[RE:] Re: [Vserver] Linux Vserver - Feature Question
Thank you for your fast answers. I/O Limit for virtual machines. E.g. when you do a gzip job in a virtual machine, the I/O Load and cpu Load will be quite high. To limit the cpu load is implemented i know, but the i/o load? in detail: - maximum write/read speed of a common sata disc 60/60 MB/s - all of the vservers are installed on that disc would it be possilble to limit write/read speed for single vservers to split the speed of the disc? For vservers with many copy,gzip or in special backup jobs it would be quite usefull. Regards Tom Eschler Ursprüngliche Nachricht Absender: Herbert Poetzl mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet am: 31.03.2005 08:45:40 Betreff: Re: [Vserver] Linux Vserver - Feature Question Empfänger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: vserver@list.linux-vserver.org mailto:vserver@list.linux-vserver.org On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 10:27:50PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Will there ever be an io-load limit option? what should the I/O load limit option limit? please elaborate and give some details/examples what happens and how it should be limited ... TIA, Herbert > Regards > > Tom Eschler > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Linux Vserver - Networking and Features Questions
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 10:34:07PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have some questions regarding linux-vserver: > >Q1: Is there still any ctx Patch or something similar for the current >stable branch of linux-vserver and current linux 2.4 kernels? don't know if there is/was any ctx patch ... please elaborate what you are looking for ... >I saw in several mailing lists that it is possible to hide eth0 with >that patch. linux-vserver v1.9.x does this (configurable with a cflag) >I always have eth0, the eth0 alias of my virtual machine and the lo of >the host. > >Q2: NFS3 kernel server and linux-vserver. Will it work in current >stable or in developement patches of linux-vserver? nfsv3 is working quite fine with 1.9.x, so yes ;) >Q3: Linux-vserver and linux 2.6. Is there a roadmap for getting it >stable? Are there still many bugs in it or is 2.6 nearly production >ready? there are still some issues, but I guess we can resolve them in near future .. (several companies are already using 2.6/1.9.x in production, so it probably can be considered somewhat production ready ;) HTH, Herbert >Regards > >Tom Eschler (Munich - Germany) > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Linux Vserver - Feature Question
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 10:27:50PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Will there ever be an io-load limit option? what should the I/O load limit option limit? please elaborate and give some details/examples what happens and how it should be limited ... TIA, Herbert >Regards > >Tom Eschler > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] More vserver oddness questions
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:53:53AM +0100, Gaz Wilson wrote: > > On a slightly separate note, can someone answer me the following > queries/oddities I am experiencing. > > I have /etc/vserver.conf (and /usr/local/etc/vserver.conf) - > both of these files specify the VS root dir as being /local/vservers, > yet when I user vserver build, it insists on trying to put the new > server inside /vservers. It seems to ignore the config file entirely, > why is this? well, the fact that you have two of them, one in /etc and another one in /usr/local/etc suggests that you did somehow manage to install the tools twice ... > Even when I "fool" the system by symlinking /vservers to /local/vservers, > when I create the vserver, the build process seems to install data into > /local/vservers/ but ALSO > /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/ - and it is this > second location which the build process tries to chroot - is this second > location just a copy of the "proper" location used only when setting > up the vserver? I ask because it is exactly the same size as the copy > in /local/vservers - and of course my /usr partition doesn't have > anywhere near the disk capacity of /local, so this duplication concerns > me. you should not do that, the pathes are somewhat fixed at compile time (see ./configure --help), so please configure them there properly, try to get rid of _all_ installed versions and reinstall the tools from the properly configured build ... > Again, sorry for basic questions to list, these are only "issues" I am > discovering since going to a hand-built 2.6 kernel and development > version of vservers ;-) > On that question, roughly how close are we to having a "stable" release for > 2.6 kernels suitable for production environments (which is ultimately > where I intend to run these vservers!!) well, depends how you define stable ... kernel folks call the 2.6.x.y releases stable ... the linux-vserver patches/kernel is probably at least as stable than the kernel ... HTH, Herbert > Many thanks all > > GW > > -- >/ Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ > .'(_.--. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. > < _ | Skype:dragonv480 ICQ:342070475 AIM:dragonv480 | _ > > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' >\w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Linux-Vserver Networking Question
Hi Tom, Q3: Linux-vserver and linux 2.6. Is there a roadmap for getting it stable? Are there still many bugs in it or is 2.6 nearly production ready? I have 3 Maschines up and running in production with vserver on Gentoo with 2.6.9 - no probs until now I setup a test box with 2.6.11 which runs fine in the test until now... So I think it is stable enough ;) Oliver -- Diese Nachricht wurde digital unterschrieben oliwel's public key: http://www.oliwel.de/oliwel.crt Basiszertifikat: http://www.ldv.ei.tum.de/page72 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] Linux-Vserver - Another Feature Question
