[Vserver] Tomcat on Vserver

[Khan]

Hello,

I'm having some problems installing tomcat5 on vserver guest. I think it
can't listen on guest's IP addresses. How Can I force tomcat to listen
only on guest IP.

TNX

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[Vserver] Tomcat on Vserver

[Khan]

Hello,

I'm having some problems installing tomcat5 on vserver guest. I think it 
can't listen on guest's IP addresses. How Can I force tomcat to listen 
only on guest IP.


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Re: [Vserver] possible for host and guest to share rpm database?

[Dimitris Zilaskos]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Guenther Fuchs wrote:


Hi there,

on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 8:35:37 PM there was posted:


DZ> Unfortunately I would like to avoid that:/ . I just want
DZ> them to be able to query the rpm database. I would like to stick
DZ> with package management from the host since it is a life saver.

In that case: Wouldn't then a simple cron-script on the host producing
an actual list into a plain textfile inside the guest solve your
problem? Maybe a simple hourly base could do that?



	That would not help it. The requirement is that rpm commands 
should work from within the guest OS. In this particular case the list of 
the rpms installed in the vserver must be returned by executing the 
appropriate rpm commands.


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Re: [Vserver] Making two vservers see the same data/directory structore.

[Herbert Poetzl]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:31:54AM -0600, Michael S. Zick wrote:
> On Tue January 10 2006 10:04, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> > 
> > yes, you will very likely run into permission issues with
> > xid tagging enabled on the 'shared' directory, because new
> > files will be tagged by one guest and denied to the other
> > (an untagged partition would help here)
> > 
> Herbert,
> 
> A short note on this...
> 
> Near the top of my to-do list for 2006 is
> to see if I can make the ACL system 'xid aware'.
> 
> Similar to user and group permission lists, there
> would be an xid permission list (and a per directory
> xid default).
> 
> Both the Linux code implementation and the 'standard'
> for ACL allows extensions.
> 
> If practical, this would solve this sort of installation
> problem.  The mapping of the same (Sub-)tree into multiple
> servers while still being selective about permissions on
> a per server basis.

sounds interesting, let me know when you have
the first patches or questions - whatever comes
first :)

best,
Herbert

> 
> Don't hold your breath - I work slow.
> 
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Re: [Vserver] VServer logo? [scanned]

[Herbert Poetzl]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:31:05PM +0100, Guenther Fuchs wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 8:04:50 PM there was posted:
> 
> VW> This seems to become a logo contest... ;)
> 
> Looks like ;-)
> 
> VW> I suggest to start a regular logo competition with a fixed
> VW> submission date for all drafts, ...
> 
> Good idea, and I guess this would bring it up to the best results.
> 
> If Herbert agrees, I (as the "initiator" of this thread, but maybe

go ahead, as long as the logo thing does not add
to my todo list, I'm totally on your side :)

> someone else too?) would also call out a small price in form of Amazon
> (or whatever) credit for the winning three and also a "top 10 logos
> voted by the community hall of fame" page to honor the best 10 logos,
> which also takes them for free download and usage under GPL (or
> whatever appropriate license, IANAL).
> 
> VW> a defined submission process (by email/HTTP upload/etc.)
> 
> For that I would offer a email to maybe myself and put them online on
> the "muh" server, adding a vote script from date of "last entry date"
> up to one week, so there's a clear schedule as well for that.
> 
> VW> rules for a ballot committee (certain persons? an open community
> VW> voting? opoll on the ml?) 
> VW> and the aspects to assess, etc..
> 
> I'd suggest a first "community vote" and later a top-10 "committee"
> choosing the top three out of the 10.
> 
> VW> I would recommend a 4-stage process:
> VW>
> VW> 1. Open community poll, every person may elect its 3 favorites and
> VW> gives reasons, why he/she chose those 3 drafts.
> 
> Yes and no to that - I'd rather think a closed poll/voting with
> showing results only upon end of votes will make it easiest to enable
> anonymous votes without easy ceating upon "my logo is not on top"
> results ;-)
> 
> VW> 2. The top 10 logos are published and get in extensive review and
> VW> public opinion, especially also for legal reasons such as
> VW> trademark right or evident similarities with other logos or
> VW> artwork. This should be done by the whole community.
> 
> Okay.
> 
> VW> 3. A chosen committee assesses the top 10 logos in respect to defined,
> VW> weighted common criteria (personal view on layout, symbolism, recall
> VW> value, uniqueness, known possible legal problems, etc.) in consideration
> VW> of the results from stage 2.
> 
> VW> 4. The results of stage 3 are evaluated, if the choice is not clear cut,
> VW> a second open discussion on the top candidates may be initiated and
> VW> results be evaluated by the committee again.
> 
> Not too complicated? I'd rather let "just" the top-3 choice up to the
> "jury" - and would guess a little more who to place into it ;-)
> 
> VW> [5. We have a logo.]
> 
> VW> So the question would only be how to choose the committee and how many
> VW> members it should have. Persons could either be proposed and elected by
> VW> the community or the maintainers pick up persons or you take the hall of
> VW> fame people or whatever you can imagine... ;)
> 
> I would prefer "propsal and election" - and for me it has to be clear,
> that neither of the arts is to be in the jury.

