Re: [Vserver] I think I goofed [solved]
On Thursday 15 September 2005 11:44 pm, Chuck wrote:
The error below has been fixed.
I make my clones using
cp -la template/* new-guest
to create links. Then I remove etc root home and var from the guest and copy
real files into it from the template rather than have links in those.
The problem was that I accidently ran
setattr --iunlink
on a clone etc directory instead of removing the directoy to copy real files
in place. This changed the template /etc which caused the error. Normally I
would not have even found it since I would not run a template, but on this
test bed the template is being used.
To cure the problem I ran setattr --~iunlink on the template /etc directory
and files.
>
> i just copied my template into 3 other vservers using hard link cloning
along
> with copying real files into the etc and var. they run ok however I now get
> an error on start I never got before. I hope I didn't goof using the setattr
> command. error listed next
>
> davin etc # /etc/init.d/vservers start
> * Starting all vservers ...
> chroot-shopen("/etc/mtab"): Permission denied
> secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> Failed to update mtab-file
> secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> Failed to update mtab-file
> secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> Failed to update mtab-file
>
> i just tried setting the attrs mount option on my host / to see if that
cures
> it. didn't have this until I made the 3 other vservers.
>
> finished reboot and that didn't cure anything :(
>
> I will say this though in converting my 3 vservers into hard linked
clones
> all 4 servers including the template now take up 1/3 the amount of space
they
> did before this :)
>
>
> --
>
> Chuck
>
> "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
>
>
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"...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
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Re: [Vserver] I think I goofed [solved]
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:37:12AM -0400, Chuck wrote:
> On Thursday 15 September 2005 11:44 pm, Chuck wrote:
>
> The error below has been fixed.
>
> I make my clones using
>
> cp -la template/* new-guest
>
> to create links. Then I remove etc root home and var from the guest
> and copy real files into it from the template rather than have links
> in those.
>
> The problem was that I accidently ran
>
> setattr --iunlink
>
> on a clone etc directory instead of removing the directoy to copy
> real files in place. This changed the template /etc which caused the
> error. Normally I would not have even found it since I would not run a
> template, but on this test bed the template is being used.
>
> To cure the problem I ran setattr --~iunlink on the template /etc
> directory and files.
note: the --iunlink sets the 'immutable' flag as well as
the 'immutable unlink' flag, basically making those files
immutable against changes, which not even the CoW link
breaking will break, as they are not hardlinked anymore
the --~iunlink removes both flags and makes them normal
files again ...
thanks for the followup!
best,
Herbert
> > i just copied my template into 3 other vservers using hard link
> > cloning along with copying real files into the etc and var. they
> > run ok however I now get an error on start I never got before. I
> > hope I didn't goof using the setattr
> > command. error listed next
> >
> > davin etc # /etc/init.d/vservers start
> > * Starting all vservers ...
> > chroot-shopen("/etc/mtab"): Permission denied
> > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > Failed to update mtab-file
> > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > Failed to update mtab-file
> > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > Failed to update mtab-file
> >
> > i just tried setting the attrs mount option on my host / to see if
> > ithat cures t. didn't have this until I made the 3 other vservers.
> >
> > finished reboot and that didn't cure anything :(
> >
> > I will say this though in converting my 3 vservers into hard
> > linked clones all 4 servers including the template now take up 1/3
> > the amount of space they did before this :)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> >
> >
> > ___
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> > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> >
>
> --
>
> Chuck
>
> "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
>
>
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Re: [Vserver] I think I goofed [solved]
On Friday 16 September 2005 10:52 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> note: the --iunlink sets the 'immutable' flag as well as
> the 'immutable unlink' flag, basically making those files
> immutable against changes, which not even the CoW link
> breaking will break, as they are not hardlinked anymore
>
> the --~iunlink removes both flags and makes them normal
> files again ...
ok now i am totally confused. i thought running --iunlink made the links
breakable/copyable under the 2.1 setups?
so then if --iunlink creates permanent links to files that cannot be touched,
what do i run to take advantage of the 2.1 CoW ?
