New iMacs and Macmini

[Stuart Evans]

Hi all,

Apple introduced some fantastic product updates overnight, including  updated 
17” and 20" iMacs and an all new 24" iMac.

New iMacs feature Intel Core 2 Duo - 64bit, 65 nanometer dual core processors 
with 128-bit SSE3 vector engine.

The Macmini was also updated - 2 configurations, the entry now a Core Duo 
1.66Ghz processor, the top model a 1.83Ghz Core Duo processor.

The 24” iMac looks great!

Stuart Evans
AppleCentre Albany
(08) 9842 9660

Stuart Evans
T4 Technology
0428 184 818

Re Printing upside down

[Ian Reid]

Many thanks to all who sent suggestions. They will be useful.

I also need to send a quiz by email and to stop skilled, upside-down 
readers, like me, cheating, I propose to put the answers in an 
attachment. A forlorn hope really. Maybe I should string the answers 
into a giant password needed to open the attachment!



Ian

Multifunction recommendations?

[Shay Telfer]

Hi...

Anyone got a recommendation for a multifunction 
printer/scanner/copier? Needs to be a laser printer rather than 
inkjet.


Any to avoid?

Thanks,
Shay
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 Opinions for hire  [POQ] of others; the love of power is
 http://newtonslore.com/fnord the love of ourselves - Hazlitt

Re: Imac's and Macmin's update

[Martin Hill]

Ha! I was wondering if any of the rumours were true.

And of course the Mac Mini we ordered arrived today!   D-oh!

-Mart
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> From: Daniel Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:12:25 +0800
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Imac's and Macmin's update
> 
> Hi All
> 
> The iMac and Mac mini have just been updated.
> There is now a cheaper entry level iMac and a new 24" Widescreen iMac! Nice!
> You can also check out 
> 
> Specs and pricing as follows:-
> 
> *** iMac *** 
> 
> 
> 17-inch widescreen LCD - $1549
> 1440x900 resolution
> 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
> 2MB shared L2 cache
> 512MB memory (2x256MB SO-DIMM)
> 160GB Serial ATA hard drive2
> 24x Combo Drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)
> Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64MB of shared memory
> 
> 
> 17-inch widescreen LCD - $1849
> 1440x900 resolution
> 2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
> 4MB shared L2 cache
> 1GB memory (2x512MB SO-DIMM)
> 160GB Serial ATA hard drive2
> 8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
> ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory
> Bluetooth 2.0
> Apple Remote
> 
>  
> 20-inch widescreen LCD - $2299
> 1680x1050 resolution
> 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
> 4MB shared L2 cache
> 1GB memory (2x512MB SO-DIMM)
> 250GB Serial ATA hard drive2
> 8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
> ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory
> Bluetooth 2.0
> Apple Remote
> 
>  
> 24-inch widescreen LCD - $2999
> 1920x1200 resolution
> 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
> 4MB shared L2 cache
> 1GB memory (2x512MB SO-DIMM)
> 250GB Serial ATA hard drive2
> 8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
> NVIDIA GeForce 7300GT with 128MB GDDR3 memory
> Bluetooth 2.0
> Apple Remote
> 
> 
> *** Mac mini ***
> 
> 
> 1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor - $949
> 2MB L2 Cache
> 667MHz Frontside Bus
> 512MB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)
> 60GB Serial ATA hard drive¹
> Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
> Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
> Apple Remote
> 
> 
> 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor - $1249
> 2MB L2 Cache
> 667MHz Frontside Bus
> 512MB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)
> 80GB Serial ATA hard drive¹
> Double-layer SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
> Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
> Apple Remote
> 
> 
> So all Core 2 Duo in the iMac's now and All Core Duo in the Mac mini.
> Not too bad.
> The new price on the iMac is good if you want something all in one and don't
> need all the bells and whistles. At $1549!
> 
> 
> Enjoy!!
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel Kerr
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Macintosh**
> 
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Imac's and Macmin's update

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi All

The iMac and Mac mini have just been updated.
There is now a cheaper entry level iMac and a new 24" Widescreen iMac! Nice!
You can also check out 

Specs and pricing as follows:-

*** iMac *** 


17-inch widescreen LCD - $1549
1440x900 resolution
1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
2MB shared L2 cache
512MB memory (2x256MB SO-DIMM)
160GB Serial ATA hard drive2
24x Combo Drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)
Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64MB of shared memory


17-inch widescreen LCD - $1849
1440x900 resolution
2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
4MB shared L2 cache
1GB memory (2x512MB SO-DIMM)
160GB Serial ATA hard drive2
8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory
Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote

 
20-inch widescreen LCD - $2299
1680x1050 resolution
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
4MB shared L2 cache
1GB memory (2x512MB SO-DIMM)
250GB Serial ATA hard drive2
8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory
Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote

 
24-inch widescreen LCD - $2999
1920x1200 resolution
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor1
4MB shared L2 cache
1GB memory (2x512MB SO-DIMM)
250GB Serial ATA hard drive2
8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
NVIDIA GeForce 7300GT with 128MB GDDR3 memory
Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote


*** Mac mini ***


1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor - $949
2MB L2 Cache
667MHz Frontside Bus
512MB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)
60GB Serial ATA hard drive¹
Combo drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote


1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor - $1249
2MB L2 Cache
667MHz Frontside Bus
512MB memory (667MHz DDR2 SDRAM)
80GB Serial ATA hard drive¹
Double-layer SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote


So all Core 2 Duo in the iMac's now and All Core Duo in the Mac mini.
Not too bad.
The new price on the iMac is good if you want something all in one and don't
need all the bells and whistles. At $1549!


