Re: iiSP Tech Support

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:42 AM, Dark Servant wrote:

> Just a matter of interest. I have heard that while they are useless at
> standard modem connections they are however quite advanced in
> broadband. This doesn't effect me but I'm curious to know if it is
> true and maybe someone else will benefit from this knowledge.
>
>

FWIW, I attended a Netcomm roadshow last Wednesday evening, where a 
couple of interesting points were made:

1. WA has more ADSL uptake than any other state in Oz (and is is 
growing rapidly), and

2. iinet is the largest supplier of ADSL internet services in Oz, 
outside of Telstra Bigpond.

Whether this is a measure of their level of advancement or not is open 
to discussion, I guess, but I suppose there must be some reason why 
they have got to this position.

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Perth, 
Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482 Fax (618) 9332 0913

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PowerBook car adaptor ideas

[Phillip McGree]

Hiya all,

Most of us with PowerBooks (and other portable devices) at some stage wish we 
could charge them up in the car. But it's extremely expensive to buy a 
PowerBook car adaptor. I've just found these on Tandy's web site, anyone got 
any feedback on how suitable these devices would be?


This inverter is ideal for running small appliances like a portable Television 
, Radio Cassette, CD Player that have a 12v source input.

Features:
*DC Input Voltage: 10-15 Volt (12V Nominal)
*Output Frequency: 50Hz + 1%
*Output Wave Form: Modified Sine wave
*Output Power: 160W (surge) 150W (continuous)
*AC Output Voltage: 230-240V AC
*Low Battery Alarm: Below 10.5V DC
*Weight: 700g
*Efficiency: 90%
*No Load Current Draw:
*Replacement for M 5100

Price: $86



Features:
*DC Input Voltage: 10.5 - 15Volt (12V Nominal)
*Output Frequency: 50Hz +/- 1%
*Output Wave Form: Modified Sine wave
*Output Power: 310W (surge) 300W (continuous)
*Weight: 900g
*Cooling: Convection and Fan cooling
*Dimensions (LxWxH): 232 x 104 x 58mm
*Efficiency: up to 90%
*No Load Current Drain: <0.7A
*Full load current drain: approx 28A
*Low Battery Alarm: Below 10.5V DC

Price: $128

Looking through the lists of features indicates that the key difference is the 
output power. These things still aren't giveaway prices, but at least they have 
a lot more potential use than just a specific laptop car adaptor. A search on 
the site for Dick Smith Electronics (http://www.dse.com.au) for "inverter" 
showed the identical items at the same prices.



Regards,
Phil



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Future Meeting Content

[gladdy64]

Suggestions to incoming committee:

1. Prize draws - a bit of a yawn esp if prizes are trivial. Members'
time is valuable, so don't waste it on trivia

2. New members - we used to get them to intro themselves and indicate
their interests. Are we still interested?

3. Q&A - used to be highlight of many a meeting. Also used to be
contributions from a wide range of gurus who don't seem to come any
more. Pres should not feel under pressure to answer every Q
personally. Maybe that's why other gurus don't bother to come any
more.

Q&A should be major component of every meeting and not just to fill
in time while demos are prepared.

Could committee try and get the other gurus interested again? Or at
least find out why they don't come any more.

4. New Committee Members - no real attempt was made at the AGM to
recruit to the committee. We need new blood and all committee members
should see it as part of their role to replace themselves over time. 

10.2.4 update warning

[Jude]

I updated to 10.2.4 and about a week later started having issues with 
the time being reset to Jan 1, 1970 every restart. Knowing this is a 
classic sign of a dying battery, and including my recent blue 
screens-of-a-long-lie-down, I trundled off and bought a new battery.


Installed new battery, restarted, same thing.

More searching has now netted me the information that it seems that 
lots of dual g4s are having similar problems with the update, 
including problems with modems, monitor recognition and some other 
stuff.


There was a huge discussion on the apple site - over 300 complaints 
about it - but I can't seem to find it again to link to.


Anyway - just a warning if you are thinking of going to 10.2.4 - 
seems to be a bit buggy, and if you have updated and are having clock 
issues, it's probably not your battery.


Jude

Re: Wintel go's Cube

[Reg Whitely]

Didn't Zayfod Beeblebrox use one of these 15 years ago?
It' been a long time between drinks! Even Marvin had one too from 
memory?


