[Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
Joel, I got past my self created problems last night and have had a good night's sleep. I think my planned package is complete, I wanted to review it with someone, I will try to be brief... This is a single file, perhaps sized to fit on a cdrom. Any Linux system, any hardware, that recognizes the filesystem used (currently Reiser-3) may turn the file into a device with losetup, and then just mount it somewhere in the directory tree. What they will find under mount_point is: mount_point/baby/src All of the virgin source tarballs used. mount_point/baby/doc The step-by-step guide and ... mount_point/refbox The reference vserver based on Bash and BusyBox. This is the single point location of software to share with other vservers. mount_point/vsbox01 An example of a vserver system built by linking to the refbox softwares. Any Linux system that runs the kernel and processor that the software was built for can run the vservers out of the box. Currently that means Linux-2.6.14 with Vs-2.0.1 on an i686 compatable machine. The reference vserver has a non-standard layout. The view from the inside refbox: The base install is a static Bash, the dynamic loader, the three common dynamic libraries and the dynamically linked BusyBox that shows up in: /sbin, /bin, /lib, /etc This is a full Bash, including UDP and TCP i/o and the combination provides over 200 of the common terminal commands. This base install is 5.08 Mb. But I may have forgotten to strip the binaries. No 'init' program, you can do that with a Bash script. The BusyBox has a linuxrc and an init but I haven't tried them. Additional software that can turn the base-install into a minimum-install system is present under the /opt/vender_name/* trees. These can be linked to if a more normal minimum Linux system is desired. Everything that makes this system self maintainable should be present. Currently: /opt/gnu/bash (1.59 Mb) The full, dynamically linked Bash /opt/gnu/coreutils (8.23 Mb) The full, dynamically linked CoreUtils - all of them a version that understands extended file attributes and file access control lists. /opt/sgi (1.98 Mb) The full, dynamically linked ATTR and ACL toolset. /opt/schily (1.05 Mb) The full, dynamically linked star program and friends. This is an alternative to gnu-tar that correctly handles extended file attributes and file control lists. /opt/tecgraf ( tiny ) The Lua programming language. Both the interactive and the command line versions. Also directions on how-to add this to the host's bin-formats included. Lua is ideal for writing human readable, machine executable, configuration files and scripts. I think that is all. Still scratching my head over including external readline and gettext packages. The question is because I can build Lua for none, use the Bash libraries, or use the external packages. The view from inside vsbox01 will have a more typical layout of the first and second level directory trees. This will only be an example - the user will be encouraged to pick and choose what to link to inside of refbox. The total is less than 20Mb - lots of room to play with other setups. You can make a star-ball of whatever you build inside the loop-file when ready to put it on the real filesystem somewhere. Should be both educational for people who build their own and useful as is to run common services. The BusyBox has ftp, rpm and apt tools, should be able for a vserver to install whatever it needs from the network. What common tool set have I overlooked? Do you see anything that really must be included? For anything with more features, a person should start with a Linux base system from a distributor. Mike ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
Hello Mike, Michael S. Zick wrote: Joel, I got past my self created problems last night and have had a good night's sleep. I think my planned package is complete, I wanted to review it with someone, I will try to be brief... This is a single file, perhaps sized to fit on a cdrom. Any Linux system, any hardware, that recognizes the filesystem used (currently Reiser-3) may turn the file into a device with losetup, and then just mount it somewhere in the directory tree. What they will find under mount_point is: mount_point/baby/src All of the virgin source tarballs used. mount_point/baby/doc The step-by-step guide and ... mount_point/refbox The reference vserver based on Bash and BusyBox. This is the single point location of software to share with other vservers. mount_point/vsbox01 An example of a vserver system built by linking to the refbox softwares. Any Linux system that runs the kernel and processor that the software was built for can run the vservers out of the box. Currently that means Linux-2.6.14 with Vs-2.0.1 on an i686 compatable machine. The reference vserver has a non-standard layout. The view from the inside refbox: The base install is a static Bash, the dynamic loader, the three common dynamic libraries and the dynamically linked BusyBox that shows up in: /sbin, /bin, /lib, /etc This is a full Bash, including UDP and TCP i/o and the combination provides over 200 of the common terminal commands. This base install is 5.08 Mb. But I may have forgotten to strip the binaries. No 'init' program, you can do that with a Bash script. The BusyBox has a linuxrc and an init but I haven't tried them. Additional software that can turn the base-install into a minimum-install system is present under the /opt/vender_name/* trees. These can be linked to if a more normal minimum Linux system is desired. Everything that makes this system self maintainable should be present. Currently: /opt/gnu/bash (1.59 Mb) The full, dynamically linked Bash /opt/gnu/coreutils (8.23 Mb) The full, dynamically linked CoreUtils - all of them a version that understands extended file attributes and file access control lists. /opt/sgi (1.98 Mb) The full, dynamically linked ATTR and ACL toolset. /opt/schily (1.05 Mb) The full, dynamically linked star program and friends. This is an alternative to gnu-tar that correctly handles extended file attributes and file control lists. /opt/tecgraf ( tiny ) The Lua programming language. Both the interactive and the command line versions. Also directions on how-to add this to the host's bin-formats included. Lua is ideal for writing human readable, machine executable, configuration files and scripts. I think that is all. Still scratching my head over including external readline and gettext packages. The question is because I can build Lua for none, use the Bash libraries, or use the external packages. The view from inside vsbox01 will have a more typical layout of the first and second level directory trees. This will only be an example - the user will be encouraged to pick and choose what to link to inside of refbox. The total is less than 20Mb - lots of room to play with other setups. You can make a star-ball of whatever you build inside the loop-file when ready to put it on the real filesystem somewhere. Should be both educational for people who build their own and useful as is to run common services. The BusyBox has ftp, rpm and apt tools, should be able for a vserver to install whatever it needs from the network. looks to me fine ;-) What common tool set have I overlooked? Do you see anything that really must be included? just one thought (just because it seems to be a std de facto), may some sshd to be able login the vps, tough? For anything with more features, a person should start with a Linux base system from a distributor. Mike Thanks a lot, Joel PS: I am finishing my recipe to re-use a chrooted disk on hppa box and will try asap to build 'baby' and vbox on my parisc-linux box too. ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
On Mon December 26 2005 08:43, Michael S. Zick wrote: Joel, A sudden thought while reading my own post. The view from inside vsbox01 will have a more typical layout of the first and second level directory trees. I will give it a job. Configure the bb httpd server to serve the html versions of all the software documentation - just skip dealing with any man-reader or info-reader. I think all of the software packages will output their documentation in html. I just have to dig out the build instructions. I had better build an index of all the software commands are 'built-in' - there are hundreds even in the base-install. Mike ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
On Mon December 26 2005 09:15, Joel Soete wrote: Hello Mike, Michael S. Zick wrote: Joel, I think my planned package is complete, I wanted to review it with someone, I will try to be brief... - - - [ really big snip ] - - - What common tool set have I overlooked? Do you see anything that really must be included? just one thought (just because it seems to be a std de facto), may some sshd to be able login the vps, tough? Thanks, I missed that one. People will expect it to be available. BusyBox does have a telnetd. I just checked, BusyBox has a vi for text editing. Should there be some other editor? I think that emacs would be too big. PS: I am finishing my recipe to re-use a chrooted disk on hppa box and will try asap to build 'baby' and vbox on my parisc-linux box too. I will post a pre-view of baby02.bin later today - It will not all be working - It will have all of the source tarballs and rough, guru level, instructions (except Lua and sshd) to build a non-x86 version. Thanks for your advice. Mike ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Error when creating centos min vserver
I've been able to create a Debian vserver within CentOS 4.2 with no problems (http://linux-vserver.org/Step-by-Step+Guide+2.6). That guide is very good and I was impressed to see debootstrap working within a Yum-based distro and install packages within a vserver. I've tried a few methods to create a minimum CentOS guest and have had nothing but problems. With reference to the patch listed in the url below is it just a question of patch -p1 options /path/to/util-vserver/scripts/vyum-worker/ ? Also I notice that there are patches listed here; http://linux-vserver.org/FC4+patched+rpm%27s. How does one use them? On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:24:24 +0100 Enrico Scholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter McGregor) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum --version 2.4.0 Try to apply http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/util-vserver/util-vserver/scripts/vyum-worker.diff?r1=1.5r2=1.6 (not in 0.209). yum-2.4 problems were easier to solve than I thought... ;) Enrico ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver -- John Maclean MSc (DIC) 07739 171 531 ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