Enjoy!!

Kind regards
Daniel Kerr
---
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MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: 
Web:   


**For everything Macintosh**

MS Producer to Useable Media Files

[Reg Whitely]

Dear WAMUGgers

What can you tell me about about MS Producer in Windows? Some of our  
kids have produced their science procedures using it, converting  
PowerPoints,  and I hoped we could convert their presentations to  
'podcast/vodcast' format, but we can't "Save As" to anything other  
than html, which then won't open on my PowerBook. In Camino/Safari it  
says I need IE5 but when I open in that, only a blank page on the  
PowerBook. I've just cranked up VPC7 with IE 6 and it shows a still  
image with a movie control panel which doesn't work.


Can Producer be set to convert the file to a different format, such  
as .mov, .wav etc so I can convert it to a podcast/vodcast, or do we  
need to go back to PowerPoint  and export another way?


Incidentally I found that converting Ppt to .mov on my PowerBook is  
crappy, with no audio, but if I import Ppt into Keynote, then export  
to .mov, it runs beautifully. Any ideas?


Regards

Reg

Re: Problems Burning iDVD

[Stephen Chape]

Hello Rod,

Did you change anything (do any more editing) after you set the  
chapter markers.
I have found that you MUST leave the chapter markers until the very  
last thing.
If I must chasnge something after I have set them, I then delete them  
all and set them again.


On 06/09/2006, at 12:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have aNn iDVD project of the school "Idol" concert, total 76 mins.
4 iMovies each with chapter markers leading to each act.

On my mac it works fine in iDVD.
The scene selection buttons go straight to the correct scenes, BUT  
after
burning, the resultant DVD scene selections are jumbled and often  
don't go to

the correct scene. Burning took 4 hours on a G5iMac with 2 GB RAM.

I re-burnt the dvd and got some errors midway through the burn.

Any help would be apreciated please.

ta
Rod Blitvich



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Stephen Chape

Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......- by Daniel Kerr

[Daniel Kerr]

On 6/9/06 4:42 PM, "Ian Conaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Daniel,
> 
> I've told you before about smoking those funny cigarettes.
> 
> Cheers :-D
> 
> Ian
> 

OK, to answer some of the questions :o)

No Ian, can't say that was it,..in fact I've never actually smoked anything
in my live :o) I'll put it down to lack of sleep and too many "V" drinks.
;o)



On 6/9/06 2:09 PM, "Neil Houghton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You have to try it, don't you!!
> 
> I'm still trying to imagine just how Daniel noticed this!
> 
> Have fun.
> 
> Neil 

On 6/9/06 1:31 AM, "Wendy S. Austin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes okay Daniel, curiously, I did try it on my PowerBook .
> 
> Of course I must ask, why did you do this in the first place??
> 
> Wendy


Yes Neil and Wendy,..you do have to try it.
I stumbled across it while I was looking to see if any new laptops were
coming. I then saw something about "Strange Keyboard Behaviour" and thought
it was tech related, so had a read. Then I did the same as a lot of you.
Sat there thinking,.."nah it's a joke", So I didn't do it. For the next
15minutes it keep nagging at me,..so before long,..yes I tried it.
It's a bit like that "What ever you do, don't open that parcel / door /
envelope / present." It just weighs on your mind until you really
contemplate doing it. :o)
So, after trying it, I thought I'd pass it on to see how many other people
would be "interested". :o) (That I wanted to see what response Ronni would
come up with) :o)



So there you go. :o)
I also thought it might be something that wasn't expected of me to post to
the list. :o)
See, I can come up with some silly things sometimes. ;o)

Got a few people thinking though,..which is good.

Hope everyone enjoyed it.

Kind Regards
Daniel
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Email: 
Web:   


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Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Ian Conaghan]

Daniel,

I've told you before about smoking those funny cigarettes.

Cheers :-D

Ian

Re: Apple Discriminates against Australians Article

[Steven]

Similar story to when I had a dodgy shift key on my iBook keyboard.

The Apple Centre agreed that it was a warranty issue and that a replacement
keyboard was the answer. However, the keyboard had to be ordered, and that
would take a few days. But could I take the iBook away with me, and return
it within half an hour of being notified that the keyboard had arrived? No.
Why? Apple policy apparently. So I had to go without the iBook for a week or
so.

Don't know where the logic and customer-focus lies in that little
arrangement.