Reg

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 04:53 pm, Katinka Mills wrote:





-Original Message-
From: Mark Secker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Wintel go's Cube



http://www.chyangfun.com/Product/CF-S968.htm

next week, the wintel iMac ;)


Lol, these are not ment to be take offs of the G4 cube, these machines 
are
called "Thin net clients" and are not memt to have much grunt or 
specs. The
idea is that in the office of say 50 secretaries, they all have thin 
net

clients that act as intelligent terminals to a central server, the
applications run on the central server (makes tech support easy) all 
these
boxes are meant to do is convert the user input in to Ethernet signals 
and

the Ethernet signals into output for the user.

I say meant to be, as they are now used in applications like portable 
MP3

players (not personal) in cars etc, security apps etc. As an example an
Alarm and Access Processor that we designed in the late 90's cost us ~ 
$500
to make, and was a pain to design due to all the parallel processes 
that
could happen. If these thin LAN client machines were around, we could 
have

made the cost ~$100 :o)

I use them here for development machines (I am developing PCI cards 
for the
entertainment industry) but I do not want to use a flash MB as if I 
stuff
up, I can toast a  MB, so I use these cheap thin client boards, if 
I
stuff up I toast only $100 (and I can salvage things like the soldered 
in

CPU of the PCB :o)

I will be making a Mac version of the front end software, so if we 
have any
budding programmers, let me know and I will let you know when I am 
ready to
get the Mac version running (and yes, it will be before the PC version 
:o)


Regards,

Kat.

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Wanted - SCSI Cable

[T A Masolini]

Does anyone have a SCSI cable with the following connectors -

High Density (half pitch) 50 pin male to D Sub 25 pin male

which they would like to sell.

Please contact me at the above address or telephone 9277 5740.

Thanks,

Terri.

RE: Wintel go's Cube

[Katinka Mills]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Secker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Wintel go's Cube
>
>
>
> http://www.chyangfun.com/Product/CF-S968.htm
>
> next week, the wintel iMac ;)

Lol, these are not ment to be take offs of the G4 cube, these machines are
called "Thin net clients" and are not memt to have much grunt or specs. The
idea is that in the office of say 50 secretaries, they all have thin net
clients that act as intelligent terminals to a central server, the
applications run on the central server (makes tech support easy) all these
boxes are meant to do is convert the user input in to Ethernet signals and
the Ethernet signals into output for the user.

I say meant to be, as they are now used in applications like portable MP3
players (not personal) in cars etc, security apps etc. As an example an
Alarm and Access Processor that we designed in the late 90's cost us ~ $500
to make, and was a pain to design due to all the parallel processes that
could happen. If these thin LAN client machines were around, we could have
made the cost ~$100 :o)

I use them here for development machines (I am developing PCI cards for the
entertainment industry) but I do not want to use a flash MB as if I stuff
up, I can toast a  MB, so I use these cheap thin client boards, if I
stuff up I toast only $100 (and I can salvage things like the soldered in
CPU of the PCB :o)

I will be making a Mac version of the front end software, so if we have any
budding programmers, let me know and I will let you know when I am ready to
get the Mac version running (and yes, it will be before the PC version :o)

Regards,

Kat.

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Re: Wanted to buy - a machine from the dark side

[David de la Hunty]

Me too.

My lighting system only obeys a PC (RS232). Many attempts at PC 
emulation
with numerous Macs have failed - apparently it has to be absolutely 
definitely

native RS232.

I have an ancient Compaq Aero baby laptop but it won't run Win95. Anyone
with an old WinDoze (95+) laptop please email me off list if you want 
to offload it...

please, nothing fancy!

Many thanks,

David

On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 12:28 Australia/Perth, Kaye and Geoff 
wrote:



Hi,

A friend of mine had his PC and modem wiped out by lightning the
other day, and wants to pick up a second-hand one. Does anyone know
of a similar list to this (or the Mac-for-sale list) for PC users?

a hint....apple support links

[Mark Secker]

FYI Apple Support URL's can be cut short at the article number and 
still work all the rest is guff'n'fluff from having got there via a 
apple knowledge base search



so an Apple Knowledge Base search on "USB 2"

gives the following URL



which can be shortened to



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Re: OS 9.2.2 [Scanned]

[Kelly Duffy]

I know it's a long link, but there it is.


