Re: [vpp-dev] Query on VPP in Aure

2022-05-18 Thread John Martinez
Hello Matt,

Can you *please *confirm which DPDK and VPP versions you have that are
working in Azure?

I am hoping to get a base build with no errors and the ability to set MTU
size...

*Thank you in advance for your help!!!*

--
John M.


On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 1:42 PM Matthew Smith  wrote:

>
> Sorry, there was a typo. You should use DPDK_MLX5_COMMON_PMD=y instead
> of DPDK_MLX_COMMON_PMD=y.
>
> -Matt
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 11:28 AM Johnny Martinez 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Matt!
>>
>> *Thank you very much for the reply!*
>>
>> Our end goal is to be using Alma Linux but we went ahead and tried it in
>> a fresh Ubuntu 20.04 installation with the same result.
>>
>> It looks like it is unable to compile the *mlx5 drivers*.
>>
>> *I’ve attached the complete build log for your review.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Build was started with:*
>>
>> *make DPDK_MLX4_PMD=y DPDK_MLX5_PMD=y DPDK_MLX_COMMON_PMD=y pkg-deb | tee
>> /root/vpp-build.log*
>>
>>
>>
>> As an extra precaution, the vpp.mk content is:
>>
>>
>>
>> *MACHINE=$(shell uname -m)*
>>
>> *vpp_arch = native*
>>
>> *vpp_root_packages = vpp*
>>
>> *vpp_debug_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = debug*
>>
>> *vpp_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = release*
>>
>> *vpp_clang_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = release*
>>
>> *vpp_gcov_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = gcov*
>>
>> *vpp_coverity_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = coverity*
>>
>> *vpp_dpdk_inc_dir = /usr/include/dpdk/*
>>
>> *vpp_dpdk_lib_dir = /usr/lib64/*
>>
>> *vpp_uses_dpdk_mlx4_pmd = yes*
>>
>> *DPDK_MLX4_PMD=y*
>>
>> *DPDK_MLX5_PMD=y*
>>
>> *DPDK_MLX_COMMON_PMD=y*
>>
>>
>>
>> The build completes, but there’s an issue with the MLX5 driver. As seen
>> in the build log, the *MLX4 is built, but MLX5 is not*. I’ve tried
>> searching online, but there’s reference to *glue* with regard to the
>> MLX5, but nothing actionable I could find:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Part 1: Shows that the library “mlx4” and “mlx5” are included as part of
>> “make” (means our build options were correctly interperated):*
>>
>>
>>
>> *cmake3 --build
>> /root/azure/vpp/build-root/rpmbuild/vpp-22.06/build-root/build-vpp-native/external/build-rdma-core
>> -- libccan.a libibverbs.a librdma_util.a libmlx5.a libmlx4.a >
>> /root/azure/vpp/build-root/rpmbuild/vpp-22.06/build-root/build-vpp-native/external/rdma-core.build.log*
>>
>> *sed 's/^Libs.private:.*/Libs.private: -lmlx4 -lmlx5 -libverbs
>> -lrdma_util -lccan -lpthread/' -i
>> /root/azure/vpp/build-root/rpmbuild/vpp-22.06/build-root/build-vpp-native/external/build-rdma-core/lib/pkgconfig/libibverbs.pc
>> >>
>> /root/azure/vpp/build-root/rpmbuild/vpp-22.06/build-root/build-vpp-native/external/rdma-core.build.log*
>>
>>
>> *Part 2: Shows that MLX5 is missing “common_mlx5” (which I can’t find a
>> way to install…?) so is disabled. MLX4 however, is built:*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Using 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH' from environment with value:
>> '/root/azure/vpp/build-root/rpmbuild/vpp-22.06/build-root/install-vpp-native/external/lib/pkgconfig'*
>>
>> *Run-time dependency libmlx4 found: YES 1.0.39.1*
>>
>> *Using 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH' from environment with value:
>> '/root/azure/vpp/build-root/rpmbuild/vpp-22.06/build-root/install-vpp-native/external/lib/pkgconfig'*
>>
>> *Run-time dependency libibverbs found: YES 1.14.39.1*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -std=c11: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -Wno-strict-prototypes
>> -Wstrict-prototypes: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -D_BSD_SOURCE: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600: YES*
>>
>> *Header  has symbol
>> "MLX4DV_SET_CTX_ATTR_BUF_ALLOCATORS" with dependencies libmlx4, libibverbs:
>> YES*
>>
>> *Header  has symbol "MLX4DV_QP_MASK_UAR_MMAP_OFFSET"
>> with dependencies libmlx4, libibverbs: YES*
>>
>> *Checking whether type "struct mlx4_wqe_lso_seg" has member
>> "mss_hdr_size" with dependencies libmlx4, libibverbs: YES*
>>
>> *Configuring mlx4_autoconf.h using configuration*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -std=c11: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -Wno-strict-prototypes
>> -Wstrict-prototypes: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -D_BSD_SOURCE: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -D_DEFAULT_SOURCE: YES*
>>
>> *Compiler for C supports arguments -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=600: YES*
>>
>> *Message: Disabling mlx5 [drivers/net/mlx5]: missing internal dependency
>> "common_mlx5"*
>>
>> *Run-time dependency libmusdk found: NO (tried pkgconfig)*
>>
>> *Run-time dependency libmusdk found: NO (tried pkgconfig)*
>>
>> *Run-time dependency netcope-common found: NO (tried pkgconfig)*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Part 3: Shows multiple missing “internal dependency” issues:*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Message: Disabling dpaa [drivers/dma/dpaa]: missing internal dependency
>> "bus_dpaa"*
>>
>> *Message: Disabling dpaa [drivers/net/dpaa]: missing internal dependency
>> "mempool_dpaa"*
>>
>> *Message: Disabling kni [drivers/net/kni]: missing internal dependency
>> "kni"*
>>
>> *Message: Disabling mlx5 [drivers/net/mlx5]: missing internal dependency
>> 