Steven


On 6/9/06 4:44 PM, "Martin Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, it looks like news of how Apple is handling the battery recall here in
> Australia is making the news.  It will be interesting to see if the bad
> publicity results in a change to Apple Australia's Battery Recall policy.
> 
> -Mart
> 
> ---
> 
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34153
> 
> Apple discriminates against Australians
> 
> Neglignet recall behaviour down under
> 
> By Charlie Demerjian
> 
> Tuesday 05 September 2006, 15:29
> 
> APPLE APPEARS TO BE DISCRIMINATING against customers in Australia over the
> battery recall  .
> 
> There is no excuse for the behavior it is showing, it sold them defective
> products, and now will not fix the problems in the same way as they do US
> customers. 
> 
> If you live in the US, they will mail you a new battery ASAP, Australia,
> find a dealer, bring it in, wait a few weeks, and have a g'day mate, hope it
> doesn't explode before you get it here.
> 
> Take a look at these screenshots, taken just before midnight PST on Monday
> September 4th. The first shows where the battery recall screen takes you if
> you are in the US, the second if you have the misfortune of being
> Australian, and possibly a resident of several other countries.
> 
> US
> 
> Australia
> 
> If you are in the US, you\re asked for your shipping info, and send you a
> new one with a mailer for the old one in short order. From what I understand
> it now pretty efficient about it, even after a few early teething problems
>  . Either way, you
> get the new one before you have to return the old.
> 
> That is the US though, in Australia, you appear to have big problems. The
> same screen takes you to a service centre locater where you are supposed to
> find your nearest dealer and bring the batteries there. According to the FAQ
>  , you will
> get a new one in four to six weeks, maybe, with no battery to use in the
> mean time.
> 
> Our source in Australia called Apple to confirm this was indeed the case,
> and was told he would have to make two trips to an Apple service centre to
> resolve the problem, presumably one to drop the battery off, another to pick
> up the replacement a month later. Considering the geography of Australia,
> this can be a less than appealing proposition for many Apple customers down
> under, and to add insult to injury, our intrepid correspondent does not have
> a car available.
> 
> Does it get worse? Of course. The same person has a wife who unfortunately
> had a recalled MacPro battery in the last round. Guess what they did then?
> No points if you say they mailed out a battery, that is indeed the case.
> 
> Apple was notified of this problem by the affected person on August 25, and
> more than a week later, there is no resolution. The local Apple dealer has
> indicated that he will help our correspondent, but that is just the kindness
> of a local dealer, not company policy.
> 
> What we have here is a large company that sold a dangerous defective
> product, and will not take appropriate action to resolve these problems. The
> fact that Apple do take the appropriate action in the US, and they did it
> before in Australia says it has the capabilities, the infrastructure, and
> the ability to do so again. For some reason, Apple is abdicating
> responsibility this time.
> 
> If they make it easy, like they do in the US, people will be much more
> likely to exchange these hazardous batteries. If they make the cost of doing
> so 3/4s the cost of a new battery, the two taxi trips will cost the letter
> writer $150AU, a new battery is $199AU, then what are the odds that it will
> happen?
> 
> Much as I hate to say it, this is the reason class action lawsuits are born,
> and while lawyers are icky, they do serve a purpose on occasion. Apple has
> shown the capability to fix the problem, was warned over a week ago, and has
> made other changes to the site in the mean time. Complex web sites do not
> get set up on their own, nor do dealers get informed of company policy.
> 
> This needs to change, and change now. As always, my email is at the top of
> the page, if you are serious about fixing the problems you caused Apple, I
> can put you in touch with one of the affected i

Re: Apple Discriminates against Australians Article

[Warren Jones]

To all you diggers, this is now on Digg. Please go and digg it -  
hopefully it will get some publicity if it hits the main page.


http://digg.com/tech_news/Apple_discriminates_against_Australians




On 06/09/2006, at 2:44 PM, Martin Hill wrote:

Well, it looks like news of how Apple is handling the battery  
recall here in
Australia is making the news.  It will be interesting to see if the  
bad
publicity results in a change to Apple Australia's Battery Recall  
policy.


-Mart

---

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34153

Apple discriminates against Australians

Neglignet recall behaviour down under

By Charlie Demerjian

Tuesday 05 September 2006, 15:29

APPLE APPEARS TO BE DISCRIMINATING against customers in Australia  
over the
battery recall  .


There is no excuse for the behavior it is showing, it sold them  
defective
products, and now will not fix the problems in the same way as they  
do US

customers.

If you live in the US, they will mail you a new battery ASAP,  
Australia,
find a dealer, bring it in, wait a few weeks, and have a g'day  
mate, hope it

doesn't explode before you get it here.

Take a look at these screenshots, taken just before midnight PST on  
Monday
September 4th. The first shows where the battery recall screen  
takes you if

you are in the US, the second if you have the misfortune of being
Australian, and possibly a resident of several other countries.

US

Australia

If you are in the US, you\re asked for your shipping info, and send  
you a
new one with a mailer for the old one in short order. From what I  
understand
it now pretty efficient about it, even after a few early teething  
problems
 . Either  
way, you

get the new one before you have to return the old.

That is the US though, in Australia, you appear to have big  
problems. The
same screen takes you to a service centre locater where you are  
supposed to
find your nearest dealer and bring the batteries there. According  
to the FAQ
 ,  
you will
get a new one in four to six weeks, maybe, with no battery to use  
in the

mean time.

Our source in Australia called Apple to confirm this was indeed the  
case,
and was told he would have to make two trips to an Apple service  
centre to
resolve the problem, presumably one to drop the battery off,  
another to pick
up the replacement a month later. Considering the geography of  
Australia,
this can be a less than appealing proposition for many Apple  
customers down
under, and to add insult to injury, our intrepid correspondent does  
not have

a car available.

Does it get worse? Of course. The same person has a wife who  
unfortunately
had a recalled MacPro battery in the last round. Guess what they  
did then?
No points if you say they mailed out a battery, that is indeed the  
case.


Apple was notified of this problem by the affected person on August  
25, and
more than a week later, there is no resolution. The local Apple  
dealer has
indicated that he will help our correspondent, but that is just the  
kindness

of a local dealer, not company policy.

What we have here is a large company that sold a dangerous defective
product, and will not take appropriate action to resolve these  
problems. The
fact that Apple do take the appropriate action in the US, and they  
did it
before in Australia says it has the capabilities, the  
infrastructure, and

the ability to do so again. For some reason, Apple is abdicating
responsibility this time.

