Re: USB and serial (was Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue)
On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 11:39, Dave Margolis wrote: > with my belkin upsd (aka bulldog), i don't remember what i did to > recognize that anything was working, but i set the settings to shut down > after 15 minutes. when i pulled the power plug out, everybody logged in > got a message via write that they had 15 minutes to log out or whatever. > then, it did perform a clean shutdown after 15 mintues. after that i went > in and configured things a bit more... > > it looks like you're there, you just have to figure out exactly which > devide got picked up by hid. my guess is /dev/input/js0 (since it > mentioned its using a joystick driver). give that try and see what > happens. Tried it... didn't work. Sob. The status line at the bottom of the monitor window says "connection established", but it is displaying nothing about the UPS device or about my computer. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 Howard Dean for America: http://www.deanforamerica.com http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: USB and serial (was Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue)
with my belkin upsd (aka bulldog), i don't remember what i did to recognize that anything was working, but i set the settings to shut down after 15 minutes. when i pulled the power plug out, everybody logged in got a message via write that they had 15 minutes to log out or whatever. then, it did perform a clean shutdown after 15 mintues. after that i went in and configured things a bit more... it looks like you're there, you just have to figure out exactly which devide got picked up by hid. my guess is /dev/input/js0 (since it mentioned its using a joystick driver). give that try and see what happens. dave On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Richard Crawford wrote: > Dave Margolis said: > > > somewhere in that belkin software there is a device setting. the > > default is /dev/ttyS0. > > > > maybe look in dmesg to see if it is registering a usb device? > > Here is the line that looks most relevant to me from dmesg: > > hiddev0: USB HID v1.00 Joystick [BELKIN UPS] on usb1:2.0 > > Looks to me like it's showing up as a USB device. > > Right now I have the Belkin Bulldog sentry software pointing to > /dev/ttyUSB0; at that setting it doesn't, at least, return an error > saying, "Cannot connect to device". It says it's connected, but it > doesn't get any information from the UPS... nothing about voltage, > capacity, nothing. > > I tried pointing it to /dev/ttyUSB1 and it wouldn't even connect. Should > I try pointing it at /dev/ttyUSB2? > > > > my gut feeling is you should be able to get that to work. if not > > though, how about exchanging it for one of their serial models? i have > > a belkin ups that i've been really happy with. > > It looks like it would be a good product. Heh. On the positive side, > once I got the ncurses issue sorted out, upsd seems to be running just > fine. I just wish I could figure out how to talk to it and get some > information out of it. > > > Sláinte, > Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) > > http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview > Howard Dean for America: http://www.deanforamerica.com > "I really didn't realize the librarians were, you know, such a dangerous > group. They are subversive. You think they're just sitting there at the > desk, all quiet and everything. They're like plotting the revolution, man. > I wouldn't mess with them." > --Michael Moore > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: USB and serial (was Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue)
Dave Margolis said: > somewhere in that belkin software there is a device setting. the > default is /dev/ttyS0. > > maybe look in dmesg to see if it is registering a usb device? Here is the line that looks most relevant to me from dmesg: hiddev0: USB HID v1.00 Joystick [BELKIN UPS] on usb1:2.0 Looks to me like it's showing up as a USB device. Right now I have the Belkin Bulldog sentry software pointing to /dev/ttyUSB0; at that setting it doesn't, at least, return an error saying, "Cannot connect to device". It says it's connected, but it doesn't get any information from the UPS... nothing about voltage, capacity, nothing. I tried pointing it to /dev/ttyUSB1 and it wouldn't even connect. Should I try pointing it at /dev/ttyUSB2? > my gut feeling is you should be able to get that to work. if not > though, how about exchanging it for one of their serial models? i have > a belkin ups that i've been really happy with. It looks like it would be a good product. Heh. On the positive side, once I got the ncurses issue sorted out, upsd seems to be running just fine. I just wish I could figure out how to talk to it and get some information out of it. Sláinte, Richard S. Crawford (AIM: Buffalo2K) http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com/catseyeview Howard Dean for America: http://www.deanforamerica.com "I really didn't realize the librarians were, you know, such a dangerous group. They are subversive. You think they're just sitting there at the desk, all quiet and everything. They're like plotting the revolution, man. I wouldn't mess with them." --Michael Moore ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: USB and serial (was Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue)