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75186&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A
%2F%2Fkbase.info.apple.com%2Fcgi-bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCT
oHomePage&searchMode=Expert&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&ran
domValue=100&showSurvey=false&sessionID=anonymous|165749084
If that fails you can look for one here.

http://kbase.info.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/kbase.woa/wa/query?val=+9.2.2
&button.x=17&button.y=15&type=downloads&type=smartSearch&nodes=&dateModified
=&geography=

Regards,
Kelly Duffy

On 3/5/03 3:15 PM, "Gaff, Warwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry for the inconvenience... is there any such version as OS 9.2.2 for
> a Macintosh? And where would I find it?
> 
> 
> 
> ftp://ftp.apple.com/ has heaps of updates under every language but not
> this one...
> 
> 
> 
> TIA
> 
> 
> 
> Warwick Gaff
> IT Technician
> 
> 
> 
> Trinity College
> 
> Trinity Avenue, East Perth
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Re: OS 9.2.2 [Scanned]

[Mark Secker]

try 

for info and a download link...




ftp://ftp.apple.com/ has heaps of updates under every language but not
this one...



TIA



Warwick Gaff
IT Technician



Trinity College

Trinity Avenue, East Perth



ph: +61 (08) 93253655 ext: 161

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only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
man, but kept a child."

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safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Re: OS 9.2.2 [Scanned]

[Mark Secker]

Sorry for the inconvenience... is there any such version as OS 9.2.2 for
a Macintosh? And where would I find it?




It is the final version of OS 9 (well so far and apple say's it 
ain't touching OS 9 any more) and it comes with OSX - I don't think 
you can actually get it with out purchasing OS X - at least not here 
with our educational licences.




To put OS 9.2.2 on a 7300 we had to purchase OSX ... but if you 
install just OS 9.2.2 on one computer you can't install osx on a 
second computer even if you don't put OS 9.2.2 on the second computer.





ftp://ftp.apple.com/ has heaps of updates under every language but not
this one...



TIA



Warwick Gaff
IT Technician



Trinity College

Trinity Avenue, East Perth



ph: +61 (08) 93253655 ext: 161

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only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
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safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

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OS 9.2.2 [Scanned]

[Gaff, Warwick]

Sorry for the inconvenience... is there any such version as OS 9.2.2 for
a Macintosh? And where would I find it?



ftp://ftp.apple.com/ has heaps of updates under every language but not
this one...



TIA



Warwick Gaff
IT Technician



Trinity College

Trinity Avenue, East Perth



ph: +61 (08) 93253655 ext: 161

fx: +61 (08) 92214352

mb: +61 0415 638 104

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Re: .wmv file format

[Goodall-Smith - Psychological Health Care]

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:

> downloaded a movie in .wmv format - says it is windows movie file - 
> neither
> quicktime or graphic converter seem to be able to open it - do I need 
> some
> special plug-in to open on a mac?
>

Download Windows Movie Player (via Version Tracker would be a good 
way). The link to download the new version of 7.1.3 is:

http://versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=13112&db=mac

Load it onto your Mac and it should then open and play happily

Good Luck,

Phil

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Re: .wmv file format

[Mark Secker]

Microsoft Media Player

for OS 8 or 9


for OSX




downloaded a movie in .wmv format - says it is windows movie file - neither
quicktime or graphic converter seem to be able to open it - do I need some
special plug-in to open on a mac?

TIA

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only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
man, but kept a child."

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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Re: .wmv file format

[Matthew Healey]

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:

downloaded a movie in .wmv format - says it is windows movie file - 
neither
quicktime or graphic converter seem to be able to open it - do I need 
some

special plug-in to open on a mac?

TIA


wmv = Windows Media Video

Download the player from



- Matt

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Re: .wmv file format

[Greg Hosking]

windows media player. (for the mac... is that an oxymoron?)


> downloaded a movie in .wmv format - says it is windows movie file - neither
> quicktime or graphic converter seem to be able to open it - do I need some
> special plug-in to open on a mac?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Neil

.wmv file format

[Neil Houghton]

downloaded a movie in .wmv format - says it is windows movie file - neither
quicktime or graphic converter seem to be able to open it - do I need some
special plug-in to open on a mac?

TIA

Neil
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Re: Help required [Scanned]

[Mark Secker]

I have run into a spot of both



When I try to connect to a particular mapped Windows directory on OSX I
get an error = -47. However if I connect to some other directory it
works perfectly fine...



I'm lost for words! Can someone tell me what "Error = -47" is?





error -47 used to mean file busy or locked but guess not under OSX

Anyway I'd check the permissions at the share point root.



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only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
man, but kept a child."

