Re: [vox-tech] truetype fonts under gnome

2002-05-29 Thread msimons

On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 11:11:36PM -0700, nbs wrote:
 On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 11:03:45PM -0700, nbs wrote:
  On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 07:38:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   xfstt   - Handles the Garton font perfectly.
 (Gimp was tested, and works)

 Hmm.. Although xfstt seems to spawn a second time, and the whole X session
 seems pretty laggy, and sometimes vanishes. :^/

  I'm interested in the delay problem you are having... if you are _not_
restarting the xfstt process you shouldn't have problems.

-  What things are you doing when you notice lag or the session vanishing?

  (from what I recall X doesn't handle the disappearance of it's font
server very well, but in some testing today it appears to have gotten
loads better, in that it used to lock solid when the font server goes
away).

 root  2208  0.0  1.2  1972  800 ?S23:08   0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt 
--port 7101 --daemon --user nobody
 nobody2378  0.0  1.3  6588  832 ?S23:10   0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt 
--port 7101 --daemon --user nobody

  My guess is xfstt plays much like apache (there is one master parent
who runs as root, which forks a client process which switches to a
dummy user to actually do the work for client connections).  So the
two processes is normal.
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Re: [vox-tech] truetype fonts under gnome

2002-05-29 Thread nbs

On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 02:43:43AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I'm interested in the delay problem you are having... if you are _not_
 restarting the xfstt process you shouldn't have problems.

I'd check to see if xfstt is running.  If it is not, I start it, then
I restart X.

The exact symptom is that applications take a long time to load (or don't
before the X server dies).  This includes gnome-terminal and gfontsel...


 -  What things are you doing when you notice lag or the session vanishing?

Clicking on the Terminal or [Gnome Foot] - Programs - Utilities - Font Sel.

:)



snip
   My guess is xfstt plays much like apache (there is one master parent
 who runs as root, which forks a client process which switches to a
 dummy user to actually do the work for client connections).  So the
 two processes is normal.

Ok, cool. :)

-bill!
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Re: [vox-tech] truetype fonts under gnome

2002-05-29 Thread msimons

On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 11:51:46PM -0700, nbs wrote:
 On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 02:43:43AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm interested in the delay problem you are having... if you are _not_
  restarting the xfstt process you shouldn't have problems.
 
 I'd check to see if xfstt is running.  If it is not, I start it, then
 I restart X.

  xfstt shouldn't be aborting, it's supposed to start up and stay up 
(like apache).  I've glanced around the source code and don't see any
logging mechanism, so to figure out what is happening on your system
to hurt xfstt I would need you font pack (from /usr/share/fonts/truetype)
or access to your machine.

  -  What things are you doing when you notice lag or the session vanishing?
 
 Clicking on the Terminal or [Gnome Foot] - Programs - Utilities - Font Sel.

  I've tried repeating this step about 20 times, and can't reproduce a
problem here, I installed the msttcorefonts and that single additional
Garton font you were having a problem with.  If we can figure out
what is causing xfstt to go away that will fix your problem...
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Re: [vox-tech] truetype fonts under gnome

2002-05-28 Thread msimons

On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 03:17:07PM -0700, nbs wrote:
 The other fonts, just some downloaded TTFs, work
 fine under XFontSel, but don't get rendered
 under GFontSel and Gimp.  Instead, I just see the
 text as if it were Fixed or Clean font...

  If you could give URLs and which ones don't work that would be 
helpful.

 I'm using Debain Woody, XFree86 4, Gnome from Woody.
 Fonts are beign handled by XF86-4 via the freetype
 module (eg, not via a font server)

  What I've figured out is there are 5 different font engines available
for X on Debian... I dug up the Garton font via a web search (have you 
paid your $6 shareware fee yet ;)

  Garton and the MS TTF font pack are working on the demo box with 
xfstt as the font server.  I can forward you the magic config settings
to make this work, if you are interested.

  I'm convinced there is something about the font itself that confuses
some of the renderers... the bug is either in the renderers or the font.
Bug reports should be probably be filed against the various renderers that 
do not work (until someone who knows can check and identify what is broken
in the font itself).

TTFN,
  Mike

xfstt   - Handles the Garton font perfectly.
  (Gimp was tested, and works)
xfs-xtt - Does not handle the Garton font at all
  (both xfontsel and gfontsel broken)
xfs - Half handles Garton
  (xfontsel works, gfontsel does not)
X freetype module - behaves the same as xfs (half works)
X xtt  module - behaves as xfs-xtt (nothing works)

  xfstt has a few bonuses: it doesn't need .scale or .dir things, it will
build it's own indices with --sync option, which 
/etc/init.d/xfstt restart, does automatically.  You also just need to
specify a single directory it will automatically descend into subdirectories
to find fonts.

  The xtt module, is extra special... it uses fonts.dir but is case 
sensitive and doesn't like '.TTF' files that everyone else does.  Truetype
files must end in .ttf
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Re: [vox-tech] truetype fonts under gnome

2002-05-28 Thread nbs

On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 07:38:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 xfstt   - Handles the Garton font perfectly.
   (Gimp was tested, and works)

Enabling xfstt did the trick!  Thanks!  I guess freetype was more fussy or
buggy...

-bill!
(off to convince Star Office 5.2 to see these fonts, too)
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Re: [vox-tech] truetype fonts under gnome

2002-05-28 Thread nbs

On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 11:03:45PM -0700, nbs wrote:
 On Tue, May 28, 2002 at 07:38:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  xfstt   - Handles the Garton font perfectly.
(Gimp was tested, and works)
 
 Enabling xfstt did the trick!  Thanks!  I guess freetype was more fussy or
 buggy...
 

Hmm.. Although xfstt seems to spawn a second time, and the whole X session
seems pretty laggy, and sometimes vanishes. :^/

Could be a particularly bad TTF :^P

root  2208  0.0  1.2  1972  800 ?S23:08   0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt 
--port 7101 --daemon --user nobody
nobody2378  0.0  1.3  6588  832 ?S23:10   0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xfstt 
--port 7101 --daemon --user nobody


-bill!
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