Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
Thanks for the details. They will be very helpful. -- Larry At 10:20 AM 12/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >I have a Compaq Presario 715US which I bought in April and now have dual >boot WinXP / Redhat-8.0. Compaq/HP only supports WinXP on this machine, >but I imagine all the hardware warranties are still valid. I had >several hardware compatibility issues, the most major being ACPI support >(no APM on this machine). However, because it is a high volume model >laptop, I found tons of howtos and previous experiences on the web, >including custom kernel configurations. I am sure that no matter what >laptop you buy, you can make it work with Linux. Some may just take >more work than others. > >One recommendation: partition your hardrive into 3 parts: 1 for WinXP, >1 for Linux (including boot and swap, etc.), and 1 as FAT32 for files >you want to see by both OS's. I read that NTFS writing is still >unstable in Linux. If you only have a disk image for WinXP (as I did), >you indeed will have trouble partitioning first and then installing >WinXP. In that case you can use the latest version of Partition magic, >which now can re-partition NTFS and Ext3, along with everything else. > >Jonathan > > >Larry Ozeran wrote: > >>Thanks to everyone for all of your suggestions. :) >> >>To clarify, I have _not_ bought the laptop yet. I was looking for questions >>to ask before a purchase. You have supplied me with many, thank you. >> >>I had not considered disk swapping. I had planned to store all dictations >>on the windows partition, which could then be read by the Linux software >>(and do batch updates since reboots would be required to switch OS'). I >>suppose if I used a Zip or USB storage device to transfer data, swapping >>hard disks (and rebooting) could also work. (Anyone have good results with >>the USB keychain storage devices under both Linux and Windows?) >> >>As extensive as linux-on-laptops is, I could not find EXACT model identifer >>matches to the models I found available for purchase. (DELL Inspiron 4100 >>listed, but 4150 being sold; eight Sony Vaio PCG-R505 models on the web >>site, but none that I found available for sale.) I guess it's still caveat >>emptor and hope that the salesperson I ask questions about systems knows >>what they are talking about (winmodems, IRQ conflicts, graphics cards, >>PCMCIA). >> >>Did anyone have problems with warranty issues after converting to a dual >>boot laptop? Any problems with reinstalling Windows after repartitioning >>the drive (i.e. only had a CDROM image and not a true install)? >>(I presume that both of these issues would go away if I choose the "swap >>hard disks" recommendation.) >> >> > >___ >vox-tech mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
RE: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
Thanks for the info on the Sony's. That was what I was hoping to avoid. -- Larry At 05:46 PM 12/11/02 -0800, you wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Larry Ozeran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >[...] > >> eight Sony Vaio PCG-R505 models on the web site, but none >> that I found available for sale.) I guess it's still caveat >> emptor and hope that the salesperson I ask questions about >> systems knows what they are talking about (winmodems, IRQ >> conflicts, graphics cards, PCMCIA). > >I would strongly advise that you avoid Sony Vaio laptops. They are amoung >the most proprietary laptops in existance and even getting a different >versions of Windows, then the one it came with, to work on them can prove >incredibly difficult. A friend discovered the hardway after his comapnies 9 >month old laptops proved so propritary that he couldn't upgrade them. > >-sp > >___ >vox-tech mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 11 December 2002 02:09 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Jonathan Stickel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > NTFS writing is still unstable in Linux. > > It is. There have been two NTFS drivers for the 2.4 kernel series. The > earlier one could made to enable write support, if you felt lucky, by > editing a switch in the source code and recompiling. (The requirement > to do source-code editing was intended to signal that you are doing > something risky.) If you do that, you are strongly advised to do NT disk > cleanup (whatever the thing that does that is called) immediately upon > rebooting to NT, as there is a significant risk of filesystem > corruption. The las time I tried it I broke things. (Windows NT 4 box at work with lost password, would have had to re-install anyway...) - -- PGP/GPG Fingerprint: 3B30 C6BE B1C6 9526 7A90 34E7 11DF 44F3 7217 7BC7 On pgp.mit.edu, import with `gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 72177BC7` Also available at http://www.cal.net/~ryan/ryan_at_mother_dot_com.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9+A6sEd9E83IXe8cRAksGAJ9W9bYjFD/0PRoFPH4BJi7dP5m7WACfReDM TlSgy3W1U1ANrGqFsQnir9M= =q+nh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
Quoting Steven Peck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I would strongly advise that you avoid Sony Vaio laptops. They are > amoung the most proprietary laptops in existance and even getting a > different versions of Windows, then the one it came with, to work on > them can prove incredibly difficult. The exception was the first-generation VAIOs, such as the PCG-505TX and 505TR (P266-class). Those were very Linux-friendly, and I'm still delighted with my old 505TX. Rumour has it that they were designed by Linux/BSD-fan engineers, and that Sony HQ eventually noticed and dictated that subsequent generations be deliberately made with components that discourage "unsupported operating systems" -- e.g., USB floppies, unsupported sound and video chipsets, winmodems, etc. Unconfirmed -- but the results are consistent with that rumour. (Linux eventually overcomes each such obstacle, e.g., the USB floppy drive.) -- May those that love us love us; and those that don't love us, may God turn their hearts; and if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limping. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
