Re: [vserver] Add something to this menue
gimp ? This menu cames when I type "newvserver" in the console ! Mfg Timo Herbert Poetzl wrote: On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Timo Müller wrote: Hello !! I´ve one question. How can I add (for example SUSE 9.2 or FedoraCore3) in this menue :http://iceti.ic.funpic.de/menu.jpg hmm, probably with gimp ... ;) no seriously, where is this 'menu' from ... TIA, Herbert Thanx ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Linux (2.6.10) Patch Vserver (1.9.4) + Grsecurity (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225)
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 04:03:11PM -0500, Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > >>kernel, is there any chance VServer patch ever will? > > > >well, actually I do not really consider linux-vserver > >so general that it should be on every linux box, be > >it my mobile phone or your favorite linux game engine > >it's very specific software and I guess it's not worth > >the code in mainline when it is used by, let's say 1% > >of the linux kernel users ... > > But on the other hand this (or very similar) functionality > is standard in FreeBSD and Solaris. yes, except that IMHO the FreeBSD jail is a better chroot() with none of the resource or virtualization features present in linux-vserver and solaris is bloated anyways ... but don't get me wrong here, if the mainline folks manage to agree on some 'common' stuff which they want to see included, I'll be the last person to stand in their way ... It's just not a priority for me to get it into mainline at any cost ... hope that clarifies, Herbert > Grisha > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Linux (2.6.10) Patch Vserver (1.9.4) + Grsecurity (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225)
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote: kernel, is there any chance VServer patch ever will? well, actually I do not really consider linux-vserver so general that it should be on every linux box, be it my mobile phone or your favorite linux game engine it's very specific software and I guess it's not worth the code in mainline when it is used by, let's say 1% of the linux kernel users ... But on the other hand this (or very similar) functionality is standard in FreeBSD and Solaris. Grisha ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Linux (2.6.10) Patch Vserver (1.9.4) + Grsecurity (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225)
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 07:05:43PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 06:16:09PM +0100, Benjamin GIGON wrote: > > Hi everybody :-) > > I'm not sure if it's usefull, but I merged latest grsec > > (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225) and latest vserver (1.9.4) under Linux > > 2.6.10. > > Alas, 2.6.11 release has just been announced. Thanks nevertheless! > > Speaking of which, while Xen is moving towards being included in the main sorry but xen will _never_ be included into mainline ... what will hopefully happen soon is that support for the xen architecture will be included into mainline ... now what's the difference here? simple, you can't run linux on xen right now (without some major patching) so there need to be some adjustments (like there where for x86_64) to allow for unmodified (but built for the xen architecture) kernels to run on a xen platform ... now as we know, linux-vserver has no big problem with unpatched kernels, as there is no kernel which will be run inside a vserver guest (in contrary to UML which is already an architecture supported by the linux kernel) what will the inclusion of the xen arch in mainline change regarding linux-vserver? not much, well yes, it will be possible to install linux vserver kernels on xen platforms (as linux-vserver is primarily against mainline kernels and strives to support many archs) > kernel, is there any chance VServer patch ever will? well, actually I do not really consider linux-vserver so general that it should be on every linux box, be it my mobile phone or your favorite linux game engine it's very specific software and I guess it's not worth the code in mainline when it is used by, let's say 1% of the linux kernel users ... of course we are trying (and often we succeed) to get various independant features in mainline, reducing the total patch size as much as possible ... HTH, Herbert > -- > Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl > __ > ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org > 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE > http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [vserver] Add something to this menue
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 03:39:14PM +0100, Timo Müller wrote: > Hello !! > I´ve one question. How can I add (for example SUSE 9.2 or FedoraCore3) > in this menue :http://iceti.ic.funpic.de/menu.jpg hmm, probably with gimp ... ;) no seriously, where is this 'menu' from ... TIA, Herbert > Thanx > > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] New vserver config vs. legacy config
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 03:22:47PM -0500, Paul S. Gumerman wrote:
apologies for reordering ...
> Can anyone shed any light on this?
first, I have to state that I actually belong to the all
in one file camp, and if I would have written/designed
the tools they would use a single file for each vserver
that said, the decision was made by the developer of those
(new) tools, and I'd say it wasn't done lightly ...
> I know I must be missing some wonderful new capability this provides,
> because I can't see any benefit from the complexity.
out of the box I see a bunch of advantages ...