On Monday 26 December 2005 10:38 am, Michael S. Zick wrote: On Mon December 26 2005 09:15, Joel Soete wrote: Hello Mike, Michael S. Zick wrote: Joel, I think my planned package is complete, I wanted to review it with someone, I will try to be brief... - - - [ really big snip ] - - - What common tool set have I overlooked? Do you see anything that really must be included? just one thought (just because it seems to be a std de facto), may some sshd to be able login the vps, tough? Thanks, I missed that one. People will expect it to be available. BusyBox does have a telnetd. I just checked, BusyBox has a vi for text editing. Should there be some other editor? I think that emacs would be too big. yes please... pico or nano either one.. both are small and to me more useful than any of the others. i use them exclusively. this looks like it could make an extremely nice rescue disk. PS: I am finishing my recipe to re-use a chrooted disk on hppa box and will try asap to build 'baby' and vbox on my parisc-linux box too. I will post a pre-view of baby02.bin later today - It will not all be working - It will have all of the source tarballs and rough, guru level, instructions (except Lua and sshd) to build a non-x86 version. Thanks for your advice. Mike ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver -- Chuck ...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger, and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
On Mon December 26 2005 11:44, Chuck wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 10:38 am, Michael S. Zick wrote: I just checked, BusyBox has a vi for text editing. Should there be some other editor? I think that emacs would be too big. yes please... pico or nano either one.. both are small and to me more useful than any of the others. i use them exclusively. this looks like it could make an extremely nice rescue disk. It might get too big for anything smaller than a 100Mb zip disk. Hmmm... My smallest USB drive is 256Mb - That is a thought. It should always fit on a bootable cd though, even after adding a kernel, util-vserver and whatever else a rescue cd needs. Good idea, When I need to make a quick file change, I usually reach for nano myself. I am posting a pre-view of baby-02 for Joel to look at, complete with all sources and most of the binaries built - but it is getting large - I may have to move it to sourceforge.net before I am done. If you or anyone else on the list wants to start looking at it with an eye at non-x86 versions - let me know, I will send you a link. Mike ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] Gentoo VServer Usage Survey
Hi all, just wanted to let all Gentoo users know (at least those who don't read Planet Gentoo) that i created a usage survey for gentoo users. Would be very kind if you could spend some minutes on the survey [1]. Regards, Benedikt [1] http://dev.croup.de/survey/survey.php?uid=243afa1992cbee ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
On Mon December 26 2005 08:43, Michael S. Zick wrote: - - - Really Big Snip - - - Today's update to the build guide is posted. Corrections and addition of extending the base system into a minimal system. On line at: http://www.morethan.org/step_step.html Download at: http://www.spamviz.net/download/step_step.ps.gz A tarball of all sources used is at (14Mb): http://www.spamviz.com/download/baby02_src.tar.bz2 The loop file with the base system installed remains the same and is available at (5Mb): http://www.spamviz.net/download/baby01.bin.gz As usual, feedback is welcomed. Mike ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] Patched yum RPM for Fedora Core 3
Hello all, When using linux-vserver in combination with yum a patch must be applied to allow yum to work correctly in chroot environments. I have created an rpm with this patch (with some help from Bertl) for Fedora Core 3 that can be readily used. It is available from http://www.marinusnet.nl/~share/yum-2.2.1-1-chroot-patch.noarch.rpm. Cheers, Marinus ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] Patched yum RPM for Fedora Core 3
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 01:11:26AM +0100, Marinus Israel - Cillix Webhosting wrote: Hello all, When using linux-vserver in combination with yum a patch must be applied to allow yum to work correctly in chroot environments. I have created an rpm with this patch (with some help from Bertl) for Fedora Core 3 that can be readily used. It is available from http://www.marinusnet.nl/~share/yum-2.2.1-1-chroot-patch.noarch.rpm. hmm, first this one gives not found, and second sone folks might appreciate the 'open source' version (i.e. the src.rpm) if they want to recompile it themselves ... TIA, Herbert Cheers, Marinus ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 09:38:54AM -0600, Michael S. Zick wrote: I just checked, BusyBox has a vi for text editing. Should there be some other editor? I think that emacs would be too big. e3 is an excellent but tiny text editor. It definitely beats nano or pico. Have fun, Avery ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] The nano-vserver package.
On Mon December 26 2005 12:58, Avery Pennarun wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 09:38:54AM -0600, Michael S. Zick wrote: I just checked, BusyBox has a vi for text editing. Should there be some other editor? I think that emacs would be too big. e3 is an excellent but tiny text editor. It definitely beats nano or pico. Thanks for the tip = = but it does not build for big endian pa-risc. Looks like it will be nano, which will build for any machine that major Linux distributions support. Mike ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
