >It has been suggested in this data that I add lines in >/etc/network/interfaces: > > >Auto eth0 > >Iface eth0 inet dhcp If your cable is plugged in and you have a dhcp server on the network, just do te following as root. # dhclient eth0 brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
On Mon, 6 Sep 2010, netu...@ainet.com wrote: > I have just installed Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit server edition. There are no > programs installed. (10 Prob USB support). Ive run a home server for a decade. Id love to help but Ive always run them as dedicated IPs. To me, server = dedicated IPs altho thats probably just because Im old. But when you get past that Id love to help with other setups. Gandalf Parker ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 06:56:24PM -0700, netu...@ainet.com wrote: >I have just installed Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit server edition. There are no >programs installed. (10 Prob USB support). > Sounds like an ID-10-T error. Maybe you could tell us your name. Dump that 9.10 and get 10.04. https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/index.html https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/ brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server
On 09/06/2010 06:56 PM, netu...@ainet.com wrote: > I have just installed Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit server edition. There are no > programs installed. (10 Prob USB support). That's a bit strange. Why not 10.4? 10.4 is a LTS release and it seems that in the LTS releases they spend some extra time and care to make sure the server version is especially polished. Not sure what "10 Prob USB support" means. > I cannot update, etc since I cannot get online. Apt-get, aptitude, > synaptic, etc don’t work since no programs installed (screen shows 0 Er, cut and paste would be helpful. What exactly do you mean by "no programs installed". apt-get responds with "command not found"? Screen is tty multiplexor, why would you think it's commenting on no programs found. > programs installed). Tasksel, sudo, etc tried. I need to get online. Sounds like you should check your media, reinstall, and note any errors. > This is a sample of data from server guide and online research. > > It has been suggested in this data that I add lines in > /etc/network/interfaces Assuming your ethernet works, your lan has a DHCP server and you reboot or say /etc/init.d/network restart the below should work: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp I'd also include: auto lo iface lo inet loopback If you don't have a local DHCP server then you'll need to statically assign IPs. > Clearly there are conflicting ideas. Any clarification will be appreciated . I'm pretty confused by your message. What exactly do you mean by zero programs installed? If there's no binaries on your system I wouldn't call it an install. Does your lan have a DHCP server? Do other machines on that LAN work? Unless you have a specific need for 9.10 I'd download/beg/borrow/buy 10.04, verify the checksum of the image, burn it to CD, then verify that CD (it's a menu at bootup I believe). If you are worried about hardware compatibility issues I'd boot the desktop CD and select boot up into the live environment. That way you can see if your ethernet device is recognized. > > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] home server
I have just installed Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit server edition. There are no
programs installed. (10 Prob USB support).
I cannot update, etc since I cannot get online. Apt-get, aptitude, synaptic,
etc don't work since no programs installed (screen shows 0 programs
installed). Tasksel, sudo, etc tried. I need to get online.
This is a sample of data from server guide and online research.
It has been suggested in this data that I add lines in
/etc/network/interfaces:
Auto eth0
Iface eth0 inet dhcp
I seem to need to set up DHCP to get on line. Here are some ideas from
server guide and online research, please fix.
DHCP configuration:
IP address: 192.168.1.1
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.1.1
Nameserver Address: 192.168.1.1
Hostname: coffee1
Domain name: mydomain.com
Then:
DHCP name: coffee1
Domain name servers: ns1.example.com
Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Default lease time: 600
Max lease time: 7200
Servername: coffee1.example.com
Subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0
{range 192.168.1.200 192.168.1.253}
Option routers 192.168.1.1
Host clientname{
Filename
"/tftpboot/tftpboot.img
Server-name"servername"
Hardware Ethernet
01:23:45:67:89:AB
Fixed address 192.168.1.90
Then:
Option domain-name "example.com";
Option domain-name-servers nsl.example.com;
Option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
Default-lease-time 600;
Max-lease-time 7200;
Server-name "servername";
Subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
Range 192.168.1.200 192.168.1.253;
Option routers 192.168.1.1;
}
Host clientname {
Filename "/tftpboot/tftpboot.img";
Server-name "servername";
Next-server servername;
Hardware Ethernet 01:23:45:67:89:AB;
Fixed-address 192.168.1.90;
}
Clearly there are conflicting ideas. Any clarification will be appreciated .