- default configuration for a whole site of vservers
(could also be solved/done via includes)
- links into the filesystem are easily handled
(e.g. vserver dir or repostory ...)
- parts of the configuration can be easily copied
- tools do not need to parse stuff which isn't of
any interest to them (e.g. network related tools
just look at the network files)
- ask enrico for more of them ... ;)
> Or possibly there's some simple way to manage the configuration data
> that I don't know about.
I hope that there will be soon, and I'd suggest the
following way to do it ...
- add some vserver config ... command, which
allows to change the various aspects of a vserver
configuration (one by one or all together at once)
- add a vserver clone ... which allows to make
a copy from a template and change various aspects
of the configuration 'on-the-fly'
> Daniel -- thanks for the script. I'll give it a try.
> OK, so now I can *see* it in one place, but I still can't manage it.
what I don't understand here is: if I would really care
that much about a single file 'editable' version for
each vserver (or better subtree), I'd written a simple
script which converts the directory tree into some kind
of property list, and back ... this way everybody could
use the config he really prefers, but obviously it's not
that important for linux-vserver folks, because otherwise
I'd received a bunch of such scripts ...
just my opinion,
Herbert
> --Paul
>
> Daniel Hokka Zakrisson wrote:
>
> >Paul S. Gumerman wrote:
> >
> >>As a new user I'm hesitant to barge in like this, but I feel strongly
> >>on this issue. I have to say that the new configuration, with it's
> >>staggering number of subdirectories, is TERRIBLE to use. I don't
> >>understand what drove the decision to go this way ... there is an
> >>enormous value in being able to see all the configuration information
> >>in ONE place, at ONE time, and a real cost to not being able to do so.
> >
> >
> >find /etc/vservers/ ! -type d | { while read FILE; do echo
> >$FILE:; test -L $FILE && readlink $FILE || cat $FILE; echo; done }
> >;-)
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Re: [Vserver] New vserver config vs. legacy config
Daniel -- thanks for the script. I'll give it a try.
OK, so now I can *see* it in one place, but I still can't manage it.
I know I must be missing some wonderful new capability this provides,
because I can't see any benefit from the complexity.
Or possibly there's some simple way to manage the configuration data
that I don't know about.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
--Paul
Daniel Hokka Zakrisson wrote:
Paul S. Gumerman wrote:
As a new user I'm hesitant to barge in like this, but I feel strongly
on this issue. I have to say that the new configuration, with it's
staggering number of subdirectories, is TERRIBLE to use. I don't
understand what drove the decision to go this way ... there is an
enormous value in being able to see all the configuration information
in ONE place, at ONE time, and a real cost to not being able to do so.
find /etc/vservers/ ! -type d | { while read FILE; do echo
$FILE:; test -L $FILE && readlink $FILE || cat $FILE; echo; done }
;-)
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Re: [Vserver] New vserver config vs. legacy config
Paul S. Gumerman wrote:
As a new user I'm hesitant to barge in like this, but I feel strongly on
this issue. I have to say that the new configuration, with it's
staggering number of subdirectories, is TERRIBLE to use. I don't
understand what drove the decision to go this way ... there is an
enormous value in being able to see all the configuration information in
ONE place, at ONE time, and a real cost to not being able to do so.
find /etc/vservers/ ! -type d | { while read FILE; do echo
$FILE:; test -L $FILE && readlink $FILE || cat $FILE; echo; done }
;-)
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Re: [Vserver] Linux (2.6.10) Patch Vserver (1.9.4) + Grsecurity (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225)
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 06:16:09PM +0100, Benjamin GIGON wrote: > Hi everybody :-) > I'm not sure if it's usefull, but I merged latest grsec > (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225) and latest vserver (1.9.4) under Linux > 2.6.10. Alas, 2.6.11 release has just been announced. Thanks nevertheless! Speaking of which, while Xen is moving towards being included in the main kernel, is there any chance VServer patch ever will? -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpbeBZ8lYCVP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] Linux (2.6.10) Patch Vserver (1.9.4) + Grsecurity (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225)
Hi everybody :-) I'm not sure if it's usefull, but I merged latest grsec (2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-20050124225) and latest vserver (1.9.4) under Linux 2.6.10. I suppose that it doesn't exist; however Doener say me that "IIRC DaPhreak" has already merged this. I haven't found this patch, so I decided to create this. Sorry if it already exist Patch is available here : - linux-2.6.10-grsecurity-2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-200501242254-Vserver-1.9.4.patch [Mar 2 2005] (1.1M) http://team.lea-linux.org/bgigon/vserver/linux-2.6.10-grsecurity-2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-200501242254-Vserver-1.9.4.patch - linux-2.6.10-grsecurity-2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-200501242254-Vserver-1.9.4.patch.gz [Mar 2 2005] (258 k) http://team.lea-linux.org/bgigon/vserver/linux-2.6.10-grsecurity-2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-200501242254-Vserver-1.9.4.patch.gz - linux-2.6.10-grsecurity-2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-200501242254-Vserver-1.9.4.patch.md5sum [Mar 2 2005 ] (219 oct.) http://team.lea-linux.org/bgigon/vserver/linux-2.6.10-grsecurity-2.1.1-2.6.10-as2-200501242254-Vserver-1.9.4.patch.md5sum See'ya :-) -- Benjamin GIGON mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sherpadown.net ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] RHEL3 - Rpm lockup when installing new vserver ?