>
> thanks for the followup!
>
> best,
> Herbert
>
> > > i just copied my template into 3 other vservers using hard link
> > > cloning along with copying real files into the etc and var. they
> > > run ok however I now get an error on start I never got before. I
> > > hope I didn't goof using the setattr
> > > command. error listed next
> > >
> > > davin etc # /etc/init.d/vservers start
> > > * Starting all vservers ...
> > > chroot-shopen("/etc/mtab"): Permission denied
> > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > >
> > > i just tried setting the attrs mount option on my host / to see if
> > > ithat cures t. didn't have this until I made the 3 other vservers.
> > >
> > > finished reboot and that didn't cure anything :(
> > >
> > > I will say this though in converting my 3 vservers into hard
> > > linked clones all 4 servers including the template now take up 1/3
> > > the amount of space they did before this :)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Vserver mailing list
> > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> >
> >
> > ___
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> > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
>
--
Chuck
"...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
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Re: [Vserver] I think I goofed [solved]
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:56:49AM -0400, Chuck wrote:
> On Friday 16 September 2005 10:52 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
>
> > note: the --iunlink sets the 'immutable' flag as well as
> > the 'immutable unlink' flag, basically making those files
> > immutable against changes, which not even the CoW link
> > breaking will break, as they are not hardlinked anymore
> >
> > the --~iunlink removes both flags and makes them normal
> > files again ...
>
> ok now i am totally confused. i thought running --iunlink made the
> links breakable/copyable under the 2.1 setups?
yes, it does ...
> so then if --iunlink creates permanent links to files that cannot be
> touched, what do i run to take advantage of the 2.1 CoW ?
not _links_ that is the important detail here ...
touch /tmp/x
setattr --iunlink /tmp/x
and you get an immutable file, you can remove,
but not alter ...
touch /tmp/a
ln /tmp/a /tmp/b
setattr --iunlink /tmp/a
and you have two files (a,b) which are unified
(i.e. a hardlink to the same inode) which will
be CoW breakable on devel versions (2.1.x)
hope that clarifies,
Herbert
> > thanks for the followup!
> >
> > best,
> > Herbert
> >
> > > > i just copied my template into 3 other vservers using hard link
> > > > cloning along with copying real files into the etc and var. they
> > > > run ok however I now get an error on start I never got before. I
> > > > hope I didn't goof using the setattr
> > > > command. error listed next
> > > >
> > > > davin etc # /etc/init.d/vservers start
> > > > * Starting all vservers ...
> > > > chroot-shopen("/etc/mtab"): Permission denied
> > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > >
> > > > i just tried setting the attrs mount option on my host / to see if
> > > > ithat cures t. didn't have this until I made the 3 other vservers.
> > > >
> > > > finished reboot and that didn't cure anything :(
> > > >
> > > > I will say this though in converting my 3 vservers into hard
> > > > linked clones all 4 servers including the template now take up 1/3
> > > > the amount of space they did before this :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > Vserver mailing list
> > > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Vserver mailing list
> > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> >
>
> --
>
> Chuck
>
> "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
>
>
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Re: [Vserver] I think I goofed [solved]
On Friday 16 September 2005 11:08 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:56:49AM -0400, Chuck wrote:
> > On Friday 16 September 2005 10:52 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> >
> > > note: the --iunlink sets the 'immutable' flag as well as
> > > the 'immutable unlink' flag, basically making those files
> > > immutable against changes, which not even the CoW link
> > > breaking will break, as they are not hardlinked anymore
> > >
> > > the --~iunlink removes both flags and makes them normal
> > > files again ...
> >
> > ok now i am totally confused. i thought running --iunlink made the
> > links breakable/copyable under the 2.1 setups?
>
> yes, it does ...
>
> > so then if --iunlink creates permanent links to files that cannot be
> > touched, what do i run to take advantage of the 2.1 CoW ?