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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Help required [Scanned]

[Gaff, Warwick]

I have run into a spot of both



When I try to connect to a particular mapped Windows directory on OSX I
get an error = -47. However if I connect to some other directory it
works perfectly fine...



I'm lost for words! Can someone tell me what "Error = -47" is?



Regards



Warwick Gaff
IT Technician



Trinity College

Trinity Avenue, East Perth



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Fwd: AppleStore vs Reseller

[Glauert Familia]

I would by from anyone who has a inhouse technition, it is such a pain 
when they have to send it away.


Jonathan Glauert

Begin forwarded message:


From: "Antony N. Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 12:10:18 PM Australia/Perth
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Subject: AppleStore vs Reseller

I'm preparing to buy a new G4 - probably the dual 1.42GHz model.

Can anyone recommend pros / cons of using AppleStore versus an Apple 
Reseller?


Just thought I'd "test the waters" to see if anyone has some useful
experiences to go by...

Cheers, Antony.


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SonyEricsson T610

[Matthew Healey]

Looks like the T68i is no longer top of the food-chain...



Yes, it looks like it works with iSync.

All I can say is "how much" and "I want one".

- Matt

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Re: imac screen woes

[Mark Secker]

>Hi all,


I have a 400mHz iMac. On the weekend, I upgraded its RAM to 320MB and
installed OSX/OS9 on two partitions. No problems were encountered with this.

Two days later when I turn it on, the screen is either so dark that only the
slightest ghost of an image is seen, or on other occasions when I boot it
up, the screen is visible, but only in shades or green or, on one occasion,
red.

I've tried booting off OSX and OS9 CDs with the same results, so I am
assuming that this is a video hardware problem.

Should I toss it in the bin, or is it economically feasible to fix?

Thanks,

Andrew


Hi Andrew,

Did you perform a firmware update on the iMac before you installed OS
X? If not, see related articles to this problem in the WAMUG
archives.


I'd also strongly suggest opening the case and checking that all the 
cables are seated properly. A loose cable can work for a few 
minutes/hours/days/weeks then loose connection and having upgraded 
memory in more than 30 or 40 of these G3 iMacs I've seen similar 
effects caused by loose cables.



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the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Re: AppleStore vs Reseller

[Phillip McGree]

Buying from the AppleStore:
- gives money to a company that has no hesitation to crap all over it's 
resellers. We all love Apple, but quite frankly, they can be one of the most 
arrogant companies around. It is currently about three months since there was a 
reliable supply of LCD iMacs, PowerBooks, iPods and a bunch of other stuff.
- craps on the bloke who puts up his life savings (ie $200,000+), mortgages the 
family home, risks not having an income to feed his family, and risks losing it 
all anyway thanks to Apple's margin structure and refusal to guarantee regular 
stock.
- encourages Apple's price fixing (ie Apple cut reseller margins right back 
last year, so now there's no discounting because there's just no profit margin 
to discount on. Kind of makes the AppleStore a bit more competitive). Remember 
the old days when there was some range in pricing, instead of getting identical 
numbers at every place you go now? Look through a modern MacWorld magazine and 
all the prices are identical. A few years ago there was a range in pricing. It 
doesn't look like it from a buyer's point of view, but behind the scenes Apple 
has been making life real hard for resellers lately.
- sends money over east, out of Perth, and out of the local market.

Buying from an Apple reseller:
- means that he'll be there tomorrow. And maybe the next day. Possibly even 
next year!
- encourages the shop to have skilled staff, and to train and bring more staff 
into the industry. Hypothetically, if there were no skilled retail staff, then 
there'd be no local support, which would make the Apple platform extremely 
unattractive for a lot of buyers. The Apple platform needs every physical 
retail presence that it can get!
- gives the (small) profit to someone who's put in the enterprise and 
initiative to have a physical presence, so that you can pick up the Mac in 
person, and know that you're dealing with real live people who will be happy to 
hear from you again.
- means that you deal with real live humans. Humans that have feelings, 
emotions, and passions, the same as the buyer does. Luckily, not all humans are 
obsolete yet. Computers can be really interesting at times, but nothing beats 
dealing with a genuine live human, face to face.
- gives you a personal loyalty. If you buy from the right person, then that 
person will want to see you get the maximum use out of that purchase, and do 
whatever he/she can to ensure that. Personally, I regularly spend time with 
clients at minimal or no charge because I appreciate that because of that 
person's business in the past, I've had a roof over my head, and food on the 
table. No Ferrari yet though.
- keeps the money local. Keeps it in the same community, same city, in the same 
state.
- people go into business because they have a passion for the Apple platform. 
That passion deserves to be recognised and rewarded. Most of us involved in 
selling Apple stuff could make more money doing something else, and have much 
more career stability. The ongoing stress of trying to work out where next 
month's income is going to come from does get a bit weary after a while.

