Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 05:06 pm, Benedikt Boehm wrote:
i used your new methods to make the template and then make a stage3 of my own
and make a guest from that.. incredibly nice
> On Sunday 02 October 2005 20:42, Chuck wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 October 2005 04:41 pm, Benedikt Boehm wrote:
> >
> > ok cool thanks... one more quick one...
> >
> >
> > if i choose the latest 2005.1 standard p3 stage3 from the mirrors then
> > overlayed the guest baselayout is that sufficient or are there other
> > changes in the stage3 that i should stick with the older one?
>
> proably it will work, but not sure, i think you have to unmerge baselayout
> before and without it you're not able to emerge anything...
>
> if you're familar with catalyst you could try the
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/stages/build-stages script, it will build
> stages for you, though we will upload new ones soon...
>
> >
> > > On Sunday 02 October 2005 20:21, Chuck wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 02 October 2005 11:49 am, Chuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > with these new versions of base layout and util-vserver, do we still
> > > > need to put this into a post start script?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > vattribute --xid 3407 --flag ^37
> > > >
> > > > or is that now not needed?
> > >
> > > it is not needed with baselayout-vserver-{1.11.13-r1,12.0_pre8}, and
> > > 0.30.208-r3 contains a patch which adds the cflags to vattribute, so you
> > > could do
> > >
> > > vattribute --xid 3407 --flag reboot_kill
> > >
> > > if you still need it for some guests...
> > >
> > > also look at http://home.xnull.de:8008/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml
> > > i updated it to make use of new tools included in 0.30-208-r3
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
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Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 20:42, Chuck wrote:
> On Sunday 02 October 2005 04:41 pm, Benedikt Boehm wrote:
>
> ok cool thanks... one more quick one...
>
>
> if i choose the latest 2005.1 standard p3 stage3 from the mirrors then
> overlayed the guest baselayout is that sufficient or are there other
> changes in the stage3 that i should stick with the older one?
proably it will work, but not sure, i think you have to unmerge baselayout
before and without it you're not able to emerge anything...
if you're familar with catalyst you could try the
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hollow/stages/build-stages script, it will build
stages for you, though we will upload new ones soon...
>
> > On Sunday 02 October 2005 20:21, Chuck wrote:
> > > On Sunday 02 October 2005 11:49 am, Chuck wrote:
> > >
> > > with these new versions of base layout and util-vserver, do we still
> > > need to put this into a post start script?
> > >
> > >
> > > vattribute --xid 3407 --flag ^37
> > >
> > > or is that now not needed?
> >
> > it is not needed with baselayout-vserver-{1.11.13-r1,12.0_pre8}, and
> > 0.30.208-r3 contains a patch which adds the cflags to vattribute, so you
> > could do
> >
> > vattribute --xid 3407 --flag reboot_kill
> >
> > if you still need it for some guests...
> >
> > also look at http://home.xnull.de:8008/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml
> > i updated it to make use of new tools included in 0.30-208-r3
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
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Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 04:41 pm, Benedikt Boehm wrote:
ok cool thanks... one more quick one...
if i choose the latest 2005.1 standard p3 stage3 from the mirrors then
overlayed the guest baselayout is that sufficient or are there other changes
in the stage3 that i should stick with the older one?
> On Sunday 02 October 2005 20:21, Chuck wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 October 2005 11:49 am, Chuck wrote:
> >
> > with these new versions of base layout and util-vserver, do we still need
> > to put this into a post start script?
> >
> >
> > vattribute --xid 3407 --flag ^37
> >
> > or is that now not needed?
>
> it is not needed with baselayout-vserver-{1.11.13-r1,12.0_pre8}, and
> 0.30.208-r3 contains a patch which adds the cflags to vattribute, so you
> could do
>
> vattribute --xid 3407 --flag reboot_kill
>
> if you still need it for some guests...
>
> also look at http://home.xnull.de:8008/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml
> i updated it to make use of new tools included in 0.30-208-r3
>
> Cheers!
>
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"...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
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Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 20:21, Chuck wrote:
> On Sunday 02 October 2005 11:49 am, Chuck wrote:
>
> with these new versions of base layout and util-vserver, do we still need
> to put this into a post start script?