Q1: Will there ever be an io-load limit option for linux-vserver virtual Machines? Q2: Is there a webinterface in development for linux-vserver? Regards Tom Eschler ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] Linux Vserver - Networking and Features Questions
I have some questions regarding linux-vserver: Q1: Is there still any ctx Patch or something similar for the current stable branch of linux-vserver and current linux 2.4 kernels? I saw in several mailing lists that it is possible to hide eth0 with that patch. I always have eth0, the eth0 alias of my virtual machine and the lo of the host. Q2: NFS3 kernel server and linux-vserver. Will it work in current stable or in developement patches of linux-vserver? Q3: Linux-vserver and linux 2.6. Is there a roadmap for getting it stable? Are there still many bugs in it or is 2.6 nearly production ready? Regards Tom Eschler (Munich - Germany) ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] Linux Vserver - Feature Question
Will there ever be an io-load limit option? Regards Tom Eschler ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] Linux-Vserver Networking Question
I have some questions regarding linux-vserver: Q1: Is there still any ctx Patch or something similar for the current stable branch of linux-vserver and current linux 2.4 kernels? I saw in several mailing lists that it is possible to hide eth0 with that patch. I always have eth0, the eth0 alias of my virtual machine and the lo of the host. Q2: NFS3 kernel server and linux-vserver. Will it work in current stable or in developement patches of linux-vserver? Q3: Linux-vserver and linux 2.6. Is there a roadmap for getting it stable? Are there still many bugs in it or is 2.6 nearly production ready? Regards Tom Eschler (Munich - Germany) ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] util-vserver 1.9.5 configuration questions
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 14:15, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > where I can read about it? > > http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-06 (06.3) http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-14 This example assumes that two servers have been allocated equal CPU time (FIXME - how is this configured?) how is this configured? > option is now called tagxid ... > > http://vds.pas-mal.com/irclogs/vserver-log.20050303.html > > | hmm, guess I have to do a howto use for the vdlimit too ... > | was hoping that it will be implemented properly in the > | util-vserver before that happens ... > > didn't happen yet :/ Ok, I read vdlimit now, thanks. Mount with -o tagxid also works. -- Peter V. Saveliev ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] More vserver oddness questions
On a slightly separate note, can someone answer me the following queries/oddities I am experiencing. I have /etc/vserver.conf (and /usr/local/etc/vserver.conf) - both of these files specify the VS root dir as being /local/vservers, yet when I user vserver build, it insists on trying to put the new server inside /vservers. It seems to ignore the config file entirely, why is this? Even when I "fool" the system by symlinking /vservers to /local/vservers, when I create the vserver, the build process seems to install data into /local/vservers/ but ALSO /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/ - and it is this second location which the build process tries to chroot - is this second location just a copy of the "proper" location used only when setting up the vserver? I ask because it is exactly the same size as the copy in /local/vservers - and of course my /usr partition doesn't have anywhere near the disk capacity of /local, so this duplication concerns me. Again, sorry for basic questions to list, these are only "issues" I am discovering since going to a hand-built 2.6 kernel and development version of vservers ;-) On that question, roughly how close are we to having a "stable" release for 2.6 kernels suitable for production environments (which is ultimately where I intend to run these vservers!!) Many thanks all GW -- / Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ .'(_.--. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. < _ | Skype:dragonv480 ICQ:342070475 AIM:dragonv480 | _ > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' \w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Possible newbie type question
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:37:13AM +0100, Gaz Wilson wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > > > > the newvserver script has been obsoleted almost a year > > > ago, and you can find some examples for the util-vserver > > > tools, and a complete description of the configuration > > > tree at: > > > > Doh, of course it has :) Thanks for giving me a bash with the clue > > stick. I am however experiencing issues with my setup (Debian Sarge, > > VS 1.9.5, grsec 2.1.3, util-vserver-0.30.203) in that it doesn't seem > > to install quite right (errors), and it point blank refuses to start the > > vserver afterwards. Can anyone advise me as to what might be the issue, > > well, most likely the issue is still the 'debian' part there ... > > (although debian is making great progress) > > I would suggest to compile util-vserver-0.30.205 by hand and > make sure it uses dietlibc, then try again, if the issues > remain, we'll have a closer look at it ... Hi Herbert! Although I am using Debian, I am running the utils that I compiled from source myself, which were indeed compiled against dietlibc With regards to GRsec - I enabled sysctl mode, which means GRSec is disabled from boot by default, so I am now less sure that GRSec is at fault here, but if you, or anyone else knows otherwise, it'd be great to hear :) Thanks! GW -- / Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ .'(_.--. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. < _ | Skype:dragonv480 ICQ:342070475 AIM:dragonv480 | _ > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' \w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Possible newbie type question
