Re: [Vserver] is DMZ on dummy[0-9] good practice

2005-08-16 Thread Dirk Ruediger
Matthew Nuzum wrote:
If I can gather all th information needed, the I am willing to write
some doku in the wiki at linux-vserver.org :-)

 Dirk,
 
 If you feel capable and have the time, I suspect many would enjoy reading a
 mini how to explaining the set up of a virtual LAN like you're doing.
 
 It seems like the subject comes up often enough for it to be a useful
 reference.

Thats why I offered to do this. I spant much time searching thru the
mail archives ...
But I didn't work with vlan so far, only a DMZ (with minimal) firewall
setup. And it's working fine :-)

I dont know when I can achieve this, but I will do.

Greetings
Dirk
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Re: [Vserver] is DMZ on dummy[0-9] good practice

2005-08-14 Thread Gilles
Hello.

  But first I want to know, if this is common =good) practice. Or should I
  rather tinker with bridge and tun devices? The mailing list shows many
  things possible (vlan, bridge, dummy), but I can't see, what the best
  practices are.
  
  If I can gather all th information needed, the I am willing to write
  some doku in the wiki at linux-vserver.org :-)
  
 
 Dirk,
 
 If you feel capable and have the time, I suspect many would enjoy reading a
 mini how to explaining the set up of a virtual LAN like you're doing.
 
 It seems like the subject comes up often enough for it to be a useful
 reference.
 

I was the one who recently bugged Herbert about this kind of setup.
I had promised I would write a summary of Herbert's tips [other things
came up and I had to delay ;-/ ], so I could help with a section or two
(but not next week).
Nevertheless, I should point that I have the impression that trying to
mimic a DMZ network and an internal network through multiple vservers
inside a single host doesn't give more security that just having all the 
vservers on the same net as the host; the impression coming mainly from
Herbert's persistently calling this a funny scenario.
It seems that ngnet might be what we are actually looking for...

Best regards,
Gilles
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Re: [Vserver] is DMZ on dummy[0-9] good practice

2005-08-13 Thread Herbert Poetzl
On Sat, Aug 13, 2005 at 09:37:13AM +0200, Dirk Ruediger wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I just installed (that means 14 days ago) linux-vserver and run ~12
 vservers on one physical box running different services inside every
 vserver (mail server, web server, etc.). It works great! The iptables
 firewall (via firehol) is filtering all the traffic for the vservers.

great! sounds like the way it's supposed to be ...

 I wanted to have a DMZ and installed an additional network card to bind
 all these vservers to. But then I discovered the dummy device and want
 to change eth1 against dummy0 (after installing the dummy module ;-)
 and remove the additional network card from the server if it can be done.

sure, that can be done ...

 But first I want to know, if this is common =good) practice. Or should I
 rather tinker with bridge and tun devices? The mailing list shows many
 things possible (vlan, bridge, dummy), but I can't see, what the best
 practices are.

actually it doesn't really matter which device you 'bind'
the address to, because the interface will not be used
for outgoing packets (if it isn't the proper route, which
is very unlikely with a dummy device) and it will not
be used for local traffic either ...

bridge/tun sounds funny, but nobody could explain to me
the purpose/feature/idea behind that ...

 If I can gather all th information needed, the I am willing to write
 some doku in the wiki at linux-vserver.org :-)

so IMHO dummy0 should be what you want, but don't assume
that packets will originate from there or leave through
this interface (otherwise your setup is very broken)

HTH,
Herbert

 Thanks for your advice.
 
 Greetings
 Dirk
 
 
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RE: [Vserver] is DMZ on dummy[0-9] good practice

2005-08-13 Thread Matthew Nuzum
 I wanted to have a DMZ and installed an additional network card to bind
 all these vservers to. But then I discovered the dummy device and want
 to change eth1 against dummy0 (after installing the dummy module ;-)
 and remove the additional network card from the server if it can be done.
 
 But first I want to know, if this is common =good) practice. Or should I
 rather tinker with bridge and tun devices? The mailing list shows many
 things possible (vlan, bridge, dummy), but I can't see, what the best
 practices are.
 
 If I can gather all th information needed, the I am willing to write
 some doku in the wiki at linux-vserver.org :-)
 

Dirk,

If you feel capable and have the time, I suspect many would enjoy reading a
mini how to explaining the set up of a virtual LAN like you're doing.

It seems like the subject comes up often enough for it to be a useful
reference.

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