>
>
> vattribute --xid 3407 --flag ^37
>
> or is that now not needed?
it is not needed with baselayout-vserver-{1.11.13-r1,12.0_pre8}, and
0.30.208-r3 contains a patch which adds the cflags to vattribute, so you
could do
vattribute --xid 3407 --flag reboot_kill
if you still need it for some guests...
also look at http://home.xnull.de:8008/doc/en/vserver-howto.xml
i updated it to make use of new tools included in 0.30-208-r3
Cheers!
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Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 11:49 am, Chuck wrote: with these new versions of base layout and util-vserver, do we still need to put this into a post start script? vattribute --xid 3407 --flag ^37 or is that now not needed? > On Sunday 02 October 2005 10:46 am, Christian Heim wrote: > > On Sunday 02 October 2005 15:48, Chuck wrote: > > > wrong terminology im sure :) the ability to set mark files and their > > > contents. > > You mean the context tagging of files by any chance ?! > > > > no.. i dont know how long mark files have been supported;.. they go in > > /etc/vservers/guestname/apps/init > > and usually contain 'default' so the veserver startup script will start only > those services marked default. > > > > where can i find the differences between the 2 base layouts? i am getting > > Well, the 1.12.0_pre stuff is AFAIK a complete rework and some stuff is even > > modularized. I've no idea if there's anywhere a comparison between the 2 > > baselayouts. But you could have a look in the gentoo-dev mailinglist > > archives. > > > > > ready to install them into the guests that are running now.. even tho > these > > > are 'production' they are also my 'proving ground' so once i start on the > > > big machine i will not have these kinds of things to mess with and can > just > > > install certain versions of everything and be done with them :) > > The go for baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1 :) that is old-style baselayout and > > should be somewhat stable to use :) > > -- > > ok will do. i will install 1.12.0 in my testing guest on the production server > and 1.11.13 in the production template and guests.. :) > > > Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer) > > > > -- > > Chuck > > "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger, > and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath > or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose > for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. " > The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book > > > ___ > Vserver mailing list > Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org > http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver > -- Chuck "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger, and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. " The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 10:46 am, Christian Heim wrote: > On Sunday 02 October 2005 15:48, Chuck wrote: > > wrong terminology im sure :) the ability to set mark files and their > > contents. > You mean the context tagging of files by any chance ?! > no.. i dont know how long mark files have been supported;.. they go in /etc/vservers/guestname/apps/init and usually contain 'default' so the veserver startup script will start only those services marked default. > > where can i find the differences between the 2 base layouts? i am getting > Well, the 1.12.0_pre stuff is AFAIK a complete rework and some stuff is even > modularized. I've no idea if there's anywhere a comparison between the 2 > baselayouts. But you could have a look in the gentoo-dev mailinglist > archives. > > > ready to install them into the guests that are running now.. even tho these > > are 'production' they are also my 'proving ground' so once i start on the > > big machine i will not have these kinds of things to mess with and can just > > install certain versions of everything and be done with them :) > The go for baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1 :) that is old-style baselayout and > should be somewhat stable to use :) > -- ok will do. i will install 1.12.0 in my testing guest on the production server and 1.11.13 in the production template and guests.. :) > Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer) > -- Chuck "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger, and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. " The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 15:48, Chuck wrote: > wrong terminology im sure :) the ability to set mark files and their > contents. You mean the context tagging of files by any chance ?! > where can i find the differences between the 2 base layouts? i am getting Well, the 1.12.0_pre stuff is AFAIK a complete rework and some stuff is even modularized. I've no idea if there's anywhere a comparison between the 2 baselayouts. But you could have a look in the gentoo-dev mailinglist archives. > ready to install them into the guests that are running now.. even tho these > are 'production' they are also my 'proving ground' so once i start on the > big machine i will not have these kinds of things to mess with and can just > install certain versions of everything and be done with them :) The go for baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1 :) that is old-style baselayout and should be somewhat stable to use :) -- Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer) pgpBDeLBEPa74.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 09:38 am, Christian Heim wrote:
> On Sunday 02 October 2005 15:15, Chuck wrote:
> >
> >
> > i need reliability more than 'bleeding edge' however i do need things like
> > exec inside a guest from host and abilities to flag various hosts to
> > autostart and things like that. we have no 64 bit guests or hosts so ...