>
> not _links_ that is the important detail here ...
>
> touch /tmp/x
> setattr --iunlink /tmp/x
>
> and you get an immutable file, you can remove,
> but not alter ...
>
> touch /tmp/a
> ln /tmp/a /tmp/b
> setattr --iunlink /tmp/a
>
> and you have two files (a,b) which are unified
> (i.e. a hardlink to the same inode) which will
> be CoW breakable on devel versions (2.1.x)
>
oh my. i think i did it all wrong then. if i was supposed to run the setattr
cmd on the files themselves.. i ran it on the links in the clones.. according
to above i should have run it on the template files.
> hope that clarifies,
> Herbert
>
> > > thanks for the followup!
> > >
> > > best,
> > > Herbert
> > >
> > > > > i just copied my template into 3 other vservers using hard link
> > > > > cloning along with copying real files into the etc and var. they
> > > > > run ok however I now get an error on start I never got before. I
> > > > > hope I didn't goof using the setattr
> > > > > command. error listed next
> > > > >
> > > > > davin etc # /etc/init.d/vservers start
> > > > > * Starting all vservers ...
> > > > > chroot-shopen("/etc/mtab"): Permission denied
> > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > >
> > > > > i just tried setting the attrs mount option on my host / to see if
> > > > > ithat cures t. didn't have this until I made the 3 other vservers.
> > > > >
> > > > > finished reboot and that didn't cure anything :(
> > > > >
> > > > > I will say this though in converting my 3 vservers into hard
> > > > > linked clones all 4 servers including the template now take up 1/3
> > > > > the amount of space they did before this :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ___
> > > > > Vserver mailing list
> > > > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > Vserver mailing list
> > > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> >
> >
> > ___
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> > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
>
--
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"...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
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Re: [Vserver] I think I goofed [solved]
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:12:24AM -0400, Chuck wrote:
> On Friday 16 September 2005 11:08 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:56:49AM -0400, Chuck wrote:
> > > On Friday 16 September 2005 10:52 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> > >
> > > > note: the --iunlink sets the 'immutable' flag as well as
> > > > the 'immutable unlink' flag, basically making those files
> > > > immutable against changes, which not even the CoW link
> > > > breaking will break, as they are not hardlinked anymore
> > > >
> > > > the --~iunlink removes both flags and makes them normal
> > > > files again ...
> > >
> > > ok now i am totally confused. i thought running --iunlink made the
> > > links breakable/copyable under the 2.1 setups?
> >
> > yes, it does ...
> >
> > > so then if --iunlink creates permanent links to files that cannot
> > > be touched, what do i run to take advantage of the 2.1 CoW ?
> >
> > not _links_ that is the important detail here ...
> >
> > touch /tmp/x
> > setattr --iunlink /tmp/x
> >
> > and you get an immutable file, you can remove,
> > but not alter ...
> >
> > touch /tmp/a
> > ln /tmp/a /tmp/b
> > setattr --iunlink /tmp/a
> >
> > and you have two files (a,b) which are unified
> > (i.e. a hardlink to the same inode) which will
> > be CoW breakable on devel versions (2.1.x)
> >
>
> oh my. i think i did it all wrong then. if i was supposed to run the
> setattr cmd on the files themselves.. i ran it on the links in the
> clones.. according to above i should have run it on the template
> files.
both 'file' and 'link' are identical and indistinguishable
(this is a property of hard links) so the choice is yours
(i.e. both will have the flags set afterwards :)
HTH,
Herbert
> > hope that clarifies,
> > Herbert
> >
> > > > thanks for the followup!
> > > >
> > > > best,
> > > > Herbert
> > > >
> > > > > > i just copied my template into 3 other vservers using hard link
> > > > > > cloning along with copying real files into the etc and var. they
> > > > > > run ok however I now get an error on start I never got before. I
> > > > > > hope I didn't goof using the setattr
> > > > > > command. error listed next
> > > > > >
> > > > > > davin etc # /etc/init.d/vservers start
> > > > > > * Starting all vservers ...