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> pardon my ignorance, but what is cfengine?
Besides Daniel Reichenbach's reply I'll add this is what is used for the
new vserver utilities to hold configuration information instead of the
VSERVER.conf and VSERVER.sh files in /etc/vservers.
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RE: [Vserver] RHEL3 - Rpm lockup when installing new vserver ?
Hi, > I've attached my wbel3-minimum file here (copy/paste from a Windows based > pc, you might want to convert it first). It might be possible to reduce it > further - first of all I'd just like to get a server ip and running inside > the vserver environment - than I can play around with reducing the number of > needed RPM's afterwards ;-) one might be able to even reduce this list to a more minimalistic one. I have attached our package list for minimum RHEL3 systems. If you use wbel or centos, you have to changed rpmdb-redhat to rpmdb-centos or rpmdb-whitebox. For those using one of the RHEL clones, adding python, rpm-python, popt, libxml2, libxml2-python, yum should do the trick and allow adding packages via yum. In case someone has an even smaller list, I'd be glad to see it :-) Daniel S. Reichenbach -- blog - http://people.best-off.org/~dsr/ gpg - http://people.best-off.org/~dsr/gpg.asc work - http://www.best-off.org/ Minimum package set for RHEL3 systems basesystem bash beecrypt bzip2-libs chkconfig coreutils cracklib cracklib-dicts db4 dev e2fsprogs elfutils-libelf ethtool filesystem findutils gawk glib glibc glibc-common gpm grep gzip info initscripts iproute iputils kernel-smp laus laus-libs less libacl libattr libgcc libtermcap losetup lvm mingetty mkinitrd mktemp modutils mount ncurses net-tools pam pcre popt procps psmisc rpm rpmdb-redhat rpm-libs sed setup shadow-utils sysklogd SysVinit tar termcap tzdata util-linux which words zlib signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] New vserver config vs. legacy config
As a new user I'm hesitant to barge in like this, but I feel strongly
on this issue. I have to say that the new configuration, with it's
staggering number of subdirectories, is TERRIBLE to use. I don't
understand what drove the decision to go this way ... there is an
enormous value in being able to see all the configuration information
in ONE place, at ONE time, and a real cost to not being able to do so.
Herbert Poetzl wrote:
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 11:49:52AM -0800, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005, Brian Ipsen wrote:
I've attached my wbel3-minimum file here (copy/paste from a Windows based
pc, you might want to convert it first). It might be possible to reduce it
further - first of all I'd just like to get a server ip and running inside
the vserver environment - than I can play around with reducing the number of
needed RPM's afterwards ;-)
Thanks I'll check it out. I just went through a Fedora Core 3 install of
the main server and was very unhappy with all the 'stuff' included when I
didn't request it. I'm hoping to come up with a _really_ minimal set for
the main server and the vserver.
They are being read from /home/wbel3 - I've copied all RPM packages into
that dir... "rpm -k *.rpm" doesn't show any packages as damaged.
RAM/swap issue. IDE drives? And the best a friend ran into was a bad
controller/cable combination though that was connected to a IDE RAID card.
I'm using a modified install- script - which has been modified io read
the wbel3-minimum list, and grab the RPMs from the dir in the /home folder,
instead of using the CD-Rom drive
I don't know if the linuxconf gui is better to handle this stuff..