everything in this direction has my full support,
as long as I do not have to spend time on it ...
I'm more than willing to comment on the proposals
but the decision should be done by the community

best,
Herbert

> -- 
> regards 'n greez,
> 
> Guenther Fuchs
> (aka "muh" and "powerfox")
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Re: [Vserver] iptables inside vserver client?

[Michael S. Zick]

On Tue January 10 2006 15:15, Stephan Mueller wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> on the hosting page in the wiki the provider [vRoutix], Argentina
> anounces iptables support inside a vserver client while i read on the
> beginners faq page that the forward chain is not touched by packets
> between the clients.
> 
> Which one is true? :) Do they use some sort of tap or tun devices?
>
Probably both are true.

Reading step three of the virtual tour does not say that the ip rules
are 'within' your virtual server.  Only that the rules that apply to
your virtual server can be controlled by a web interface (on the host
system) most likely.

That would be fairly straight forward thing to do, just write 
rule chain(s) for a particular IP address.  Constrain the web update
to do dynamic rules on the rule chain for a particular customer.

For instance, start with the dynamic rule handling of PSAD, be creative 
with the chain naming, add a web interface, etc.

Mike
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Re: [Vserver] possible for host and guest to share rpm database?

[Herbert Poetzl]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:35:37PM +0200, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:45:12AM +0200, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote:
> >>
> >>Hello ,
> >>
> >>I am using linux vserver with gentoo as host os and scientific linux
> >>guest os(RHEL compatible). I am managing the rpm packages from the
> >>host os with vapt-get and vyum. However there is a requirement on
> >>certain vservers that their users have to be able to execute rpm -qa
> >>and get a list of the installed rpms .Naturally right now the list is
> >>empty.
> >
> >because the rpm database is kept external
> >
> >>I would like to avoid having to maintain both an internal and
> >>external rpm database.
> >
> >change to an internal rpm database ...
> >
> >from the 'vserver --help':
> >
> >   pkgmgmt externalize|internalize [-y]
> > ... externalize or internalize the package-management for the
> > given vserver. 'Externalize' means that package metadata
> > and management tools (apt-get,rpm) are living in the host,
> > while 'internalize' means that data and programs from the
> > vserver will be used.
> >
> >>Is it possible somehow for the vrpm from the host os and rpm from
> >>within the vserver to return the same list?
> >
> >.. and maintain the guest (on the host) with
> >the internal database ...
> 
> 
> Unfortunately I would like to avoid that :/ . I just want them to be
> able to query the rpm database. I would like to stick with package
> management from the host since it is a life saver.

hmm, well, I guess the only way to do that in a save manner
is to provide the information via some interface, e.g. 
maybe use a web page for the queries or, if you think that
a read-only access is secure, mount the database into the
guest (but read-only)

HTH,
Herbert

>   Cheers ,
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Dimitris Zilaskos
> 
> Department of Physics @ Aristotle University of Thessaloniki , Greece
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Re: [Vserver] VServer logo?