> > > > > > chroot-shopen("/etc/mtab"): Permission denied
> > > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i just tried setting the attrs mount option on my host / to see if
> > > > > > ithat cures t. didn't have this until I made the 3 other vservers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > finished reboot and that didn't cure anything :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will say this though in converting my 3 vservers into hard
> > > > > > linked clones all 4 servers including the template now take up 1/3
> > > > > > the amount of space they did before this :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > > > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > > > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > > > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > > > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ___
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> > > > > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > > > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ___
> > > > > Vserver mailing list
> > > > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Vserver] I think I goofed [solved]
On Friday 16 September 2005 11:16 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:12:24AM -0400, Chuck wrote:
> > On Friday 16 September 2005 11:08 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:56:49AM -0400, Chuck wrote:
> > > > On Friday 16 September 2005 10:52 am, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > note: the --iunlink sets the 'immutable' flag as well as
> > > > > the 'immutable unlink' flag, basically making those files
> > > > > immutable against changes, which not even the CoW link
> > > > > breaking will break, as they are not hardlinked anymore
> > > > >
> > > > > the --~iunlink removes both flags and makes them normal
> > > > > files again ...
> > > >
> > > > ok now i am totally confused. i thought running --iunlink made the
> > > > links breakable/copyable under the 2.1 setups?
> > >
> > > yes, it does ...
> > >
> > > > so then if --iunlink creates permanent links to files that cannot
> > > > be touched, what do i run to take advantage of the 2.1 CoW ?
> > >
> > > not _links_ that is the important detail here ...
> > >
> > > touch /tmp/x
> > > setattr --iunlink /tmp/x
> > >
> > > and you get an immutable file, you can remove,
> > > but not alter ...
> > >
> > > touch /tmp/a
> > > ln /tmp/a /tmp/b
> > > setattr --iunlink /tmp/a
> > >
> > > and you have two files (a,b) which are unified
> > > (i.e. a hardlink to the same inode) which will
> > > be CoW breakable on devel versions (2.1.x)
> > >
> >
> > oh my. i think i did it all wrong then. if i was supposed to run the
> > setattr cmd on the files themselves.. i ran it on the links in the
> > clones.. according to above i should have run it on the template
> > files.
>
> both 'file' and 'link' are identical and indistinguishable
> (this is a property of hard links) so the choice is yours
> (i.e. both will have the flags set afterwards :)
>
whew .. ok
> HTH,
> Herbert
>
> > > hope that clarifies,
> > > Herbert
> > >
> > > > > thanks for the followup!
> > > > >
> > > > > best,
> > > > > Herbert
> > > > >
> > > > > > > i just copied my template into 3 other vservers using hard link
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > cloning along with copying real files into the etc and var. they
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > run ok however I now get an error on start I never got before. I
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hope I didn't goof using the setattr
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > command. error listed next
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > davin etc # /etc/init.d/vservers start
> > > > > > > * Starting all vservers ...
> > > > > > > chroot-shopen("/etc/mtab"): Permission denied
> > > > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > > > secure-mount: open(): Permission denied
> > > > > > > Failed to update mtab-file
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i just tried setting the attrs mount option on my host / to see
if
> > > > > > > ithat cures t. didn't have this until I made the 3 other
vservers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > finished reboot and that didn't cure anything :(
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will say this though in converting my 3 vservers into hard
> > > > > > > linked clones all 4 servers including the template now take up
1/3
> > > > > > > the amount of space they did before this :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their
anger,
> > > > > > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the
BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > > > > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > > > > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > > > > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ___
> > > > > > > Vserver mailing list
> > > > > > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > > > > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their
anger,
> > > > > > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the
BlueScreensOfDeath
> > > > > > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
> > > > > > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
> > > > > > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ___
> > > > > > Vserver mailing list
> > > > > > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org
> > > > > > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
> > > > an