somewhere in that belkin software there is a device setting. the default is /dev/ttyS0. maybe look in dmesg to see if it is registering a usb device? my gut feeling is you should be able to get that to work. if not though, how about exchanging it for one of their serial models? i have a belkin ups that i've been really happy with. dave m. On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > Unfortunately, the box on mine proudly proclaims that my model is USB > only. And there is indeed no serial port on the back. > > When Jennifer first found it on Belkin's website, I examined it and saw > that the copy said it was compatible with Linux. And, indeed, there is > a Linux version of the software on the CD that came with the UPS. > However, when I looked at the product description again on Belkin's > website, I couldn't find anything saying it was Linux friendly. I feel > like I've been had. > > Assuming the software wants to talk to a serial port, and the device > only has a USB port, is there a way to make them talk to each other? > > > On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 00:55, Samuel N. Merritt wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 10:53:47PM -0800, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > > > Thanks, Pete and Ken. That helped a lot! > > > > > > Of course, there are new issues now. Like the fact that the device > > > connects to the computer via a USB connection, but the software seems to > > > want to talk to a serial port. I'll get it working somehow. > > > > I have a Regulator Pro Gold, and it has a serial port as well as a USB > > port. I could be mistaken, but I think the serial cable is just a plain > > old serial cable. > > > > I had NUT working with that UPS for a couple years using the serial > > cable with nearly zero effort. I tried once or twice to hook it up via > > USB, but I never did get the software to do anything useful. > -- > Slainte, > Richard S. Crawford > AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 > Howard Dean for America: http://www.deanforamerica.com > http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com > "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential > is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: USB and serial (was Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue)
Ken Herron wrote: --On Tuesday, February 03, 2004 06:23:43 AM -0800 "Richard S. Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Assuming the software wants to talk to a serial port, and the device only has a USB port, is there a way to make them talk to each other? If the kernel supports this UPS, then when the UPS is plugged into a USB port, the kernel should create some devices for software to interact with it. If the UPS requires a serial-port device then I'd expect the kernel to create a serial port for it. What does the kernel do when you plug the UPS into a USB port? You will need USB Serial Converter support compiled into your kernel (probably default for RH8). # # USB Serial Converter support # CONFIG_USB_SERIAL=m # CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GENERIC=y CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_BELKIN=m ... When you plug in your "USB-serial" device, serial device(s) will "magically appear" in your /dev filesystem. For my handspring cradle, it is /dev/usb/tts/0 and /dev/usb/tts/1. Then you need to get software to talk to one of these. Try some googling. Jonathan ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: USB and serial (was Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue)
--On Tuesday, February 03, 2004 06:23:43 AM -0800 "Richard S. Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Assuming the software wants to talk to a serial port, and the device only has a USB port, is there a way to make them talk to each other? If the kernel supports this UPS, then when the UPS is plugged into a USB port, the kernel should create some devices for software to interact with it. If the UPS requires a serial-port device then I'd expect the kernel to create a serial port for it. What does the kernel do when you plug the UPS into a USB port? -- Ken Herron ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
USB and serial (was Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue)