Re: [vpp-dev] Query on VPP in Aure

2022-05-03 Thread John Martinez
LDEV_ATTR_DEV_INDEX" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "RDMA_NLDEV_ATTR_DEV_NAME" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "RDMA_NLDEV_ATTR_PORT_INDEX" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "RDMA_NLDEV_ATTR_PORT_STATE" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "RDMA_NLDEV_ATTR_NDEV_INDEX" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "mlx5dv_dump_dr_domain" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol
"mlx5dv_dr_action_create_flow_sampler" with dependencies libmlx5,
libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol
"mlx5dv_dr_domain_set_reclaim_device_memory" with dependencies libmlx5,
libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol
"mlx5dv_dr_action_create_dest_array" with dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs:
YES
Header  has symbol "DEVLINK_GENL_NAME" with dependencies
libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "mlx5dv_dr_action_create_aso" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "INFINIBAND_VERBS_H" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "MLX5_WQE_UMR_CTRL_FLAG_INLINE"
with dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "mlx5dv_dump_dr_rule" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol
"MLX5DV_DR_ACTION_FLAGS_ASO_CT_DIRECTION_INITIATOR" with dependencies
libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol
"mlx5dv_dr_domain_allow_duplicate_rules" with dependencies libmlx5,
libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "ibv_reg_mr_iova" with dependencies
libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Header  has symbol "ibv_import_device" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Checking whether type "struct mlx5dv_sw_parsing_caps" has member
"sw_parsing_offloads" with dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
*Checking whether type "struct ibv_counter_set_init_attr" has member
"counter_set_id" with dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: NO*
Checking whether type "struct ibv_counters_init_attr" has member
"comp_mask" with dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES
Checking whether type "struct mlx5dv_devx_uar" has member "mmap_off" with
dependencies libmlx5, libibverbs: YES

--
Johnny


On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 7:25 PM John Martinez via lists.fd.io  wrote:

> Hello Matt,
>
> Thank you again for the response.
>
> So we were able to compile but now are unable to start VPP.
>
> We are seeing the following errors:
>
> I rebuilt, and got:
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: perfmon: skipping source
> 'intel-uncore' - intel_uncore_init: no uncore units found
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: perfmon: skipping source 'intel-uncore'
> - intel_uncore_init: no uncore units found
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:617: Could
> not initialize TLS CA certificates
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_mbedtls_init:652: failed
> to initialize TLS CA chain
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:617: Could not
> initialize TLS CA certificates
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_mbedtls_init:652: failed to
> initialize TLS CA chain
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:1083:
> Could not initialize TLS CA certificates
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_openssl_init:1206:
> failed to initialize TLS CA chain
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:1083: Could not
> initialize TLS CA certificates
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_openssl_init:1206: failed to
> initialize TLS CA chain
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: vlib_vmbus_bind_to_uio:
> Skipping VMBUS device 000d3a8a-a89d-000d-3a8a-a89d000d3a8a as host
> interface eth0 is up
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vlib_vmbus_bind_to_uio: Skipping VMBUS
> device 000d3a8a-a89d-000d-3a8a-a89d000d3a8a as host interface eth0 is up
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vnet[2161]: dpdk: Interface Ethernet0/2/0 error
> -22: Unknown error -22
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vnet[2161]: dpdk: Interface Ethernet0/2/0 error
> -22: Unknown error -22
>
> May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vnet[2161]: dpdk: [0] setup failed Errors:
>
> rte_eth_tx_queue_setup[port:0,
> errno:-22]: Unknown error -22
>
>   rte_eth_rx_queue_setup[port:0,
> errno:-22]: Unknown error -22
>
> May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: received signal SIGSEGV, PC
> 0x7f4ba079c12c, faulting address 0xdd7
>
> May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #0  0x7f4ba12a69d7 0x7f4ba12a69d7
>
> May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #1

Re: [vpp-dev] Query on VPP in Aure

2022-05-02 Thread John Martinez
Hello Matt,

Thank you again for the response.

So we were able to compile but now are unable to start VPP.

We are seeing the following errors:

I rebuilt, and got:

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: perfmon: skipping source
'intel-uncore' - intel_uncore_init: no uncore units found

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: perfmon: skipping source 'intel-uncore'
- intel_uncore_init: no uncore units found

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:617: Could
not initialize TLS CA certificates

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_mbedtls_init:652: failed
to initialize TLS CA chain

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:617: Could not
initialize TLS CA certificates

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_mbedtls_init:652: failed to
initialize TLS CA chain

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:1083: Could
not initialize TLS CA certificates

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: tls_openssl_init:1206: failed
to initialize TLS CA chain

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_init_ca_chain:1083: Could not
initialize TLS CA certificates

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: tls_openssl_init:1206: failed to
initialize TLS CA chain

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vpp[2161]: vlib_vmbus_bind_to_uio:
Skipping VMBUS device 000d3a8a-a89d-000d-3a8a-a89d000d3a8a as host
interface eth0 is up

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vpp[2161]: vlib_vmbus_bind_to_uio: Skipping VMBUS
device 000d3a8a-a89d-000d-3a8a-a89d000d3a8a as host interface eth0 is up

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vnet[2161]: dpdk: Interface Ethernet0/2/0 error
-22: Unknown error -22

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vnet[2161]: dpdk: Interface Ethernet0/2/0 error
-22: Unknown error -22

May 02 20:20:24 demo001 vnet[2161]: dpdk: [0] setup failed Errors:

rte_eth_tx_queue_setup[port:0,
errno:-22]: Unknown error -22

  rte_eth_rx_queue_setup[port:0,
errno:-22]: Unknown error -22

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: received signal SIGSEGV, PC
0x7f4ba079c12c, faulting address 0xdd7

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #0  0x7f4ba12a69d7 0x7f4ba12a69d7

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #1  0x7f4ba0be0c20 0x7f4ba0be0c20