For anyone else out there thinking of buying a Mac via mail order, please 
consider all this stuff. You might think it's nice to have Apple shops around, 
but they need your business to exist and give you the option of seeing things 
in person. Sure, it's a nice novelty to buy something via mail order, but that 
purchase only harms local industry. A friend of mine owns a motorbike accessory 
shop, and it drives him mad when people come in and try things on and leave 
without buying anything, because he knows that all they are doing is 
ascertaining what sizes to get via mail order from his (eastern states) 
competition. Isn't fair on the guy that's made that investment and commitment 
to be there in person.


Regards,
Phil


>I'm preparing to buy a new G4 - probably the dual 1.42GHz model.
>
>Can anyone recommend pros / cons of using AppleStore versus an Apple Reseller?
>
>Just thought I'd "test the waters" to see if anyone has some useful
>experiences to go by...
>
>Cheers, Antony.
>


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FW: imac screen woes

[Gordon Morris]

-Original Message-
From: Gordon Morris 
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:53 PM
To: 'Rod'
Subject: RE: imac screen woes



-Original Message-
From: Rod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2003 12:39 PM
To: wamug@wamug.org.au
Subject: Re: imac screen woes


>Hi all,
>
>I have a 400mHz iMac. On the weekend, I upgraded its RAM to 320MB and
>installed OSX/OS9 on two partitions. No problems were encountered with 
>this.
>
>Two days later when I turn it on, the screen is either so dark that
>only the slightest ghost of an image is seen, or on other occasions 
>when I boot it up, the screen is visible, but only in shades or green 
>or, on one occasion, red.
>
>I've tried booting off OSX and OS9 CDs with the same results, so I am
>assuming that this is a video hardware problem.
>
>Should I toss it in the bin, or is it economically feasible to fix?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Andrew

Hi Andrew,

Did you perform a firmware update on the iMac before you installed OS 
X? If not, see related articles to this problem in the WAMUG 
archives.

Seeya

Rod!
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Oh yeah - check that firmware version - and don't forget to try an
external monitor too. Gordon

Re: iiSP Tech Support

[Meg Travers]

Nah, they still just tell you to go to your start menu ;-)

Cheers,
Meg


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> Just a matter of interest. I have heard that while they are useless at 
> standard modem connections they are however quite advanced in 
> broadband. This doesn't effect me but I'm curious to know if it is 
> true and maybe someone else will benefit from this knowledge.
> 
> > At last night's WAMUG meeting, ii recall something about someone 
> > calling a certain iiSP. ii have rung this iiSP myself on numerous 
> > occasions. They have regular failures and when ii call them ii net 
> > some pretty frustrating answers from them sometimes, and this cartoon 
> > does ring a bell or two:
> >
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Re: imac screen woes

[Rod]

Hi all,

I have a 400mHz iMac. On the weekend, I upgraded its RAM to 320MB and
installed OSX/OS9 on two partitions. No problems were encountered with this.

Two days later when I turn it on, the screen is either so dark that only the
slightest ghost of an image is seen, or on other occasions when I boot it
up, the screen is visible, but only in shades or green or, on one occasion,
red.

I've tried booting off OSX and OS9 CDs with the same results, so I am
assuming that this is a video hardware problem.

Should I toss it in the bin, or is it economically feasible to fix?

Thanks,

Andrew


Hi Andrew,

Did you perform a firmware update on the iMac before you installed OS 
X? If not, see related articles to this problem in the WAMUG 
archives.


Seeya

Rod!
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imac screen woes

[Andrew Schox]

Hi all,

I have a 400mHz iMac. On the weekend, I upgraded its RAM to 320MB and
installed OSX/OS9 on two partitions. No problems were encountered with this.

Two days later when I turn it on, the screen is either so dark that only the
slightest ghost of an image is seen, or on other occasions when I boot it
up, the screen is visible, but only in shades or green or, on one occasion,
red.

I've tried booting off OSX and OS9 CDs with the same results, so I am
assuming that this is a video hardware problem.

Should I toss it in the bin, or is it economically feasible to fix?