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Re: [vox-tech] home server choice
Hai Yi wrote: > first, i have already had my server running on a ubuntu box at home, i > want to upgrade it to a more reliable solution since my data become > more important. > As to Tony's question, the services I need to have are: web pages, > ssh, ftp, and svn; also as a media server for internal use. > I have only a home router, but it's fine for me, at least for now; i > don't really need a static IP, everytime it changes, I just re-route > it, it doesn't happen too often. > As of the hard disk, I am thinking of 1TB, and having a raid support, > but I heard we can have it in a software way? So you want what I will call a general server. This can be any good computer. In the past (and even now) I use my main desktop system as my server. Seeing you want it to be a Web, FTP, SVN and media server (I assume storage of files but are you also planning on streaming?) it means you will want to have some large storage of data. Again as I pointed out before it is getting harder to find IDE drives. All drives are slowing being moved to SATA drives. You can get a PCI/SATA board for about $15.00 to convert an older computer over or just get a case which was SATA to begin with. As for the computer itself, if you don't have a good computer look toward a computer liquidator for getting a used computer. In the past I was able to get a P4 2.3 Ghz 750 Megs of RAM for the large cost of $75.00 via a liquidator (no drives). This replaced my old system. As for type of CPU, of the list you provided, WEB, FTP, SVN and media server, the media server is the only one which may have some CPU requirements. The others can be with a slower processor. For years I ran my home server using a PII-450 Mhz CPU with 512 Megs RAM. This worked fine but when mailman was pushing out a message to a exploded mail list the CPU would bind up. Moving to a faster CPU solved this problem. Lets talk about home routers for a quick moment. I use to have a Cisco-806 router (really a SOHO small office, home office router) which worked great for me. At the end of May it died and I had to quickly put in a new router. I had a D-Link which I was able to get working for my surfing but had some real issues with punching holes through its firewall and doing port-forwarding. I could not get it to work correctly. But I was mostly back on line for a while. I had a old computer around the house with a small 5 Gig hard drive. I used this box and installed the Vyatta software router on it which I'm still using today and love. It gives me all of the control I had with the Cisco-806 router and more. And the cost to me was great, FREE!!. Vyatta is an Open Source router with the goal of taking over Cisco market. And most of us have an older computer we are not using which works great for a router. While I have in my collection right now 5 routers (2 non-WiFi, 3 WiFi) I only use one of the WiFi at home for the rare times I want to be wireless instead of wired (I like the security of being wired and not having a neighbor trying to snoop my WiFi connection). I normally keep my home WiFi turned off. Anyway where I'm going with this is I'm not planning on ever using a home or SOHO router as a main router again. I would use Vyatta software router. Yes I know about OpenWRT but I'm not convince I want to go that router. And so far Vyatta does not have a version which will work with WRT routers yet. Anyway I hope the above will give you some ideas of what you can do. At the same time, I might suggest you look at a hosting company such as 1&1.com to do the hosting of web pages. It might be a better/cheaper solution for you. You mileage may vary. Most of my friends who use to host their own servers has moved to a hosting company the small amount of web pages and E-mail they served and dropped from having 5 static IPs to a single DHCP connection. Thus dropping their monthly cost from about $50/month to closer to $30/month ($20/month DHCP, $10/month for web/email hosting). And this also means they don't have to worry about doing OS upgrades as much (I should note they were running CentOS base systems and not Debian base systems). It also means someone else does their SPAM filtering for them instead of using their own. For myself I enjoy having my own servers (which are both Debian for different reasons). If I was to set-up a new server be it for a friend or a business I would really take a look at using Ubuntu. I have worked with CentOS, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris
Re: [vox-tech] home server choice
Hai Yi wrote: > first, i have already had my server running on a ubuntu box at home, i > want to upgrade it to a more reliable solution since my data become > more important. > As to Tony's question, the services I need to have are: web pages, > ssh, ftp, and svn; also as a media server for internal use. > I have only a home router, but it's fine for me, at least for now; i > don't really need a static IP, everytime it changes, I just re-route > it, it doesn't happen too often. > As of the hard disk, I am thinking of 1TB, and having a raid support, > but I heard we can have it in a software way? In my opinion, the most important element of setting up a home server is backing up the "user data" and the "server configuration data", not as much in selecting "robust" hardware. All hardware fails, and in particular in my house I seem to have problems with dust clogging up the fans so I have to disassemble and clean them at least once a year (spring). Note that backing up is different than archiving... it is a good idea to archive data on different type of media, but backing up data (as with BackupPC) seems most economically accomplished with additional spinning hard disk platters. Ideally this backup process would go offsite to a service like rsync.net or spideroak.com [1], but for the volume of data that I end up with the cost can add up quickly so I settle for local backup. Once your data is safe, the choice of hardware becomes much less critical. I recently switched to using an MSI Wind PC like Scott Miller did in order to reduce the noise and power consumption issues with my old clunker hardware. [...] [1] These are not endorsements... I have not used either service. -- --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/BatteriesO.