RE: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
> -Original Message- > From: Larry Ozeran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] > eight Sony Vaio PCG-R505 models on the web site, but none > that I found available for sale.) I guess it's still caveat > emptor and hope that the salesperson I ask questions about > systems knows what they are talking about (winmodems, IRQ > conflicts, graphics cards, PCMCIA). I would strongly advise that you avoid Sony Vaio laptops. They are amoung the most proprietary laptops in existance and even getting a different versions of Windows, then the one it came with, to work on them can prove incredibly difficult. A friend discovered the hardway after his comapnies 9 month old laptops proved so propritary that he couldn't upgrade them. -sp ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
Quoting Jonathan Stickel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > NTFS writing is still unstable in Linux. It is. There have been two NTFS drivers for the 2.4 kernel series. The earlier one could made to enable write support, if you felt lucky, by editing a switch in the source code and recompiling. (The requirement to do source-code editing was intended to signal that you are doing something risky.) If you do that, you are strongly advised to do NT disk cleanup (whatever the thing that does that is called) immediately upon rebooting to NT, as there is a significant risk of filesystem corruption. The newer, replacement driver is rewritten from scratch, and is claimed to be superior to the old one, but so far entirely omits code for writing data to NTFS. Write code will be added at a later date. The Linux-NTFS project (who produce both the drivers and the NTFS-Utils package, which now has a beta-level ntfsresize utility for Linux) have been obliged to reverse-engineer NTFS from direct examination and experimentation, since Microsoft Corporation regards the necessary technical information as proprietary. > If you only have a disk image for WinXP (as I did), you indeed will > have trouble partitioning first and then installing WinXP. In that > case you can use the latest version of Partition magic, which now can > re-partition NTFS and Ext3, along with everything else. There are also some other options, which I detail here: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/ntfs -- Cheers, Rick Moen Emacs is a decent operating system, [EMAIL PROTECTED] but it still lacks a good text editor. ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
Thanks to everyone for all of your suggestions. :) To clarify, I have _not_ bought the laptop yet. I was looking for questions to ask before a purchase. You have supplied me with many, thank you. I had not considered disk swapping. I had planned to store all dictations on the windows partition, which could then be read by the Linux software (and do batch updates since reboots would be required to switch OS'). I suppose if I used a Zip or USB storage device to transfer data, swapping hard disks (and rebooting) could also work. (Anyone have good results with the USB keychain storage devices under both Linux and Windows?) As extensive as linux-on-laptops is, I could not find EXACT model identifer matches to the models I found available for purchase. (DELL Inspiron 4100 listed, but 4150 being sold; eight Sony Vaio PCG-R505 models on the web site, but none that I found available for sale.) I guess it's still caveat emptor and hope that the salesperson I ask questions about systems knows what they are talking about (winmodems, IRQ conflicts, graphics cards, PCMCIA). Did anyone have problems with warranty issues after converting to a dual boot laptop? Any problems with reinstalling Windows after repartitioning the drive (i.e. only had a CDROM image and not a true install)? (I presume that both of these issues would go away if I choose the "swap hard disks" recommendation.) -- Larry At 11:33 PM 12/10/02 -0800, you wrote: >Is it easy to remove and replace the harddrive in your laptop? I have some >experience with a Dell Inspiron 5000e with Win2K and Mandrake 8.2 Linux. I >just swap harddrives to change OSes. Maybe that may be the way you want to >go (unless you like the challenge of dual booting). > > >On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Geoffrey Herteg wrote: > >> Larry, >> >> Yep, my corporate lappy-top was dual-booted XP and Debian Woody prior to >> the lame BIOS password turning it into a brick (with no recovery option, >> per IBM's goal to make it 'theft-proof'). >> >> Just install XP first, then Linux. Make sure to tell LILO or Grub about >> the NTFS (you *did* use NTFS, right?) partition and it should boot fine >> (at least, it does on my T20 and did on the 570E). >> >> Hope this helps a little. I'm sure we can suggest HOWTOs if needs be. >> >> - Geoff, lost in the Pacific Northwest without his map... >> >> begin Larry Ozeran quotation: >> > Hi all -- >> > >> > I want to create a demonstration system for speech recognition (dictation) >> > and open source medical office software. I need Dragon Dictate, which >> > requires Windows 2000 or XP, more