Thanks,

Andrew

Re: re Future Prize Draws

[Matthew Healey]

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 12:02 PM, KEVIN Lock wrote:


Why should I remain financial or "Bother" any more. Like many Country
members I feel badly let down by _ currant_ Office holders.



Oh come on now...Phil is entitled to have a little 'grape'.


Now thats funny!

- Matt

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re Future Prize Draws

[KEVIN Lock]

Why should I remain financial or "Bother" any more. Like many Country
members I feel badly let down by _ currant_ Office holders.



Oh come on now...Phil is entitled to have a little 'grape'.

KL

AppleStore vs Reseller

[Antony N. Lord]

I'm preparing to buy a new G4 - probably the dual 1.42GHz model.

Can anyone recommend pros / cons of using AppleStore versus an Apple Reseller?

Just thought I'd "test the waters" to see if anyone has some useful 
experiences to go by...


Cheers, Antony.


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Re: Future Prize Draws

[Matthew Healey]

On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:03 AM, Philip Trouchet wrote:


Why should I remain financial or "Bother" any more. Like many Country
members I feel badly let down by currant Office holders.


OK Philip, this is really starting to get old. Let me point out a few 
facts.


1. All the committee members give their time to WAMUG for free and 
have done for many years. None of us receive any financial reward for 
that.


2. Organizing a meeting is not an easy thing to do. We to work out 
what is available to us, as well as what members want to see and what 
we have already shown. It takes a committee meeting as well as a 
further 2 or 3 days of work to get everything sorted. Even more if it 
is a big event, such as the SonyEricsson demo last year.


3. We get very little feedback from members as to what they want to 
see or know about. A lot of the time, we are saved by a last minute 
product announcement.


That said, I haven't had any feedback from you in regards to what YOU 
want to see at the meetings. Likewise, I didn't see you at the AGM this 
month voicing your disapproval of the current committee. I also did see 
you standing for election. You seem to voice your concerns everywhere 
except were they count.


So, unless you are going to offer constructive ways to make things 
better for our country members, which includes letting us know what you 
want to see at the meetings, please kindly keep your mouth shut!


Finally, if you can't work out why you should "bother" any more, why do 
you a) keep complaining about the same things, and b)why are you still 
a member of this list?


- Matthew

Re: Future Prize Draws

[Rod]

> Hi Reubin, > Re your Suggestions.

I live 2 hours drive from Perth & have been a Financial member of
WAMUG for many years. Up to a few years ago Agenda for each meeting
was advised at least a week before meeting. If subjects of Interest
used to come to Perth, often with fellow country WAMugger for meal &
Meeting. Average about 5-6 a year. Always enjoyed, made many new
friends. Now a days notice before meeting if lucky. No time to
organise virtually a 5 to 6 hour round trip to perth.

A possible reason for lack of notification is that the content of the
night is often unknown until close to the meeting. It is hard for the
committee to know what to display because they don't get many
suggestions if any at all. In saying that I find it hard to think of
suggestions myself but this is not the committee's fault. Maybe as a
country user you will be able to think of some suggestions that may be
of interest to other country WAMUG members. I'm sure the committee
would be more than happy to explore suggestions from country members
and notify the content of the meeting if they had enough notice in
advance to the meeting.


I feel we have been over this same old ground many times before ;-)

I used to do the ROM many moons ago and found it difficult to send it 
out a week early, as some of the people that were lined up for the 
meeting would pull out at the last minute. When I did send it out 
early, nobody from the country came anyway!


Remember, meetings have always been the first Tuesday of every month 
(except January). The AGM has always been the first Tuesday of 
March. I am not sure if it has been updated yet for this year, but 
Matt provided an iCal calender for wamug, that shows exactly when 
every meeting is. Set an alarm a week before, and send a rocket up 
the committee if you don't know what is coming up. Being proactive 
does wonders!






Why should I remain financial or "Bother" any more. Like many Country
members I feel badly let down by currant Office holders.

I believe the committee is doing a good job as did everyone else who
attended the AGM because no-one there objected to any of the members
standing for committee again. If people had a problem with any
committee members they should have turned up to the AGM which was
notified by Email in advance.



I also remember suggesting a country member be part of the committee. 
With the advent of email, the member does not have to be at the 
committee meetings. For those who have time to send an email to the 
list, they have time to send out an agenda set by the committee two 
weeks before the meeting.





Prizes now seem to go to privileged few in charge. "Phooey"! TIA.
Ciao > Philip.