If they make it easy, like they do in the US, people will be much more
likely to exchange these hazardous batteries. If they make the cost  
of doing
so 3/4s the cost of a new battery, the two taxi trips will cost the  
letter
writer $150AU, a new battery is $199AU, then what are the odds that  
it will

happen?

Much as I hate to say it, this is the reason class action lawsuits  
are born,
and while lawyers are icky, they do serve a purpose on occasion.  
Apple has
shown the capability to fix the problem, was warned over a week  
ago, and has
made other changes to the site in the mean time. Complex web sites  
do not
get set up on their own, nor do dealers get informed of company  
policy.


This needs to change, and change now. As always, my email is at the  
top of
the page, if you are serious about fixing the problems you caused  
Apple, I
can put you in touch with one of the affected individuals. That  
said, you
could just respond to the emails he sent you notifying you of the  
problem,
it would be much easier and less embarrassing. Better yet, Apple  
could have

acted responsibly from day one



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re Strictly confidential!

[KEVIN Lock]

Sorry folks that post was meant for WAScamnet. :-[

Kev

Re: Apple Discriminates against Australians Article

[Rod]

On Wed, 2006-09-06 at 14:44 +0800, Martin Hill wrote:
> Well, it looks like news of how Apple is handling the battery recall here in
> Australia is making the news.  It will be interesting to see if the bad
> publicity results in a change to Apple Australia's Battery Recall policy.
> 
> -Mart
> 
> ---
> 
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34153
> 
> Apple discriminates against Australians

I have to say that is pretty disgraceful from Apple Australia.  The only
reason I think they are doing it this way is to stall for time.  I'd say
there are not enough batteries to go round for the whole world, so we
get dealt a rough deal so everyone else can get their batteries ASAP.  I
wouldn't mind betting that the batteries that are being sent back are
sent to Sony, refitted with new cells, then sent back to Australia.
That would explain the 4-6 week turnaround :-)

I could really imagine an executive going 6 weeks without a battery in
his or her laptop.

I can't imagine there will be a turn around on the policy.  There would
be a number of very ticked off people that have given up their battery
and are waiting for a new one, only to find Apple have had a change of
heart and now will send out a new one Next Day for all new replacement
orders.

Seeya

Rod!

Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Wendy S. Austin]

Susan, thanks for this, it is hilarious.   The strange thing is  
though, that many of the 'curiosities' that come up with my name,  
could almost be true!


Wendy

On 06 Sep 2006, at 05:23, Susan Hastings wrote:

I read some other postings by the person who explained about the  
keyboards, and came across a funny Google trick, to type  
"unfortunately," followed by your name - you get such curiosities as:


 Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
Coastal Road
Pomponette via Surinam
Mauritius Island
tel/ans/fax: +2306257399
iChat/MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Apple Discriminates against Australians Article

[Martin Hill]

Well, it looks like news of how Apple is handling the battery recall here in
Australia is making the news.  It will be interesting to see if the bad
publicity results in a change to Apple Australia's Battery Recall policy.

-Mart

---

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34153

Apple discriminates against Australians

Neglignet recall behaviour down under

By Charlie Demerjian

Tuesday 05 September 2006, 15:29

APPLE APPEARS TO BE DISCRIMINATING against customers in Australia over the
battery recall  .

There is no excuse for the behavior it is showing, it sold them defective
products, and now will not fix the problems in the same way as they do US
customers. 

If you live in the US, they will mail you a new battery ASAP, Australia,
find a dealer, bring it in, wait a few weeks, and have a g'day mate, hope it
doesn't explode before you get it here.

Take a look at these screenshots, taken just before midnight PST on Monday
September 4th. The first shows where the battery recall screen takes you if
you are in the US, the second if you have the misfortune of being
Australian, and possibly a resident of several other countries.

US

Australia

If you are in the US, you\re asked for your shipping info, and send you a
new one with a mailer for the old one in short order. From what I understand
it now pretty efficient about it, even after a few early teething problems
 . Either way, you
get the new one before you have to return the old.

That is the US though, in Australia, you appear to have big problems. The
same screen takes you to a service centre locater where you are supposed to
find your nearest dealer and bring the batteries there. According to the FAQ
 , you will
get a new one in four to six weeks, maybe, with no battery to use in the
mean time.

Our source in Australia called Apple to confirm this was indeed the case,
and was told he would have to make two trips to an Apple service centre to
resolve the problem, presumably one to drop the battery off, another to pick
up the replacement a month later. Considering the geography of Australia,
this can be a less than appealing proposition for many Apple customers down
under, and to add insult to injury, our intrepid correspondent does not have
a car available.

Does it get worse? Of course. The same person has a wife who unfortunately
had a recalled MacPro battery in the last round. Guess what they did then?
No points if you say they mailed out a battery, that is indeed the case.

Apple was notified of this problem by the affected person on August 25, and
more than a week later, there is no resolution. The local Apple dealer has
indicated that he will help our correspondent, but that is just the kindness
of a local dealer, not company policy.

What we have here is a large company that sold a dangerous defective
product, and will not take appropriate action to resolve these problems. The
fact that Apple do take the appropriate action in the US, and they did it
before in Australia says it has the capabilities, the infrastructure, and
the ability to do so again. For some reason, Apple is abdicating
responsibility this time.

If they make it easy, like they do in the US, people will be much more
likely to exchange these hazardous batteries. If they make the cost of doing
so 3/4s the cost of a new battery, the two taxi trips will cost the letter
writer $150AU, a new battery is $199AU, then what are the odds that it will
happen?