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #2  0x7f4ba079c12c 0x7f4ba079c12c

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #3  0x7f4ba079dbfe va_format + 0xee

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #4  0x7f4ba079fb04 format + 0x84

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #5  0x7f4ba079b88c 0x7f4ba079b88c

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #6  0x7f4ba079dbfe va_format + 0xee

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #7  0x7f4ba124a9f8 vlib_log + 0x2a8

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #8  0x7f4b5b160305 0x7f4b5b160305

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #9  0x7f4b5b170382 0x7f4b5b170382

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #10 0x7f4b5b1750a6 0x7f4b5b1750a6

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #11 0x7f4ba124bac6 0x7f4ba124bac6

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vnet[2161]: #12 0x7f4ba07b3e10 0x7f4ba07b3e10

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 vpp[2161]: Failed to save post-mortem API trace to
/tmp/api_post_mortem.2161

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 systemd[1]: vpp.service: Main process exited,
code=killed, status=6/ABRT

May 02 20:20:25 demo001 systemd[1]: vpp.service: Failed with result
'signal'.

-- Subject: Unit failed





This time, vpp doesn’t even start up due to the above errors.



*Is there a specific kernel version you used?*

--
John M.


On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 1:42 PM Matthew Smith  wrote:

>
> Sorry, there was a typo. You should use DPDK_MLX5_COMMON_PMD=y instead
> of DPDK_MLX_COMMON_PMD=y.
>
> -Matt
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 11:28 AM Johnny Martinez 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Matt!
>>
>> *Thank you very much for the reply!*
>>
>> Our end goal is to be using Alma Linux but we went ahead and tried it in
>> a fresh Ubuntu 20.04 installation with the same result.
>>
>> It looks like it is unable to compile the *mlx5 drivers*.
>>
>> *I’ve attached the complete build log for your review.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Build was started with:*
>>
>> *make DPDK_MLX4_PMD=y DPDK_MLX5_PMD=y DPDK_MLX_COMMON_PMD=y pkg-deb | tee
>> /root/vpp-build.log*
>>
>>
>>
>> As an extra precaution, the vpp.mk content is:
>>
>>
>>
>> *MACHINE=$(shell uname -m)*
>>
>> *vpp_arch = native*
>>
>> *vpp_root_packages = vpp*
>>
>> *vpp_debug_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = debug*
>>
>> *vpp_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = release*
>>
>> *vpp_clang_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = release*
>>
>> *vpp_gcov_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = gcov*
>>
>> *vpp_coverity_TAG_BUILD_TYPE = coverity*
>>
>> *vpp_dpdk_inc_dir = /usr/include/dpdk/*
>>
>> *vpp_dpdk_lib_dir = /usr/lib64/*
>>
>> *vpp_uses_dpdk_mlx4_pmd = yes*
>>
>> *DPDK_MLX4_PMD=y*
>>
>> *DPDK_MLX5_PMD=y*
>>
>> *DPDK_MLX_COMMON_PMD=y*
>>
>>
>>
>> The build completes, but there’s an issue with the MLX5 driver. As seen
>> in the build log, the *MLX4 is built, but MLX5 is not*. I’ve tried
>> searching online, but there’s reference to *glue* with regard 

Re: [vpp-dev] Query on VPP in Aure

2022-04-29 Thread John Martinez
Johnny Martinez 
9:57 AM (5 hours ago)
to Benoit
*@Ben *- thank you *VERY *much for the detailed response!

I had *partial *success but almost there - now I am seeing some DPDK errors
and other behavior outlined below.