I am at most meetings and witness prize draws and I can personally say
that they are completely random. If any prizes go to anyone that is on
the committee then this occurs completely by chance. Remember that
they are WAMUG members too and are just as entitled to win prizes as
other members.


The iPod in this year's draw was won by a non-committe member, who 
has been a long standing contributor to the list (I won't mention 
his/her name until the committee announces the winners on the list). 
The winner of the iBook last year, Frank Ashford, has never been a 
committee member.


What stinks is being a reseller and not being able to win prizes! 
;-) (Of course there is no sour grapes :-)


Seeya

Rod!
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Wintel go's Cube

[Mark Secker]

http://www.chyangfun.com/Product/CF-S968.htm

next week, the wintel iMac ;)

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"... the pupil is never educated to the degree of consciousness, but 
only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
man, but kept a child."

Henry David Thoreau

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Future prize draws

[Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin]

On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 17:50 Asia/Dubai, Dark Servant wrote:

> Just a few rules that I think should apply to all prize draws
>
> 1. You must be a financial member before the prize draw

This is already the case I believe.
>
> 2. You must be at a present at the meeting to win

Rather unfair to country and overseas financial members.
>
> 3. If you win a prize that you are not going to use very often or at
> all then you should decline the prize and allow a redraw for someone
> who will benefit from it (selling prizes is not classed as benefiting
> under this rule)

Surely the personal choice of the winner but a nice idea.

Wendy

Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
Coastal Road, Pomponette
Mauritius Island
Tel/ans/fax (230) 6257399
Mobile (230) 2560182


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Re: Future Prize Draws

[Dark Servant]

Hi Reubin, > Re your Suggestions.
I live 2 hours drive from Perth & have been a Financial member of 
WAMUG for many years. Up to a few years ago Agenda for each meeting 
was advised at least a week before meeting. If subjects of Interest 
used to come to Perth, often with fellow country WAMugger for meal & 
Meeting. Average about 5-6 a year. Always enjoyed, made many new 
friends. Now a days notice before meeting if lucky. No time to 
organise virtually a 5 to 6 hour round trip to perth.
A possible reason for lack of notification is that the content of the 
night is often unknown until close to the meeting. It is hard for the 
committee to know what to display because they don't get many 
suggestions if any at all. In saying that I find it hard to think of 
suggestions myself but this is not the committee's fault. Maybe as a 
country user you will be able to think of some suggestions that may be 
of interest to other country WAMUG members. I'm sure the committee 
would be more than happy to explore suggestions from country members 
and notify the content of the meeting if they had enough notice in 
advance to the meeting.



Why should I remain financial or "Bother" any more. Like many Country 
members I feel badly let down by currant Office holders.
I believe the committee is doing a good job as did everyone else who 
attended the AGM because no-one there objected to any of the members 
standing for committee again. If people had a problem with any 
committee members they should have turned up to the AGM which was 
notified by Email in advance.



Prizes now seem to go to privileged few in charge. "Phooey"! TIA.
Ciao > Philip.
I am at most meetings and witness prize draws and I can personally say 
that they are completely random. If any prizes go to anyone that is on 
the committee then this occurs completely by chance. Remember that 
they are WAMUG members too and are just as entitled to win prizes as 
other members.


Ruben A. Franke

Re: iiSP Tech Support

[Dark Servant]

Just a matter of interest. I have heard that while they are useless at 
standard modem connections they are however quite advanced in 
broadband. This doesn't effect me but I'm curious to know if it is 
true and maybe someone else will benefit from this knowledge.


At last night's WAMUG meeting, ii recall something about someone 
calling a certain iiSP. ii have rung this iiSP myself on numerous 
occasions. They have regular failures and when ii call them ii net 
some pretty frustrating answers from them sometimes, and this cartoon 
does ring a bell or two:








Rgds,
Phil








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Re: iiSP Tech Support

[Ken Woods]

On 4/3/03 11:32 PM, "Phillip McGree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At last night's WAMUG meeting, ii recall something about someone calling a
> certain iiSP. ii have rung this iiSP myself on numerous occasions. They have
> regular failures and when ii call them ii net some pretty frustrating answers
> from them sometimes, and this cartoon does ring a bell or two:
> 
>  .gif>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rgds,
> Phil
> 
>ii totally agree, if the cap fits
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> .