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:37:13AM +0100, Gaz Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > > the newvserver script has been obsoleted almost a year > > ago, and you can find some examples for the util-vserver > > tools, and a complete description of the configuration > > tree at: > > Doh, of course it has :) Thanks for giving me a bash with the clue > stick. I am however experiencing issues with my setup (Debian Sarge, > VS 1.9.5, grsec 2.1.3, util-vserver-0.30.203) in that it doesn't seem > to install quite right (errors), and it point blank refuses to start the > vserver afterwards. Can anyone advise me as to what might be the issue, well, most likely the issue is still the 'debian' part there ... (although debian is making great progress) I would suggest to compile util-vserver-0.30.205 by hand and make sure it uses dietlibc, then try again, if the issues remain, we'll have a closer look at it ... TIA, Herbert > after reading this transcript: > > test01:~# vserver gaztesttoday build -m debootstrap -- -d sarge > I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release > I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release > I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages > I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages > I: Checking adduser... > I: Checking apt... > I: Checking apt-utils... > I: Checking aptitude... > . > . > . > I: Extracting libstdc++5... > I: Installing core packages... > Selecting previously deselected package base-files. > (Reading database ... 0 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking base-files (from .../base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb) ... > Selecting previously deselected package base-passwd. > Unpacking base-passwd (from .../base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: base-passwd: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request: > base-passwd depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4); however: > Package libc6 is not installed. > Setting up base-passwd (3.5.9) ... > > dpkg: base-files: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request: > base-files depends on awk; however: > Package awk is not installed. > Setting up base-files (3.1.2) ... > chmod: changing permissions of `/var/mail': Permission denied > dpkg: error processing base-files (--install): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > base-files > W: Failure trying to run: chroot > /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday dpkg --force-depends > --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb > umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/dev/pts: not > found > umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/dev/shm: not > found > umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/proc/bus/usb: > not mounted > > Thanks again for your time :) > > > > -- >/ Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ > .'(_.--. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. > < _ | Skype:dragonv480 ICQ:342070475 AIM:dragonv480 | _ > > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' >\w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] util-vserver 1.9.5 configuration questions
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 12:37:26AM +0400, Peter V. Saveliev wrote: > On Monday 28 March 2005 20:45, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > > yes, that's right, but that doesn't mean that you just can > > have one address per interface, just more structured entries > > ok > > > > that is what the token bucket scheduler is for ... > > where I can read about it? http://linux-vserver.org/Linux-VServer-Paper-06 (06.3) > > > yep per context disk limits on a shared partition are > > part of the 1.9.x releases, you just have to use xid > > tagged filesystems ... > > the same question? I found only > http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Linux2.6/index.php?page=Per+Context+Disk+Limits > > but attempts to mount ext2 with -o tagctx fail option is now called tagxid ... http://vds.pas-mal.com/irclogs/vserver-log.20050303.html | hmm, guess I have to do a howto use for the vdlimit too ... | was hoping that it will be implemented properly in the | util-vserver before that happens ... didn't happen yet :/ > > > just make sure to feed-back the changes, otherwise > > other folks will end up reinventing your bicycle ;) > > > I'll share packages after work is done, but I don't think that will be common > case. I have no bash and I have only 12Mb (24 in the memory) system. So, as I > think, I won't be able to use util-vserver as it is. Now I try to understand > how it works, to make more simple analogue for more simple cases -- no build, > no unify, no snapshots (for this time) -- I only wanna start, stop, enter and > monitor vservers. More about the project is on http://rad.peet.spb.ru/ great! HTH, Herbert > -- > Peter V. Saveliev > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Possible newbie type question