On my test device I have 3 interfaces:

   - Management interface (kernel interface, not managed by VPP)
   - vpp-wan interface
   - vpp-lan interface

I configureD the interfaces with the following:

set logging class linux-cp rate-limit 1000 level warn syslog-level notice


lcp default netns dataplane

lcp lcp-sync on

lcp lcp-auto-subint on


# vpp-wan

vpp# lcp create NetVSC1 host-if vpp-wan

vpp# set int state NetVSC1 up

vpp# set int ip address NetVSC1 10.0.2.4/24

vpp#  ip route add 0.0.0.0/0 via 10.0.2.1


# vpp-lan

vpp# lcp create NetVSC0 host-if vpp-lan

vpp# set int state NetVSC0 up

vpp# set int ip address NetVSC0 10.0.1.4/24


I am now able to see the two interfaces in vpp *HOWEVER *I am not able to
set the MTU size on either interface to 1500.

vpp# set int mtu 1500 NetVSC0
set interface mtu: Unsupported (dpdk driver doesn't support MTU change)
vpp# set int mtu 1500 NetVSC1
set interface mtu: Unsupported (dpdk driver doesn't support MTU change)


I see the following in the log files using '*journalctl  | grep dpdk*' - we
get two seperate DPDK errors. *One seems to be interface specific and the
other when we try to set the MTU size*.

The *orange *error is every second - whereas the MTU error is only when we
try to set the MTU size.

*Apr 29 12:55:15 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_add(): RNDIS
reports VF but device not found, retrying*

*Apr 29 12:55:16 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_attach():
Couldn't find port for VF*

*Apr 29 12:55:16 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_add(): RNDIS
reports VF but device not found, retrying*

*Apr 29 12:55:16 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_attach():
Couldn't find port for VF*

*Apr 29 12:55:16 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_add(): RNDIS
reports VF but device not found, retrying*

*Apr 29 12:55:16 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: [0]
rte_eth_dev_set_mtu failed (mtu 1496, rv -95)*

*Apr 29 12:55:16 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: set interface mtu:
Unsupported (dpdk driver doesn't support MTU change*

*Apr 29 12:55:17 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_attach():
Couldn't find port for VF*

*Apr 29 12:55:17 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_add(): RNDIS
reports VF but device not found, retrying*

*Apr 29 12:55:17 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_attach():
Couldn't find port for VF*

*Apr 29 12:55:17 azure-demo-node-001.vnet[2409]: dpdk: hn_vf_add(): RNDIS
reports VF but device not found, retrying*


Anyone have any recommendation on how to resolve this?

*I have also tried setting dev XXX and vdev commands in the dpdk{} block,
but this causes the virtual interfaces not to be found (as you have
previously mentioned).*

*Thank you all in advance for your assistance!*

--
John M


On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:40 PM Matthew Smith  wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> Sure, I'll work on an update to the doc.
>
> -Matt
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:48 AM Benoit Ganne (bganne) 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Matt, John,
>>
>> This is a great summary!
>>
>> >> The only reference I could find for VPP in Azure was in this link
>> >> but it is very outdated:
>> >> https://fd.io/docs/vpp/v2101/usecases/vppinazure.html
>>
>> > Yes, that doc is way outdated. I advise against following the
>> instructions
>> > in it.
>>
>> Matt or John, would you mind proposing a patch for that? Even a quick &
>> dirty "here are the steps you need to follow" would be great.
>>
>> Best
>> ben
>>
>

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[vpp-dev] Query on VPP in Aure

2022-04-28 Thread John Martinez
Hello everyone!

This is my first post to the list!

I was able to setup VPP in AWS after properly identifying the instance type
that would allow VPP to grap the PCI addresses that I needed to specify in
the /etc/vpp/startup.conf in the dpdk stanza.

I used an m5.2xlarge in AWS and it works well!

[image: image.png]

I am now looking to setup VPP in an Azure instance but lspci is
showing only a single Mellanox PCI device even though I added the
additional interfaces to the VM.

[image: image.png]

I tried DS3 and DS4 instance types in Azure

The only reference I could find for VPP in Azure was in this link but it is
very outdated:

https://fd.io/docs/vpp/v2101/usecases/vppinazure.html

Has anyone successfully installed and used VPP in Azure, if so,what
instance type did you use?

Any other Azure hints and tips welcome!

Thank you in advance for your help!

--
John M.

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