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...1k --- ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server choice
the linux kernel supports software RAID. best to implement it at install time (the installer lets you do this at the partitioning phase). On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 07:50 -0400, Hai Yi wrote: > first, i have already had my server running on a ubuntu box at home, i > want to upgrade it to a more reliable solution since my data become > more important. > As to Tony's question, the services I need to have are: web pages, > ssh, ftp, and svn; also as a media server for internal use. > I have only a home router, but it's fine for me, at least for now; i > don't really need a static IP, everytime it changes, I just re-route > it, it doesn't happen too often. > As of the hard disk, I am thinking of 1TB, and having a raid support, > but I heard we can have it in a software way? > > Thanks! > Hai > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Tony Cratz wrote: > > Scott Miller wrote: > >> Well any computer will work for a home server. From a random old > >> pentium laptop, some old donated pentium III machine, or a big > >> expensive honkin' box. > >> > >> That particular Dell is ok, but consider it is not quiet nor low > >> powered. Also it will require (noisy) SCSI drives (). > >> > >> Redhat is great, but unless you need to pay Redhat for a support > >> contract there are other good free options. (Ubuntu!) > >> > >> FWIW my home "server" is a $149 MSI Wind Atom-based box, > > > > > >Before we can really answer your question of what you need > >for a home server we really need the following answered: > > > >What do YOU mean by 'home server'? Do you mean you will be > >providing services to the outside world such as web pages, > >E-mail, SSH, DNS, FTP and or VoIP? > > > >Or do you mean you want it to be a web proxy, WiFi, file server > >or media server in the house? > > > >The reason why I ask is they are two different type services. > >They can be on the same box but they are really two type of > >servers. Also with one which provide services to the outside > >world you may need a different router then a standard home > >router and maybe static IP(s). > > > >Scott brings up a very good point about SCSI drives (). > >But let me also add something else to think about. Now days > >if you are going to be providing a lot of disc space it is > >getting harder to find cheap IDE drives. Most drives now are > >SATA. Which brings up the question of how much disc space > >do you plan to have on your server? Which then may mean > >you need to look at a box which will support a number of > >hard drives or look at a NAS (Network address storage) box. > > > >We can throw out a number of ideas but until we really know > >what you mean by a 'home server' we never really will be able > >to answer your question. > > > > > > > >Tony > > > > ___ > > vox-tech mailing list > > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server choice
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Hai Yi wrote: > I plan to have a stable server at home, as my data center. I would start out with some old computer from the closet because it wont handle your needs anymore. It takes far less computer to serve files across a net than it takes to create or view those same files. In fact, a tossed-in-the-closet computer can easily handle all of the ISP needs for hundreds of users. Unlimited email addresses, no size limit on emails, unlimited web space, for all your family and friends. Ive run internet servers for decades and I run two from my house now. Here is an article on this. http://any1can.blogspot.com/2006/12/everyone-can-be-internet-server.html So I would recommend starting out with something in the closet then moving up as you see a definite need. Gandalf Parker -- I used them, they used me now I am an ISP. With a knick-knack paddy-whack debian linux clone I am now my /root at /home ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server choice