Much as I hate to say it, this is the reason class action lawsuits are born,
and while lawyers are icky, they do serve a purpose on occasion. Apple has
shown the capability to fix the problem, was warned over a week ago, and has
made other changes to the site in the mean time. Complex web sites do not
get set up on their own, nor do dealers get informed of company policy.

This needs to change, and change now. As always, my email is at the top of
the page, if you are serious about fixing the problems you caused Apple, I
can put you in touch with one of the affected individuals. That said, you
could just respond to the emails he sent you notifying you of the problem,
it would be much easier and less embarrassing. Better yet, Apple could have
acted responsibly from day one



--
Martin Hill
email: mart "at" ozmac.com
homepages: http://mart.ozmac.com
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Re: Completely off Topic - by Daniel Kerr

[Neil Houghton]

I notice that Keyboard Viewer just shows the normal (shifted) characters
whether one or both shift keys are pressed. Wouldn't this tend to confirm
that it is a hardware issue (as indicated by earlier posts).

Cheers

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on 6/9/06 12:35 PM, James Devenish at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I lost track of whether this issue is with the Mac OS software or with
> the keyboard hardware. Firstly, note that Macs and Mac keyboards are
> happy with three or more keys pressed -- this is in evidence with
> games (multi-key play) and GarageBand (multi-key chords). So, the
> 'missing key' issue specifically relates to the use of the 'modifier
> keys' (i.e., shift, option, etc.). And if you hold down both Option
> keys, you may find a different set of keys than with both Shift keys
> held down. So, perhaps the alphabet has "robust" circuitry while the
> modifier keys have "quick-and-dirty" circuity? Seems odd, so maybe
> there is another explanation?
> 
> James.
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Re: Funny WoW Movie

[Mark Secker]

LOL
ROFL
and all that nerd talk

h maybe I should level up my Troll Shaman :P

For those of you that play world of warcraft and remember the switch 
over from windows to mac adverts this should be funny.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mD1n4v2JA

Ruben A Franke

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Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Neil Houghton]

You have to try it, don't you!!

1) as previously noted top row Q to P missing - as is { but not }

2) on keypad (really stretch those fingers!) row 456+ disappears

3) also on keypad 0 disappears

I'm still trying to imagine just how Daniel noticed this!

Have fun.

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on 5/9/06 11:38 PM, Daniel Kerr at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too hard,..or
> both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be bothered)
> explain the following to me,
> 
> Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole alphabet
> anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
> (OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)
> 
> On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
> On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
> ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ
> 
> So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing socks in the
> washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't seem to all
> come out.
> 
> 
> Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are reading this
> and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get the better
> of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh at me).
> But I think it's strange
> OK,. maybe it has been a long day..
> 
> 
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> Daniel
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[Dark1]

For those of you that play world of warcraft and remember the switch  
over from windows to mac adverts this should be funny.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mD1n4v2JA

Ruben A Franke

Re: Problems Burning iDVD

[Ronda Brown]

On 06/09/2006, at 12:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have aNn iDVD project of the school "Idol" concert, total 76 mins.
4 iMovies each with chapter markers leading to each act.

On my mac it works fine in iDVD.
The scene selection buttons go straight to the correct scenes, BUT  
after
burning, the resultant DVD scene selections are jumbled and often  
don't go to

the correct scene. Burning took 4 hours on a G5iMac with 2 GB RAM.


Hi Rod,

Make sure your buttons are not at all crowded.
They are in reality a bit bigger than they appear on the screen.

Also check your project in map view to see if it is mixed up on other  
menu pages.


Cheers,
Ronni

Problems Burning iDVD

[rblit]

I have aNn iDVD project of the school "Idol" concert, total 76 mins.
4 iMovies each with chapter markers leading to each act.

On my mac it works fine in iDVD.
The scene selection buttons go straight to the correct scenes, BUT after
burning, the resultant DVD scene selections are jumbled and often don't go to
the correct scene. Burning took 4 hours on a G5iMac with 2 GB RAM.

I re-burnt the dvd and got some errors midway through the burn.

Any help would be apreciated please.

ta
Rod Blitvich

Re: Re: Completely off Topic - by Daniel Kerr

[James Devenish]

Hi,

I lost track of whether this issue is with the Mac OS software or with
the keyboard hardware. Firstly, note that Macs and Mac keyboards are
happy with three or more keys pressed -- this is in evidence with
games (multi-key play) and GarageBand (multi-key chords). So, the
'missing key' issue specifically relates to the use of the 'modifier
keys' (i.e., shift, option, etc.). And if you hold down both Option
keys, you may find a different set of keys than with both Shift keys
held down. So, perhaps the alphabet has "robust" circuitry while the
modifier keys have "quick-and-dirty" circuity? Seems odd, so maybe
there is another explanation?

James.

Re: EPS to JPG/GIF

[Eugene]

David,

Have you tried Graphics Converter's 'Convert and Modify' option under  
the File menu? It will do batch editing and has many other options.


Only problem could be that you might have to have the registered  
version to do a batch, at least that was the situation a few years ago.


Otherwise Automator will do it but this is only if you are familiar  
with using it.


  Regards,
  Eugene


On 06/09/2006, at 11:21 AM, David Moyle wrote:


Hey

Is there anyway out there I can get a lot of EPS files in
sub-directories and convert them to JPG or GIF format in a batch
process? Free of course.

Thanks all!
Thanks, David Moyle

Manjimup, WA
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EPS to JPG/GIF

[David Moyle]

Hey

Is there anyway out there I can get a lot of EPS files in
sub-directories and convert them to JPG or GIF format in a batch
process? Free of course.