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> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:56:58PM +0100, Guenther Fuchs wrote:
> 
>>Hi there,
>>
>>anyone graphically talented created a logo for VServer yet or wants
>>to? I guess, there's not only me wanting to show a "powered by Linux-
>>VServer" on their page ;-)
> 
> 
>   I Agree... 
>   Here's my attempt:
>   
>   See README file for explanations...
>   Inkscape svg file is available, of course.

My only comments on this logo is that the repeated checkmarks look too
much like the Nike logo, especially the red one, which they used
specifically. I have no doubts that a megacorporation like Nike would
find offense with this logo as it is now and would write threatening
letters.

micah
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[Vserver] iptables inside vserver client?

[Stephan Mueller]

Hi,

on the hosting page in the wiki the provider [vRoutix], Argentina
anounces iptables support inside a vserver client while i read on the
beginners faq page that the forward chain is not touched by packets
between the clients.

Which one is true? :) Do they use some sort of tap or tun devices?


Cheers and thanks,

Steph.
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Re: [Vserver] possible for host and guest to share rpm database?

[Guenther Fuchs]

Hi there,

on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 8:35:37 PM there was posted:


DZ> Unfortunately I would like to avoid that:/ . I just want
DZ> them to be able to query the rpm database. I would like to stick
DZ> with package management from the host since it is a life saver.

In that case: Wouldn't then a simple cron-script on the host producing
an actual list into a plain textfile inside the guest solve your
problem? Maybe a simple hourly base could do that?

-- 
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(aka "muh" and "powerfox")

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Re: [Vserver] VServer logo? [scanned]

[Guenther Fuchs]

Hi there,

on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 8:04:50 PM there was posted:

VW> This seems to become a logo contest... ;)

Looks like ;-)

VW> I suggest to start a regular logo competition with a fixed
VW> submission date for all drafts, ...

Good idea, and I guess this would bring it up to the best results.

If Herbert agrees, I (as the "initiator" of this thread, but maybe
someone else too?) would also call out a small price in form of Amazon
(or whatever) credit for the winning three and also a "top 10 logos
voted by the community hall of fame" page to honor the best 10 logos,
which also takes them for free download and usage under GPL (or
whatever appropriate license, IANAL).

VW> a defined submission process (by email/HTTP upload/etc.)

For that I would offer a email to maybe myself and put them online on
the "muh" server, adding a vote script from date of "last entry date"
up to one week, so there's a clear schedule as well for that.

VW> rules for a ballot committee (certain persons? an open community
VW> voting? opoll on the ml?) 
VW> and the aspects to assess, etc..

I'd suggest a first "community vote" and later a top-10 "committee"
choosing the top three out of the 10.

VW> I would recommend a 4-stage process:
VW>
VW> 1. Open community poll, every person may elect its 3 favorites and
VW> gives reasons, why he/she chose those 3 drafts.

Yes and no to that - I'd rather think a closed poll/voting with
showing results only upon end of votes will make it easiest to enable
anonymous votes without easy ceating upon "my logo is not on top"
results ;-)

VW> 2. The top 10 logos are published and get in extensive review and
VW> public opinion, especially also for legal reasons such as
VW> trademark right or evident similarities with other logos or
VW> artwork. This should be done by the whole community.

Okay.

VW> 3. A chosen committee assesses the top 10 logos in respect to defined,
VW> weighted common criteria (personal view on layout, symbolism, recall
VW> value, uniqueness, known possible legal problems, etc.) in consideration
VW> of the results from stage 2.

VW> 4. The results of stage 3 are evaluated, if the choice is not clear cut,
VW> a second open discussion on the top candidates may be initiated and
VW> results be evaluated by the committee again.

Not too complicated? I'd rather let "just" the top-3 choice up to the
"jury" - and would guess a little more who to place into it ;-)

VW> [5. We have a logo.]

VW> So the question would only be how to choose the committee and how many
VW> members it should have. Persons could either be proposed and elected by
VW> the community or the maintainers pick up persons or you take the hall of
VW> fame people or whatever you can imagine... ;)

I would prefer "propsal and election" - and for me it has to be clear,
that neither of the arts is to be in the jury.

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Re: [Vserver] possible for host and guest to share rpm database?