Re: Future Prize Draws

[Dark Servant]

On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 09:50 PM, Dark Servant wrote:


Just a few rules that I think should apply to all prize draws

1. You must be a financial member before the prize draw

This is already the case for major prizes...
Is there any reason why it can not apply to all prizes throughout the 
year. I remember that people were able to join up last year after 
winning a prize. The committee may have changed this already though.



2. You must be at a present at the meeting to win


This is unfair to our country members, which I why you did not need to
be at the meeting to be eligible for the major prize.
I stand corrected on this one. As a city member it did not even occur 
to me that we had country members.



3. If you win a prize that you are not going to use very often or at
all then you should decline the prize and allow a redraw for someone
who will benefit from it (selling prizes is not classed as benefiting
under this rule)


This is a case for morality, and possibly not really the scope of this
list. If you win the prize, then well done. If you win the prize and
know you are never going to use it, then act of giving it back is
completely up to you
I know that it is impossible to make a rule like this. I meant for 
this one to be more of a guideline (like the mail guidelines). Of 
course this would still be up to the individual even if WAMUG 
encouraged it but I will never accept a prize that I am not going to 
use.


Ruben A. Franke

looking for empty Apple G3 or G4 tower

[Mark Secker]

I'm looking for an empty/gutted Apple G3 B&W tower (Blue&White) or G4 
tower, condition is not too important except no cracks through case 
and side hinge/latch should work. Willing to negotiate a price based 
on condition.


Else - does anybody know which shop fitting companies supply these 
products to places like Ikia and Freedom and what they do with their 
old Mac cases?



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"... the pupil is never educated to the degree of consciousness, but 
only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
man, but kept a child."

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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Re: Future Prize Draws

[Daniel]

On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 09:50 PM, Dark Servant wrote:


Just a few rules that I think should apply to all prize draws

1. You must be a financial member before the prize draw


This is already the case for major prizes...


2. You must be at a present at the meeting to win


This is unfair to our country members, which I why you did not need to
be at the meeting to be eligible for the major prize.


3. If you win a prize that you are not going to use very often or at
all then you should decline the prize and allow a redraw for someone
who will benefit from it (selling prizes is not classed as benefiting
under this rule)


This is a case for morality, and possibly not really the scope of this
list. If you win the prize, then well done. If you win the prize and
know you are never going to use it, then act of giving it back is
completely up to you.

- Matt



Hear Hear. I second that.

Regards
Daniel Kerr

Re: Future Prize Draws

[Matthew Healey]

On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 09:50 PM, Dark Servant wrote:


Just a few rules that I think should apply to all prize draws

1. You must be a financial member before the prize draw


This is already the case for major prizes...


2. You must be at a present at the meeting to win


This is unfair to our country members, which I why you did not need to 
be at the meeting to be eligible for the major prize.



3. If you win a prize that you are not going to use very often or at
all then you should decline the prize and allow a redraw for someone
who will benefit from it (selling prizes is not classed as benefiting
under this rule)


This is a case for morality, and possibly not really the scope of this 
list. If you win the prize, then well done. If you win the prize and 
know you are never going to use it, then act of giving it back is 
completely up to you.


- Matt

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[4Sale] Various Items

[Daniel]

Hi All

I have for sale the following items. If you are interested in 
anything listed below please feel free to email me or call me on 0414 
795 960.


Thanks for looking!!

Kind Regards
Daniel Kerr



PowerMac 7300
180MHz
80MB RAM
1.2GB Hard Drive
CD-ROM
Keyboard and Mouse
No Monitor
***Asking price is $125***


Apple 17" CRT Graphite Monitor.
These are the ones that have a Trinitron screen, the "spider" feet
under the bottom, VGA Connection and look really cool! It is in
excellent condition!
***Offers***


Handspring Visor Deluxe
(like a Palm- runs Palm OS)
8MB Memory, can hold 12,000 address, 10 years of appointments, plus lots more.
Hotsync's with Mac or PC via supplied cradle or built in IR
Excellent condition, with software and box.
***Reasonable Offers***



More stuff,...
IDE 100MB Internal Zip Drive with G4 Bezel - ***$50***
24x IDE CD drive from a Beige G3 if any one needs one. ***$10***
100MHz Processor Card from a 7200 - **???**
RagePro128 16MB AGP Graphics Card - ***Offers***
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Apple and the war

[Paul Weaver]

Maybe some on the list have seen the satirical website The Onion? The
latest vestion has an amusing mention of IPods at
http://www.theonion.com/onion3908/bush_offers_taxpayers.html

Regards, Paul