>
> "exec" as in vserver ${name} exec ?! Well that is simple, and is covered by
a
> default installation (even the stage3-tarball covers this).
>
> What do you mean with "flag" ?! Some sort of depends between different
> guests ?
>
wrong terminology im sure :) the ability to set mark files and their contents.
where can i find the differences between the 2 base layouts? i am getting
ready to install them into the guests that are running now.. even tho these
are 'production' they are also my 'proving ground' so once i start on the
big machine i will not have these kinds of things to mess with and can just
install certain versions of everything and be done with them :)
> --
> Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer)
>
--
Chuck
"...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger,
and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath
or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose
for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. "
The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book
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Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 15:15, Chuck wrote:
>
>
> i need reliability more than 'bleeding edge' however i do need things like
> exec inside a guest from host and abilities to flag various hosts to
> autostart and things like that. we have no 64 bit guests or hosts so ...
"exec" as in vserver ${name} exec ?! Well that is simple, and is covered by a
default installation (even the stage3-tarball covers this).
What do you mean with "flag" ?! Some sort of depends between different
guests ?
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Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer)
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Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 15:19, Chuck wrote: > the only reason i use vanilla kernels now is i have found on my > workstations and servers a noticable increase in performance using vanilla > over the gentoo-sources. i believe it is due to all the extra patches that > i dont use anyway :) > > is the verserver sources only a vanilla with the vserver patch and thats > it? Nope, the vserver-sources are based upon the gentoo-sources (genpatches if you want a precise answer ;)) > -- Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer) pgpUw54W1mK4V.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 08:31 am, Christian Heim wrote: > > > > 2. if so what are the latest versions of the above? > * latest kernel patch is at 2.1.0_rc2 (IIRC) >- for Gentoo that is =vserver-sources-2.1.0_rc2 (~x86) > incorporating kernel-2.6.13.2 and vs2.1.0_rc2 > the only reason i use vanilla kernels now is i have found on my workstations and servers a noticable increase in performance using vanilla over the gentoo-sources. i believe it is due to all the extra patches that i dont use anyway :) is the verserver sources only a vanilla with the vserver patch and thats it? > > -- > Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer) > -- Chuck "...and the hordes of M$*ft users descended upon me in their anger, and asked 'Why do you not get the viruses or the BlueScreensOfDeath or insecure system troubles and slowness or pay through the nose for an OS as *we* do?!!', and I answered...'I use Linux'. " The Book of John, chapter 1, page 1, and end of book ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 08:31 am, Christian Heim wrote: > On Sunday 02 October 2005 13:59, Chuck wrote: > > I guess my question is more than one :) . > > > > 1. is the stop bug fixed > Yes, in the latest baselayout-vserver they're fixed. > That means you've currently to do the following inside your guests: > # echo '=sys-apps/baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1 ~x86 \ > >> /etc/portage/package.keywords' > # CONFIG_PROTECT="-*" emerge -u baselayout-vserver > > after that, your guest should now be stopping fine > > > 2. if so what are the latest versions of the above? > * latest kernel patch is at 2.1.0_rc2 (IIRC) >- for Gentoo that is =vserver-sources-2.1.0_rc2 (~x86) > incorporating kernel-2.6.13.2 and vs2.1.0_rc2 > > * util-vserver-0.30.208 (are the latest) >- for Gentoo that is =util-vserver-0.30.208-r3 (~x86) > > * baselayout for the guests is currently at >- =baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1 (~x86) >- =baselayout-vserver-1.12.0_pre8 (~x86) > >Depends if you like to use the 1.12.0 stuff or the old ones > thank you! will upgrade everything i can now, then when i prep 'bertha' ill just do all the existing guests from scratch again. i have no clue whether im using 1.11.13 or 1.12.0.. the base layout was included in the stage 3 i got from hollow's site several weeks ago. have no clue what the differences are. > > 3. what is my best approach for least production problems in > > creating a template? > > a. find an updated stage3 that includes latest base layout > > b. make the template from the latest stage1 vserver build and > > use the latest base layout with that and just build the thing > > from scratch? > > Depends on the following: > * how bleeding-edge you would like to be > * if you need some customizations (like 64-bit guests) > > The stage-tarballs will be renewed > * every half year > * if a new baselayout-vserver went stable > > If I were you, I would go for the template from scratch. > i need reliability more than 'bleeding edge' however i do need things like exec inside a guest from host and abilities to flag various hosts to autostart and things like that. we have no 64 bit guests or hosts so ... > > -- > Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer) > -- Chuck ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