than 256 MB RAM, and at least 800 Mhz >> > CPU. (ViaVoice for Linux is simply inadequate.) What I have read recently >> > suggests Linux and XP can coexist peacefully. However, I seem to recall >> > hearing that there can be problems dual booting with Windows XP, e.g. XP >> > must be installed first. Does anyone know of any gotchas to be aware of >> > when deciding which laptop to buy? >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > -- Larry >> > >> > ___ >> > vox-tech mailing list >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> >> > >-- >R. Douglas Barbieri >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.dooglio.net > >"That government is best which governs the least, because its people > discipline themselves." > >-- Thomas Jefferson > >GPG Fingerprint: FE6A 6A57 2B95 7594 E534 BFEE 45F1 9E5E F30A 8A27 >GPG Public key : http://www.dooglio.net/dooglio.gpg > > >___ >vox-tech mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
Larry, Yep, my corporate lappy-top was dual-booted XP and Debian Woody prior to the lame BIOS password turning it into a brick (with no recovery option, per IBM's goal to make it 'theft-proof'). Just install XP first, then Linux. Make sure to tell LILO or Grub about the NTFS (you *did* use NTFS, right?) partition and it should boot fine (at least, it does on my T20 and did on the 570E). Hope this helps a little. I'm sure we can suggest HOWTOs if needs be. - Geoff, lost in the Pacific Northwest without his map... begin Larry Ozeran quotation: > Hi all -- > > I want to create a demonstration system for speech recognition (dictation) > and open source medical office software. I need Dragon Dictate, which > requires Windows 2000 or XP, more than 256 MB RAM, and at least 800 Mhz > CPU. (ViaVoice for Linux is simply inadequate.) What I have read recently > suggests Linux and XP can coexist peacefully. However, I seem to recall > hearing that there can be problems dual booting with Windows XP, e.g. XP > must be installed first. Does anyone know of any gotchas to be aware of > when deciding which laptop to buy? > > Thanks. > > -- Larry > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech -- Geoffrey M. Herteg | I figure we demand some weird stuff so that [EMAIL PROTECTED] | later we can plead insanity. -- Airheads http://www.herteg.net | ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
Quoting ME ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > B4 u buy, check to see if others have had problems with your model > laptop: > > http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ It's worth also knowing about the MobiliX site: http://mobilix.org/ I list in one place what I think are the most-useful resources about Linux hardware support, here: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/help-resources -- Cheers, Rick Moen Never ask a sysadmin "What's up?" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Anyone have experience with Windows XP & Linux on a Laptop?
B4 u buy, check to see if others have had problems with your model laptop: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ Grab IRQ information and vendors for things like ethernet cards and model numbers from windows if you have it. Winmodem are a notorious problem - especially with laptops. Grpahics card support is getting better in XFree86 v4, but can still be an issue (especially for 3d support) again, check the linux laptops page. I have and like My Dell laptop, and my older IBM ThinkPad. The ThinkPad (eventually) had everything supported. (No built-in modem, and this was a 6 year old paperweight.) My Newer Dell is a big brick-like thing, but the only thing not supported in Linux is the WinModem. (Tis ok since I have a 3com combo ethernet and modem in one.) If you want to buy PCMCIA cards, check to see if the card is supported: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pcmcia-cs/pcmcia-cs-3.2.3.tar.gz?use_mirror=easynews (Check the file supported cards (if strill there) to see what is supported.) There are many more thoughts and suggestions on laptops and linux. The above covers many ideas I would have "off the top." Mark K. Kim said: > I installed, with permission, Linux on the company laptop (which I'm > using now) that already had Windows XP installed; it's a dual-boot. > It's an HP Pavilion XF255 we purchased from Costco. Works great! > > I used a partitioning software to partition NTFS, then installed > Mandrake 8.2. I think everything got autodetected nicely, though due to > various work needs I'm using mostly the Windows side. > > As a sidenote, installing Putty, Cygwin, and DJGPP sweetened up the XP > really nicely. And I got around the lack of the start.exe program by > aliasing `start` to `cmd /c start`. Very nice. > > -Mark > > > On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Larry Ozeran wrote: > >> Hi all -- >> >> I want to create a demonstration system for speech recognition >> (dictation) and open source medical office software. I need Dragon >> Dictate, which requires Windows 2000 or XP, more than 256 MB RAM, and >> at least 800 Mhz CPU. (ViaVoice for Linux is simply inadequate.) What >> I have read recently suggests Linux and XP can coexist peacefully. >> However, I seem to recall hearing that there can be problems dual >> booting with Windows XP, e.g. XP must be installed first. Does anyone >> know of any gotchas to be aware of when deciding which laptop to buy? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- Larry >> >> ___ >> vox-tech mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> > > -- > Mark K. Kim > http://www.cbreak.org/ > PGP key available upon request. > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