Unfortunately, the box on mine proudly proclaims that my model is USB only. And there is indeed no serial port on the back. When Jennifer first found it on Belkin's website, I examined it and saw that the copy said it was compatible with Linux. And, indeed, there is a Linux version of the software on the CD that came with the UPS. However, when I looked at the product description again on Belkin's website, I couldn't find anything saying it was Linux friendly. I feel like I've been had. Assuming the software wants to talk to a serial port, and the device only has a USB port, is there a way to make them talk to each other? On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 00:55, Samuel N. Merritt wrote: > On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 10:53:47PM -0800, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > > Thanks, Pete and Ken. That helped a lot! > > > > Of course, there are new issues now. Like the fact that the device > > connects to the computer via a USB connection, but the software seems to > > want to talk to a serial port. I'll get it working somehow. > > I have a Regulator Pro Gold, and it has a serial port as well as a USB > port. I could be mistaken, but I think the serial cable is just a plain > old serial cable. > > I had NUT working with that UPS for a couple years using the serial > cable with nearly zero effort. I tried once or twice to hook it up via > USB, but I never did get the software to do anything useful. -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 Howard Dean for America: http://www.deanforamerica.com http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 10:53:47PM -0800, Richard S. Crawford wrote: > Thanks, Pete and Ken. That helped a lot! > > Of course, there are new issues now. Like the fact that the device > connects to the computer via a USB connection, but the software seems to > want to talk to a serial port. I'll get it working somehow. I have a Regulator Pro Gold, and it has a serial port as well as a USB port. I could be mistaken, but I think the serial cable is just a plain old serial cable. I had NUT working with that UPS for a couple years using the serial cable with nearly zero effort. I tried once or twice to hook it up via USB, but I never did get the software to do anything useful. -- Samuel Merritt OpenPGP key: http://meat.andcheese.org/~spam/spam_at_andcheese_dot_org.asc PGP information can be found at http://www.mindspring.com/~aegreene/pgp/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue
Thanks, Pete and Ken. That helped a lot! Of course, there are new issues now. Like the fact that the device connects to the computer via a USB connection, but the software seems to want to talk to a serial port. I'll get it working somehow. > -- Slainte, Richard S. Crawford AIM: Buffalo2K / Y!: rscrawford / ICQ: 11640404 Howard Dean for America: http://www.deanforamerica.com http://www.mossroot.com http://www.stonegoose.com "It is only with our heart that we can see clearly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." --Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue
--On Monday, February 02, 2004 10:11:45 PM -0800 "Richard S. Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My wife just picked up for us a Belkin UPS device: a "Regulator Pro Gold Series", which looks pretty spiffy. I hooked it up and attached my RH8 server to it, and now I'm trying to get the ups daemon installed. Unfortunately, whenever I try to start up the daemon, I get this error: "Error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" ...which doesn't surprise me, since the software was tested against no later version of RH than 6.2. If you go to rpmfind.net and search on "libncurses.so.4", it lists an RPM called ncurses4-5.0-9.i386.rpm for RH 8.0. This is supposed to be a compatibility version of the ncurses package. You should have a copy of it on your RH8 installation CDs. -- Ken Herron ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] lbncurses.so.4 issue
On Mon 02 Feb 04, 10:11 PM, Richard S. Crawford said: > My wife just picked up for us a Belkin UPS device: a "Regulator Pro Gold > Series", which looks pretty spiffy. I hooked it up and attached my RH8 > server to it, and now I'm trying to get the ups daemon installed. > > Unfortunately, whenever I try to start up the daemon, I get this error: > > "Error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.4: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory" > > ...which doesn't surprise me, since the software was tested against no > later version of RH than 6.2. > > My question is, is there a way to get it to talk to RH8? I tried > opening the "upsd" script, but it's a binary file and I can't look at > the source code. And while Belkin says it's compatible with Linux, > there is no documentation on their website, and the documentation on the > CD is lousy. you need to install ncurses 4 (the current version is 5). on debian, it's simple: apt-get install libncurses4 and you're done. debian allows you to have both versions 4 and 5 concurrently, but debian is pretty good about things like that. for redhat, you'll have to hunt down the ncurses 4 rpm. to see what versions of ncurses you presently have installed, do: rpm -qa | grep ncurses i seem to recall rpmfind.net was a good resource. you might want to read: http://www.dirac.org/linux/libraries.html to learn a bit about libraries. i wrote this when i was a real newbie. i refer to ncurses 4 as being "new". :) pete -- Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. -- Albert Einstein GPG Instructions: http://www.dirac.org/linux/gpg GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