first, i have already had my server running on a ubuntu box at home, i want to upgrade it to a more reliable solution since my data become more important. As to Tony's question, the services I need to have are: web pages, ssh, ftp, and svn; also as a media server for internal use. I have only a home router, but it's fine for me, at least for now; i don't really need a static IP, everytime it changes, I just re-route it, it doesn't happen too often. As of the hard disk, I am thinking of 1TB, and having a raid support, but I heard we can have it in a software way? Thanks! Hai On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Tony Cratz wrote: > Scott Miller wrote: >> Well any computer will work for a home server. From a random old >> pentium laptop, some old donated pentium III machine, or a big >> expensive honkin' box. >> >> That particular Dell is ok, but consider it is not quiet nor low >> powered. Also it will require (noisy) SCSI drives (). >> >> Redhat is great, but unless you need to pay Redhat for a support >> contract there are other good free options. (Ubuntu!) >> >> FWIW my home "server" is a $149 MSI Wind Atom-based box, > > > Before we can really answer your question of what you need > for a home server we really need the following answered: > > What do YOU mean by 'home server'? Do you mean you will be > providing services to the outside world such as web pages, > E-mail, SSH, DNS, FTP and or VoIP? > > Or do you mean you want it to be a web proxy, WiFi, file server > or media server in the house? > > The reason why I ask is they are two different type services. > They can be on the same box but they are really two type of > servers. Also with one which provide services to the outside > world you may need a different router then a standard home > router and maybe static IP(s). > > Scott brings up a very good point about SCSI drives (). > But let me also add something else to think about. Now days > if you are going to be providing a lot of disc space it is > getting harder to find cheap IDE drives. Most drives now are > SATA. Which brings up the question of how much disc space > do you plan to have on your server? Which then may mean > you need to look at a box which will support a number of > hard drives or look at a NAS (Network address storage) box. > > We can throw out a number of ideas but until we really know > what you mean by a 'home server' we never really will be able > to answer your question. > > > > Tony > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server choice
Scott Miller wrote: > Well any computer will work for a home server. From a random old > pentium laptop, some old donated pentium III machine, or a big > expensive honkin' box. > > That particular Dell is ok, but consider it is not quiet nor low > powered. Also it will require (noisy) SCSI drives (). > > Redhat is great, but unless you need to pay Redhat for a support > contract there are other good free options. (Ubuntu!) > > FWIW my home "server" is a $149 MSI Wind Atom-based box, Before we can really answer your question of what you need for a home server we really need the following answered: What do YOU mean by 'home server'? Do you mean you will be providing services to the outside world such as web pages, E-mail, SSH, DNS, FTP and or VoIP? Or do you mean you want it to be a web proxy, WiFi, file server or media server in the house? The reason why I ask is they are two different type services. They can be on the same box but they are really two type of servers. Also with one which provide services to the outside world you may need a different router then a standard home router and maybe static IP(s). Scott brings up a very good point about SCSI drives (). But let me also add something else to think about. Now days if you are going to be providing a lot of disc space it is getting harder to find cheap IDE drives. Most drives now are SATA. Which brings up the question of how much disc space do you plan to have on your server? Which then may mean you need to look at a box which will support a number of hard drives or look at a NAS (Network address storage) box. We can throw out a number of ideas but until we really know what you mean by a 'home server' we never really will be able to answer your question. Tony ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] home server choice
Well any computer will work for a home server. From a random old pentium laptop, some old donated pentium III machine, or a big expensive honkin' box. That particular Dell is ok, but consider it is not quiet nor low powered. Also it will require (noisy) SCSI drives (). Redhat is great, but unless you need to pay Redhat for a support contract there are other good free options. (Ubuntu!) FWIW my home "server" is a $149 MSI Wind Atom-based box, Scott On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 19:06, Hai Yi wrote: > I plan to have a stable server at home, as my data center. > Some friend recommended Dell Precision 470, saying it's a workstation > with server configuration and i can get it cheap from ebay; other > recommended to build a machine (if this is a better idea, can i have a > part list?) > I want to have something stable, 24/7 for one month before being > restarted and not very noisy with low electricity consumption. > I am also thinking of installing a redhat on it. > > These are just a few thoughts, tentatively. > > Anyone can give me some good ideas? > > Thanks for all the help in advanced! > > Hai > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > -- Scott ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] home server choice
I plan to have a stable server at home, as my data center. Some friend recommended Dell Precision 470, saying it's a workstation with server configuration and i can get it cheap from ebay; other recommended to build a machine (if this is a better idea, can i have a part list?) I want to have something stable, 24/7 for one month before being restarted and not very noisy with low electricity consumption. I am also thinking of installing a redhat on it. These are just a few thoughts, tentatively. Anyone can give me some good ideas? Thanks for all the help in advanced! Hai ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