Thanks all!
Thanks, David Moyle

Manjimup, WA
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Cross Platform iPod

[Antony N. Lord]

I read on several sites that the more recent iPods should already be 
formatted Fat32 'out of the box' so they can be used on both Windows 
/ Mac machines.


I can say this certainly isn't the case on my video iPod!

Sigh - I'll just have to reformat it and copy everything back.

Cheers, Anton.

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Re : CD Spin Doctor .. Problem solved .

[Robert Howells]

Problem Solved :

Simple really   I had 2 versions of  Toast still in the 
Applications folder .


You know the story .. hang onto the old until your happy with the new 
.


So finally trashed the old Toast and CD Spin Doctor works.  It 
obviously kept finding the old version first

but needed the new version to work ..

Thanks for the feed back from List .


Bob

Re: Completely off Topic - by Daniel Kerr

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Guys,

From my previous email on this 'subject' ;-)

This Article explains about 'Keyboard Matrix' & how it works.



Interesting ...

Ronni

On 06/09/2006, at 9:48 AM, Mark Secker wrote:


LOL OK my 2 cents worth.

on my TiBook at home every key works fine in double shift mode  
internal and external


On my Mirror Door G4 tower I get some weird double char (and one  
with a non print character (return)


it goes (with a space inserted after each key for clarity :
Starting from Tilda  ending on the numeric pad no return/enter key  
entered by me


~ !  X@ # $ % ^ & * ( ) _ + Q Z W E R T Y U I O> P: {
} (yes that's a  return put in  by the system before the }) | A S D  
BF G HM J K< L P: " QZ X@ C V BF N HM K< O> ? / * - + 17 80 9. 4 5  
6 17 2 3 80 9.



Just been tesing Daniel's experiment.

I can confirm Daniel's results on the iMac (Intel) - which I did  
before leaving home this morning.


I have now just tried the same experiment on the old Window's 98  
machine I'm lumbered with at work (Thanks Health Department!!) and  
got some interesting results:

ACDEGIJLNRSTUVWY

As you can see, there are several letters missing, and they are  
different from the ones that were missing on the iMac...


The plot thickens!

Daniel F.

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Re: Completely off Topic - by Daniel Kerr

[Mark Secker]

LOL OK my 2 cents worth.

on my TiBook at home every key works fine in double shift mode 
internal and external


On my Mirror Door G4 tower I get some weird double char (and one 
with a non print character (return)


it goes (with a space inserted after each key for clarity :
Starting from Tilda  ending on the numeric pad no return/enter key 
entered by me


~ !  X@ # $ % ^ & * ( ) _ + Q Z W E R T Y U I O> P: {
} (yes that's a  return put in  by the system before the }) | A S D 
BF G HM J K< L P: " QZ X@ C V BF N HM K< O> ? / * - + 17 80 9. 4 5 6 
17 2 3 80 9.



Just been tesing Daniel's experiment.

I can confirm Daniel's results on the iMac (Intel) - which I did 
before leaving home this morning.


I have now just tried the same experiment on the old Window's 98 
machine I'm lumbered with at work (Thanks Health Department!!) and 
got some interesting results:

ACDEGIJLNRSTUVWY

As you can see, there are several letters missing, and they are 
different from the ones that were missing on the iMac...


The plot thickens!

Daniel F.

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Completely off Topic - by Daniel Kerr

[Daniel Forsdyke]

Just been tesing Daniel's experiment.

I can confirm Daniel's results on the iMac (Intel) - which I did before leaving 
home this morning.

I have now just tried the same experiment on the old Window's 98 machine I'm 
lumbered with at work (Thanks Health Department!!) and got some interesting 
results:
ACDEGIJLNRSTUVWY

As you can see, there are several letters missing, and they are different from 
the ones that were missing on the iMac...

The plot thickens!

Daniel F.

Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Susan Hastings]

I read some other postings by the person who explained about the  
keyboards, and came across a funny Google trick, to type  
"unfortunately," followed by your name - you get such curiosities as:


"Unfortunately, Susan says that moral beauty in art - like physical  
beauty in a person - is extremely perishable.


Unfortunately, Susan's ardent supporters began turning on her when  
she starred in Stage Struck, the 1957 remake of Morning Glory (1933)


Unfortunately, Susan’s grandmother was never able to personally give  
Susan the earrings she purchased in Mexico.


Unfortunately Susan drops some envelopes on the floor and spots  
what's happening under the table.


I suggested going to the pound and rescuing a new friend, but  
unfortunately Susan wouldn’t hear of it. It had to be a cocker spaniel.


Unfortunately, Susan was about to discover that no such creature  
existed.


Unfortunately, Susan's powers of invisibility alone proved to be of  
relatively little use in team's earlier missions,


Unfortunately, Susan had a family emergency and couldn't be here  
tonight, but I think we can acknowledge nonetheless what an amazing  
thing she accomplished. ...


Unfortunately for Susan, she is admitted to a mental institution run  
by Dr. Fletcher … who enjoys being sado-masochistic and ...


unfortunately it was a bit boring for Susan, but she gamely came  
along in spite of that, bless ‘er..."


On 06/09/2006, at 7:36 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


For Daniel  and the rest of us who just 'had to find out WHY' 

"It turns out the double-shift-dead key roster is slightly  
different between the notebook built-in keyboard and the desktop  
keyboards. P and [ are double-shift-dead on the Apple USB desktop  
keyboards, but not on the notebook keyboards. However F7, F8 and F9  
aren’t double-shift-dead like they are on the notebook keyboards.  
Finally, add F16 and numeric-keypad 4, 5 6 to the desktop keyboard  
dead pool.