[Dimitris Zilaskos]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Herbert Poetzl wrote:


On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:45:12AM +0200, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote:


Hello ,

I am using linux vserver with gentoo as host os and scientific linux
guest os(RHEL compatible). I am managing the rpm packages from the
host os with vapt-get and vyum. However there is a requirement on
certain vservers that their users have to be able to execute rpm -qa
and get a list of the installed rpms .Naturally right now the list is
empty.


because the rpm database is kept external


I would like to avoid having to maintain both an internal and
external rpm database.


change to an internal rpm database ...

from the 'vserver --help':

   pkgmgmt externalize|internalize [-y]
... externalize or internalize the package-management for the
given vserver. 'Externalize' means that package metadata
and management tools (apt-get,rpm) are living in the host,
while 'internalize' means that data and programs from the
vserver will be used.


Is it possible somehow for the vrpm from the host os and rpm from
within the vserver to return the same list?


.. and maintain the guest (on the host) with
the internal database ...



	Unfortunately I would like to avoid that:/ . I just want them to 
be able to query the rpm database. I would like to stick with package 
management from the host since it is a life saver.


Cheers ,

--


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Re: [Vserver] VServer logo? [scanned]

[Veit Wahlich]

This seems to become a logo contest... ;)

I suggest to start a regular logo competition with a fixed submission
date for all drafts, a defined submission process (by email/HTTP
upload/etc.) so an overview can be created and rules for a ballot
committee (certain persons? an open community voting? opoll on the ml?)
and the aspects to assess, etc..

I would recommend a 4-stage process:

1. Open community poll, every person may elect its 3 favorites and gives
reasons, why he/she chose those 3 drafts.

2. The top 10 logos are published and get in extensive review and public
opinion, especially also for legal reasons such as trademark right or
evident similarities with other logos or artwork. This should be done by
the whole community.

3. A chosen committee assesses the top 10 logos in respect to defined,
weighted common criteria (personal view on layout, symbolism, recall
value, uniqueness, known possible legal problems, etc.) in consideration
of the results from stage 2.

4. The results of stage 3 are evaluated, if the choice is not clear cut,
a second open discussion on the top candidates may be initiated and
results be evaluated by the committee again.

[5. We have a logo.]

So the question would only be how to choose the committee and how many
members it should have. Persons could either be proposed and elected by
the community or the maintainers pick up persons or you take the hall of
fame people or whatever you can imagine... ;)

Regards,
// Veit


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Re: [Vserver] Re: VServer logo?

[Guenther Fuchs]

Hi there,

on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 at 7:02:36 PM there was posted:

NC> I once had a try :
NC> 
http://nayco.free.fr/wiki/fetch.php?cache=cache&media=ebauchekangourou1_petit.png

NC> Well...

No. Very well. If not supeb. I like it. I LIKE IT! *Applause*

PS: No, they aren't smoking. Babies are not used to smoke. I guess,
they drink Malibu instead.

PPS: Did I say, I really like that one?!

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Re: [Vserver] Re: VServer logo?

[Michael S. Zick]

On Tue January 10 2006 12:02, Nicolas Costes wrote:
> Le Vendredi 6 Janvier 2006 22:56, Guenther Fuchs a ?crit?:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > anyone graphically talented created a logo for VServer yet or wants
> > to? I guess, there's not only me wanting to show a "powered by Linux-
> > VServer" on their page ;-)
> 
> I once had a try : 
> http://nayco.free.fr/wiki/fetch.php?cache=cache&media=ebauchekangourou1_petit.png
> 
> Well...
>
Qute.
And they are all smoking something strange. 
I like it.

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[Vserver] Re: VServer logo?

[Nicolas Costes]

Le Vendredi 6 Janvier 2006 22:56, Guenther Fuchs a écrit :
> Hi there,
>
> anyone graphically talented created a logo for VServer yet or wants
> to? I guess, there's not only me wanting to show a "powered by Linux-
> VServer" on their page ;-)

I once had a try : 
http://nayco.free.fr/wiki/fetch.php?cache=cache&media=ebauchekangourou1_petit.png

Well...

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Re: [Vserver] Making two vservers see the same data/directory structore.

[Michael S. Zick]

On Tue January 10 2006 10:04, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> 
> yes, you will very likely run into permission issues with
> xid tagging enabled on the 'shared' directory, because new
> files will be tagged by one guest and denied to the other
> (an untagged partition would help here)
> 
Herbert,

A short note on this...