Different. Jacques is still doing some development on it and I like the
brain-dead simple interface for something I do rarely -- create new
vserver. I only use it from the command line so the gui is text based.
hmm, may I ask a question here?
is it the pseudo graphical interface (curses) of
linuxconf which makes it brain-dead simple or is
it something else?
because if that is really an important issue here,
we could consider something like make menuconfig
does for the kernel (for vserver creation)
TIA,
Herbert
I'll look at your list and see what it will take to test it on the system
I am working on right now.
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[vserver] Add something to this menue
Hello !! I´ve one question. How can I add (for example SUSE 9.2 or FedoraCore3) in this menue :http://iceti.ic.funpic.de/menu.jpg Thanx ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] RHEL3 - Rpm lockup when installing new vserver ?
For what it's worth, when doing a "yum method" install of fc3 on an x86_64 system with the new vserver code the creation of the vserver would hang after the third group of rpms was installed. A yum process was left running, but apparently blocked (top showed no additional CPU usage). I can't provide any more details at this point, since I'm too busy putting out "fires", but I will get back to the list or IRC with details when I have a chance. Paul Brian Ipsen wrote: Hi, I've modified the Fedora Core minimum-rpm to fit RHEL3 (actually it's WhiteBox Linux, which is a RHEL clone)... So far, ther are no complaints on dependencies etc... But I'm having trouble to create a new vserver - each time I try, rpm locks up after 2-14 packages - and then nothing more happens ?? One time I got: ./install-wbel3.0 dns-int minimum 147 packages to install warning: chkconfig-1.3.8-3.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 73307de6 Preparing...### [100%] 1:setup ### [ 1%] 2:libgcc ### [ 1%] 3:filesystem ### [ 2%] 4:basesystem ### [ 3%] 5:tzdata ### [ 3%] 6:glibc-common ### [ 4%] 7:glibc ### [ 4%] 8:zlib ### [ 5%] 9:chkconfig ### [ 6%] 10:mktemp ### [ 6%] 11:popt ### [ 7%] 12:shadow-utils ### [ 8%] 13:db4### [ 8%] 14:glib2 ### [ 9%] Then I tried again (after cleaning up the vserver stuff): /install-wbel3.0 dns-int minimum 147 packages to install warning: chkconfig-1.3.8-3.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 73307de6 Preparing...### [100%] 1:setup ### [ 1%] 2:libgcc ### [ 1%] And then nothing more happens The current RPM package used, is rpm-4.2.3-13.WB2 - running with kernel 2.4.29-vs1.2.10 Any idea why it keeps on locking up ?? I can only stop it by sending the rpm command a "kill -9" - Any input is appreciated... /Brian ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] RHEL3 - Rpm lockup when installing new vserver ?
> pardon my ignorance, but what is cfengine? http://www.cfengine.org/ Sort of a common framework for system configuration, designed for us administrators to configure larger networks with a defined system. http://www.cfengine.org/cfdetails.html provides some inside views. Daniel -- blog - http://people.best-off.org/~dsr/ gpg - http://people.best-off.org/~dsr/gpg.asc work - http://www.best-off.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] chrooted /proc
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 05:15:26AM -, rohit hooda wrote: > >i can do a >mount /proc /proc -t proc >but i don't wanna do this >i want to do this to virtualize the ps, uptime , top and other >commands. >tell me how this is implemented in the vserver well, linux-vserver does virtualize this by adjusting the various procfs functions supplying the data HTH, Herbert >rohit hooda >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > References > >1. http://clients.rediff.com/signature/track_sig.asp > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] RHEL3 - Rpm lockup when installing new vserver ?
On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 03:42:30PM -0800, Roderick A. Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
>
> > is it the pseudo graphical interface (curses) of
> > linuxconf which makes it brain-dead simple or is
> > it something else?
>
> That's it. The other side is the 'old' vserver utils and therefore
> newvserver used a much simpler configuration method -- in a single file.
>
> > because if that is really an important issue here,
> > we could consider something like make menuconfig
> > does for the kernel (for vserver creation)
>
> This , as anything that makes vservers easier to admin , would be nice.
> I made several attempts to migrate to the new utils ; and have used
> portions of them but did not have the time to figure out how cfengine
> _really_ worked as I needed to get some vservers online quickly that
> require *non-standard* settings. FWIW , cfengine seems to be complicated
> for complication's sake not to provide an real features or functionality.
> It is probably just me.
pardon my ignorance, but what is cfengine?
best,
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