Re: [Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
On Sunday 02 October 2005 13:59, Chuck wrote: > I guess my question is more than one :) . > > 1. is the stop bug fixed Yes, in the latest baselayout-vserver they're fixed. That means you've currently to do the following inside your guests: # echo '=sys-apps/baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1 ~x86 \ >> /etc/portage/package.keywords' # CONFIG_PROTECT="-*" emerge -u baselayout-vserver after that, your guest should now be stopping fine > 2. if so what are the latest versions of the above? * latest kernel patch is at 2.1.0_rc2 (IIRC) - for Gentoo that is =vserver-sources-2.1.0_rc2 (~x86) incorporating kernel-2.6.13.2 and vs2.1.0_rc2 * util-vserver-0.30.208 (are the latest) - for Gentoo that is =util-vserver-0.30.208-r3 (~x86) * baselayout for the guests is currently at - =baselayout-vserver-1.11.13-r1 (~x86) - =baselayout-vserver-1.12.0_pre8 (~x86) Depends if you like to use the 1.12.0 stuff or the old ones > 3. what is my best approach for least production problems in > creating a template? > a. find an updated stage3 that includes latest base layout > b. make the template from the latest stage1 vserver build and > use the latest base layout with that and just build the thing > from scratch? Depends on the following: * how bleeding-edge you would like to be * if you need some customizations (like 64-bit guests) The stage-tarballs will be renewed * every half year * if a new baselayout-vserver went stable If I were you, I would go for the template from scratch. > I have moved many servers into guests on various machines temporarily to > make rack space for 'big bertha' (8u machine), a 4 processor system which > will be our final resting place for all the servers. Then the most powerful > of the empty servers will be converted to guest colo machines and the rest > retired and sold. > > Since this will be the final production machine I want to do it all right > with all fixes the first time so I don't have to go back and baby-sit it in > any way. This system will be fully automated and at times will be > auto-starting and stopping certain guests which are only in service certain > hours on certain days.. which means there is no room for error. It all has > to work perfectly every time. > > Suggestions? -- Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gentoo Linux Developer (VServer) pgpS0F4ExuqaI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
[Vserver] gentoo stop fix? and final production guidance requested.
i am currently using the "Bertl-Shep" stop fix which appears to be working for the most part. Is there a permanent cure for this now? I am currently using the following versions latest as of 2 weeks ago gentoo 2005.1 install on host. kernel 2.6.13.1 vanilla sources from kernel.org with patch-2.6.13.1-vs2.1.0-rc2.diff installed. I am just upgrading now to the util-vserver-0.30.208-r3 and am using the stage3-latest as of a few weeks ago that was obtained from Hollow's site. I guess my question is more than one :) . 1. is the stop bug fixed 2. if so what are the latest versions of the above? 3. what is my best approach for least production problems in creating a template? a. find an updated stage3 that includes latest base layout b. make the template from the latest stage1 vserver build and use the latest base layout with that and just build the thing from scratch? I have moved many servers into guests on various machines temporarily to make rack space for 'big bertha' (8u machine), a 4 processor system which will be our final resting place for all the servers. Then the most powerful of the empty servers will be converted to guest colo machines and the rest retired and sold. Since this will be the final production machine I want to do it all right with all fixes the first time so I don't have to go back and baby-sit it in any way. This system will be fully automated and at times will be auto-starting and stopping certain guests which are only in service certain hours on certain days.. which means there is no room for error. It all has to work perfectly every time. Suggestions? -- Chuck ___ Vserver mailing list Vserver@list.linux-vserver.org http://list.linux-vserver.org/mailman/listinfo/vserver