Whew, this is confusing. Here’s a graphic that boils it down:"

Go here to find out WHY: 


I can't believe you 'pushed my buttons' Daniel ;o)

Cheers,
Ronni
On 06/09/2006, at 7:24 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Oh Daniel  get more sleep!

You just knew I would have to try it .

In fact, when you hold down both shift keys, a bunch of keys go  
dead. Function keys F1 through F9 become non-responsive.


Almost the entire top row of letter keys (Tab, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, I  
and O) go dead. The hilarity ends with P, however. The remaining  
brace and backslash keys also operate normally.


All the rest of the keys operate fine. It’s just those rouge  
rogue* 18 19 (off-by-one) keys that don’t tolerate your double- 
shifting guff. ;o)


Cheers,

Ronni


On 05/09/2006, at 11:38 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too  
hard,..or
both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be  
bothered)

explain the following to me,

Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole  
alphabet

anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
(OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)

On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ

So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing  
socks in the
washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't  
seem to all

come out.


Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are  
reading this
and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get  
the better
of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh  
at me).

But I think it's strange
OK,. maybe it has been a long day..



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Re: Email not received by one recipient

[James Devenish]

Hi Rick,

Does Mail show that the message has been successfuly sent from Account
A? If so, the recipient may accidently have a SPAM filter that is
blocking mail from your Account A.

James.

Email not received by one recipient

[Rick Armstrong]

We have tried sending several emails to one recipient from our main  
account A and is not received,

when we use any of  other two accounts B and C they receive the email.
Emails are received into above account A from this one recipient.
(Tiger using Mail with iinet)

Re: Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Kelly Duffy]

Well I gave it a shot and had the same missing letters.

I also found that { is missing but both } | work fine.

Very strange!


On 9/6/06, Daniel Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Yes, that was my second finding,..it's the whole entire top row of keys.
Perhaps something to do with connections, that "short out" that top row when
two modifier keys are pressed.

Or maybe the computer just says "If you're bored/silly/mad enough to press
more then one shift key (which really isn't that easy to do in the first
place) then I'm going to confuse you even more,...just to drive you that
little bit more bored/silly/crazy/mad" :o)

Oh, and I've just read your response Ronni while writing this,..so,... :o)
Knew someone would research,...just goes to show the things you do for
WAMUG. :o) (Nice fine too,..)

AS to why I did it (Sam),..I like you "stumbled" across it and looked at it
and thought,...nah,...it won't do that,...but had to try it and find out
anyway,then lack of sleep thought I'd post and "intrigue" a few other
people. (Isn't the saying "Share the love") :o)) hehehe.

Nice to see we got to "solve" it though. :o)
(I'll now return you all to your normal program,..thanks for watching!)

Enjoy your day!

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 6/9/06 7:24 AM, "Ronda Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh Daniel  get more sleep!
>
> You just knew I would have to try it .
>
> In fact, when you hold down both shift keys, a bunch of keys go dead.
> Function keys F1 through F9 become non-responsive.
>
> Almost the entire top row of letter keys (Tab, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, I
> and O) go dead. The hilarity ends with P, however. The remaining
> brace and backslash keys also operate normally.
>
> All the rest of the keys operate fine. It¹s just those rouge rogue*
> 18 19 (off-by-one) keys that don¹t tolerate your double-shifting
> guff. ;o)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ronni
>
>
> On 05/09/2006, at 11:38 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
>
>> OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too
>> hard,..or
>> both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be
>> bothered)
>> explain the following to me,
>>
>> Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole alphabet
>> anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
>> (OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)
>>
>> On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
>> On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
>> ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ
>>
>> So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing socks
>> in the
>> washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't seem
>> to all
>> come out.
>>
>>
>> Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are
>> reading this
>> and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get
>> the better
>> of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh at
>> me).
>> But I think it's strange
>> OK,. maybe it has been a long day..
>
>

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Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Daniel Kerr]

Yes, that was my second finding,..it's the whole entire top row of keys.
Perhaps something to do with connections, that "short out" that top row when
two modifier keys are pressed.

Or maybe the computer just says "If you're bored/silly/mad enough to press
more then one shift key (which really isn't that easy to do in the first
place) then I'm going to confuse you even more,...just to drive you that
little bit more bored/silly/crazy/mad" :o)

Oh, and I've just read your response Ronni while writing this,..so,... :o)
Knew someone would research,...just goes to show the things you do for
WAMUG. :o) (Nice fine too,..)

AS to why I did it (Sam),..I like you "stumbled" across it and looked at it
and thought,...nah,...it won't do that,...but had to try it and find out
anyway,then lack of sleep thought I'd post and "intrigue" a few other
people. (Isn't the saying "Share the love") :o)) hehehe.

Nice to see we got to "solve" it though. :o)
(I'll now return you all to your normal program,..thanks for watching!)

Enjoy your day!