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Gaz Wilson wrote: > I am however experiencing issues with my setup (Debian Sarge, > VS 1.9.5, grsec 2.1.3, util-vserver-0.30.203) in that it doesn't seem > to install quite right (errors), and it point blank refuses to start the afterwards. Can anyone advise me as to what might be the issue, > after reading this transcript: > > test01:~# vserver gaztesttoday build -m debootstrap -- -d sarge > I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release > I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release > I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages > I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages > I: Checking adduser... > I: Checking apt... > I: Checking apt-utils... > I: Checking aptitude... > . > . > . > I: Extracting libstdc++5... > I: Installing core packages... > Selecting previously deselected package base-files. > (Reading database ... 0 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking base-files (from .../base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb) ... > Selecting previously deselected package base-passwd. > Unpacking base-passwd (from .../base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: base-passwd: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request: > base-passwd depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4); however: > Package libc6 is not installed. > Setting up base-passwd (3.5.9) ... > > dpkg: base-files: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request: > base-files depends on awk; however: > Package awk is not installed. > Setting up base-files (3.1.2) ... > chmod: changing permissions of `/var/mail': Permission denied > dpkg: error processing base-files (--install): > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 > Errors were encountered while processing: > base-files > W: Failure trying to run: chroot > /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday dpkg --force-depends > --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb > umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/dev/pts: not > found > umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/dev/shm: not > found > umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/proc/bus/usb: > not mounted > BTW: this is kernel 2.6.11. Further investigation shows that the main problem seems to be that libc6 isn't installed in the vserver. If I manually chroot into the vserver, I can see the package is available to install via dpkg, but when I try to install manually, I get errors trying to change permissions on /usr/lib/pt_chown In fact looking back at the vserver install process, it also had problems when changing permissions on /var/mail too. Is this likely something to do with GRSec? I haven't done anything with GRSec yet apart from enable a load of the options in the kernel. I haven't read up on the rest of GRsec yet, as that's my next task after setting up a couple of test vservers! Anyone recognise what's going on here? Many thanks GW -- / Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ .'(_.--. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. < _ | Skype:dragonv480 ICQ:342070475 AIM:dragonv480 | _ > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' \w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Possible newbie type question
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > the newvserver script has been obsoleted almost a year > ago, and you can find some examples for the util-vserver > tools, and a complete description of the configuration > tree at: Doh, of course it has :) Thanks for giving me a bash with the clue stick. I am however experiencing issues with my setup (Debian Sarge, VS 1.9.5, grsec 2.1.3, util-vserver-0.30.203) in that it doesn't seem to install quite right (errors), and it point blank refuses to start the vserver afterwards. Can anyone advise me as to what might be the issue, after reading this transcript: test01:~# vserver gaztesttoday build -m debootstrap -- -d sarge I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages I: Validating debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages I: Checking adduser... I: Checking apt... I: Checking apt-utils... I: Checking aptitude... . . . I: Extracting libstdc++5... I: Installing core packages... Selecting previously deselected package base-files. (Reading database ... 0 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking base-files (from .../base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package base-passwd. Unpacking base-passwd (from .../base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb) ... dpkg: base-passwd: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request: base-passwd depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4); however: Package libc6 is not installed. Setting up base-passwd (3.5.9) ... dpkg: base-files: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you request: base-files depends on awk; however: Package awk is not installed. Setting up base-files (3.1.2) ... chmod: changing permissions of `/var/mail': Permission denied dpkg: error processing base-files (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: base-files W: Failure trying to run: chroot /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.2_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.9_i386.deb umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/dev/pts: not found umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/dev/shm: not found umount: /usr/local/etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/gaztesttoday/proc/bus/usb: not mounted Thanks again for your time :) -- / Gary Wilson, aka dragon/dragonlord/dragonv480\ .'(_.--. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: dragonv480 .--._)`. < _ | Skype:dragonv480 ICQ:342070475 AIM:dragonv480 | _ > `.( `--' w: http://volvo480.northernscum.org.uk `--' ).' \w: http://www.northernscum.org.uk / ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