Near the top of my to-do list for 2006 is
to see if I can make the ACL system 'xid aware'.

Similar to user and group permission lists, there
would be an xid permission list (and a per directory
xid default).

Both the Linux code implementation and the 'standard'
for ACL allows extensions.

If practical, this would solve this sort of installation
problem.  The mapping of the same (Sub-)tree into multiple
servers while still being selective about permissions on
a per server basis.

Don't hold your breath - I work slow.

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Re: [Vserver] Making two vservers see the same data/directory structore.

[Herbert Poetzl]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 10:35:02AM +0200, Etienne Pretorius wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I don't quite know where to ask or what to google for but here is my
> situation:

> I have a vserver guest runnning an ftp daemon and another vserver
> guest running samba. What I need to do is to mount, or just make it
> avalible, the ftp data in the samba server. I dont want to give the
> samba users access to writing - only reading, so hopefully that will
> solve some permission issues.

basically the solution is simple, just mount some partition
(or a directory with --bind) into both guests, and they
will have both access to it, using BME patches you can also
'mount --bind -o ro' into the samba guest

> Lets say the ftp data is mounted in the samba server under 
> /usr/local/samba/ftp.

> So how would I accomplish this? 

mount --bind /vservers/guestA/ /vservers/guestB/

(make sure to do it _before_ you start the guests, or from
within the namespace of the second one)

> Also I am using ext3 filesystems with the diskquota per vserver
> context application - would this effect the quota?

so you are on a 2.4 kernel I assume ...

yes, you will very likely run into permission issues with
xid tagging enabled on the 'shared' directory, because new
files will be tagged by one guest and denied to the other
(an untagged partition would help here)

HTH,
Herbert

> Thank you.
> Etienne Pretorius
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Re: [Vserver] possible for host and guest to share rpm database?

[Herbert Poetzl]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:45:12AM +0200, Dimitris Zilaskos wrote:
> 
> Hello ,
>  
> I am using linux vserver with gentoo as host os and scientific linux
> guest os(RHEL compatible). I am managing the rpm packages from the
> host os with vapt-get and vyum. However there is a requirement on
> certain vservers that their users have to be able to execute rpm -qa
> and get a list of the installed rpms .Naturally right now the list is
> empty. 

because the rpm database is kept external

> I would like to avoid having to maintain both an internal and
> external rpm database. 

change to an internal rpm database ...

from the 'vserver --help':

pkgmgmt externalize|internalize [-y]
... externalize or internalize the package-management for the
given vserver. 'Externalize' means that package metadata
and management tools (apt-get,rpm) are living in the host,
while 'internalize' means that data and programs from the
vserver will be used.

> Is it possible somehow for the vrpm from the host os and rpm from
> within the vserver to return the same list?

.. and maintain the guest (on the host) with
the internal database ...

HTH,
Herbert

> TIA,
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Dimitris Zilaskos
> 
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[Vserver] possible for host and guest to share rpm database?

[Dimitris Zilaskos]

Hello ,

I am using linux vserver with gentoo as host os and scientific linux
guest  os(RHEL compatible).  I am managing the rpm packages from the host os 
with vapt-get and vyum.
	However there is a requirement on certain vservers that their 
users have to be able to execute rpm -qa and get a list of the 
installed rpms . Naturally right now the list is empty.
	I would like to avoid having to maintain both an internal and 
external rpm database. Is it possible somehow for the vrpm from the host 
os and rpm from within the vserver to return the same list?


TIA,

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[Vserver] Making two vservers see the same data/directory structore.

[Etienne Pretorius]

Hello all,

I don't quite know where to ask or what to google for but here is my 
situation:


I have a vserver guest runnning an ftp daemon and another vserver guest 
running samba.
What I need to do is to mount, or just make it avalible, the ftp data in 
the samba server.
I dont want to give the samba users access to writing - only reading, so 
hopefully that will

solve some permission issues.

Lets say the ftp data is mounted in the samba server under 
/usr/local/samba/ftp.


So how would I accomplish this? Also I am using ext3 filesystems with 
the diskquota

per vserver context application - would this effect the quota?

Thank you.
Etienne Pretorius

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