Kind Regards
Daniel


On 6/9/06 7:24 AM, "Ronda Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh Daniel  get more sleep!
> 
> You just knew I would have to try it .
> 
> In fact, when you hold down both shift keys, a bunch of keys go dead.
> Function keys F1 through F9 become non-responsive.
> 
> Almost the entire top row of letter keys (Tab, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, I
> and O) go dead. The hilarity ends with P, however. The remaining
> brace and backslash keys also operate normally.
> 
> All the rest of the keys operate fine. It¹s just those rouge rogue*
> 18 19 (off-by-one) keys that don¹t tolerate your double-shifting
> guff. ;o)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> 
> On 05/09/2006, at 11:38 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:
> 
>> OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too
>> hard,..or
>> both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be
>> bothered)
>> explain the following to me,
>> 
>> Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole alphabet
>> anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
>> (OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)
>> 
>> On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
>> On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
>> ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ
>> 
>> So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing socks
>> in the
>> washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't seem
>> to all
>> come out.
>> 
>> 
>> Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are
>> reading this
>> and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get
>> the better
>> of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh at
>> me).
>> But I think it's strange
>> OK,. maybe it has been a long day..
> 
> 

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Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Ronda Brown]

For Daniel  and the rest of us who just 'had to find out WHY' 

"It turns out the double-shift-dead key roster is slightly different  
between the notebook built-in keyboard and the desktop keyboards. P  
and [ are double-shift-dead on the Apple USB desktop keyboards, but  
not on the notebook keyboards. However F7, F8 and F9 aren’t double- 
shift-dead like they are on the notebook keyboards. Finally, add F16  
and numeric-keypad 4, 5 6 to the desktop keyboard dead pool.

Whew, this is confusing. Here’s a graphic that boils it down:"

Go here to find out WHY: 

I can't believe you 'pushed my buttons' Daniel ;o)

Cheers,
Ronni
On 06/09/2006, at 7:24 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:


Oh Daniel  get more sleep!

You just knew I would have to try it .

In fact, when you hold down both shift keys, a bunch of keys go  
dead. Function keys F1 through F9 become non-responsive.


Almost the entire top row of letter keys (Tab, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, I  
and O) go dead. The hilarity ends with P, however. The remaining  
brace and backslash keys also operate normally.


All the rest of the keys operate fine. It’s just those rouge rogue*  
18 19 (off-by-one) keys that don’t tolerate your double-shifting  
guff. ;o)


Cheers,

Ronni


On 05/09/2006, at 11:38 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too  
hard,..or
both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be  
bothered)

explain the following to me,

Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole alphabet
anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
(OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)

On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ

So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing socks  
in the
washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't seem  
to all

come out.


Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are  
reading this
and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get  
the better
of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh  
at me).

But I think it's strange
OK,. maybe it has been a long day..



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Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Ronda Brown]

Oh Daniel  get more sleep!

You just knew I would have to try it .

In fact, when you hold down both shift keys, a bunch of keys go dead.  
Function keys F1 through F9 become non-responsive.


Almost the entire top row of letter keys (Tab, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, I  
and O) go dead. The hilarity ends with P, however. The remaining  
brace and backslash keys also operate normally.


All the rest of the keys operate fine. It’s just those rouge rogue*  
18 19 (off-by-one) keys that don’t tolerate your double-shifting  
guff. ;o)


Cheers,

Ronni


On 05/09/2006, at 11:38 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too  
hard,..or
both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be  
bothered)

explain the following to me,

Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole alphabet
anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
(OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)

On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ

So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing socks  
in the
washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't seem  
to all

come out.


Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are  
reading this
and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get  
the better
of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh at  
me).

But I think it's strange
OK,. maybe it has been a long day..

Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[samantha whitely]

I tried it on my emac G4 and my letters are lost too, curiosity got  
the better of me, but my husband just laughed, so your assumptions on  
peoples reactions were spot on as well.


Sam

I think it's too early in the morning, have replied to this 3 times  
now.2 have been to the wrong places!

Mind you, I tried it and I suppose that says it all


On 05/09/2006, at 11:38 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote:

OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too  
hard,..or
both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be  
bothered)

explain the following to me,

Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole alphabet
anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
(OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)

On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ

So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing socks  
in the
washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't seem  
to all

come out.


Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are  
reading this
and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get  
the better
of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh at  
me).

But I think it's strange
OK,. maybe it has been a long day..



Enjoy!


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Daniel
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Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Peder Kristensen]

Yep, Daniel, I also get some missing characters. ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ I  
have an old G4 450MHz, with 10.4.7
However, looking where the 'missing' keys are on the board some of  
these correspond to different alphabet character on non English  
keyboard layout ... could that be part of it?


Cheers,
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On 05/09/2006, at 23:38 , Daniel Kerr wrote:

OK, the subject says it all, and maybe I'm bored, or working too  
hard,..or
both,...but can someone (only if they're really bored and can be  
bothered)

explain the following to me,

Hold down both shift keys on the keyboard and type the whole alphabet
anywhere you can write text. (We used Safari URL bar)
(OK, so it's a bit hard to do and stretches the fingers)

On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ

So where did the other letters go? Are they like the missing socks  
in the
washing machine,..they go in,..but for some reason they don't seem  
to all

come out.


Yeh, OK, so it's really pointless and I know some of you are  
reading this
and thinking,...nah he made it up, and curiosity is going to get  
the better
of you and you'll try it anyway. :o) (And others will just laugh at  
me).

But I think it's strange
OK,. maybe it has been a long day..



Enjoy!


Kind Regards
Daniel
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Re: Completely off topic, but I'm confused......

[Wendy S. Austin]

Yes okay Daniel, curiously, I did try it on my PowerBook and confirm  
that all the letters came out.   Now all we need is for some curious  
person with an iMac or G5 to give it a go.


Of course I must ask, why did you do this in the first place??

Wendy

On 05 Sep 2006, at 19:38, Daniel Kerr wrote:


On, the laptop we got the whole alphabet like normal.
On the iMac and G5 keyboards we got,...
ABCDFGHJKLMNSVXZ


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