Re: Wi-Fi an Telstra Bigpond cable

[Greg Pennefather]

Peter

It should work if your desktop maintains the heartbeat.  But, rest assured,
the connection will drop if your desktop is switched off.

You can get broadband routers that will maintain heartbeat for you for <
$100.

The good news is that Telstra is going to do away with it - for this news
and other info, tips and tricks see www.ozcableguy.com

Cheers

Greg


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> 
> Does anyone have W--Fi running with their Telstra Cable account? I
> have been doing lots of reading before deciding what equipment I
> need, and the main stumbling point seems to be the "Heartbeat". I
> suspect that something simple like an Airport Express should work
> fine as long at I let my Desktop machine maintain the Heartbeat, but
> I want to be sure before I outlay the ready.
> 
> 
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PM Alive and Well

[Rod Blitvich]

Yes he was at my school today.

http://web.mac.com/blitto/iWeb/Blittos%20Stuff/PM%20Visits%20Balcatta.html

Or view the movie ( a bit of a download = 10mb sorry)
http://web.mac.com/blitto/iWeb/Blittos%20Stuff/Movie%3A%20PM%40Balcatta.html

Cheers
Rod Blitvich



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15" iMac G4 for sale

[Geoff Richards]

for sale

15" lcd, iMac G4 (lamp shade)
800mhz G4
512 meg sdram
60 Gb hard drive
superdrive dvd burner
apple pro speakers
keyboard and mouse

$400

Free Ram

[KEVIN Lock]

I confess to being a bit greedy and dumb.I  took the free Ram 
offered by Chris Griffiths without checking what my machine already 
had..2 X 512Mb sticks with only two slots.  I somehow thought 
that it had a 1Gb stick.


Chris suggested that I offer his Ram to the list again.

It is a 256 stick  of type PC2-5300S-555-12-C2 which suits the latest Macs.

Kev
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Re: Current Australia's Prime Minister survived a hear attack

[Warren Jones]

This is a new Windows trojan, trying to entice people to click on a  
link to a malicious web site.


woz

On 19/02/2007, at 1:35 PM, Malcolm McCallum wrote:


  I  presume this is spam.
Mac

Begin forwarded message:


From: Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 February 2007 12:59:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Current Australia's Prime Minister survived a hear attack

SYDNEY, February 18, 2007 08:56pm (AEDT) - The Prime Minister of  
Australia, John Howard have survived a heart attack. Mr Howard, 67  
years old, was at Kirribilli House in Sydney, his prime residence,  
when he was suddenly stricken. Mr Howard was taken to the Royal  
North Shore Hospital where the best surgeons of Australia are  
struggling for his life.


Click on the link below to get the latest information on the  
health of the Prime Minister:


The Australian - keeping the nation informed

John Howard was born on the 26th of July, 1939. Howard is  
Australia's second longest serving Prime Minister and leader of  
the Liberal Party in Australia.


Howard was born at, a suburb of Sydney Australia. He attended  
Earlwood Primary School and then Canterbury Boys' High School.  
Howard graduated from the University of Sydney with a bachelor of  
Laws and in 1961.


Prime Minister John Howard was sworn Australian PM in 1996 and has  
subsequently won the next 3 elections, being in 1998, 2001 and  
2004. He is considered a conservative politician and has described  
himself as "the most conservative leader the Liberals have ever had".


Prime Minister Howard was a strong supporter of the war with Iraq  
and has been criticized for blindly following the lead of the  
United States president George W Bush. Australian troops entered  
Iraq with the United States and British lead force. This became an  
unpopular decision for Howard, particularly after no weapons of  
mass destruction was found in Iraq (the main reason for starting a  
war with Iraq and ousting the leader Suddam Husein).


John Howard and his wife Janette have three children together;  
Melanie, Tim and Richard Howard.




Malcolm McCallum
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Re: HD clicking

[Mark Secker]

Interestingly just having a quick scan through a research paper from 
Google's tech research team.




Google use consumer grade hard disks... buy cheap, in bulk, use high 
redundancy so a single drives failure is not critical and as such 
tend to only  replace them once the drive actually fails ( i.e. they 
tend to leave faulty drives in place until they actually fatally fail 
- meaning when  they cease to work at all)



just a quick scan through it's interesting to note that they don't 
seem to see a significant correlations between usage or temperature 
of the drive with it's chance of failure


however they do say this - that drives that have developed their 
first fault are "39 times more likely to fail within 60 days  than 
drives with no such errors"



...err excuse my  monday brain stalling at basic math but that's 
what? 3900% more likely to fail?


which sounds to me that if your drive HAS started to have problems 
you really NEED to replace it quickly.


does this happen even if your not accessing data on your  data 
drive? if so sounds like your boot drive


either way I'd bet money on it being faulty...

given the price of SATA drives is so low I would recommend replacing 
which ever drive is faulty...


I mean the G5 Mac  towers are still reasonably good machines (well 
at least I hope they are as I'm just about to buy one as my "new" 
home computer), and the smallest SATA 72000rpm drive I can see on 
our suppliers site is 160GB for $88 inc gst I'd consider that a 
reasonable  expenditure to keep it running.


Well it looks like it may be time to upgrade, or is it Monday 
morning G5 blues?


Remember a while back I posted a story about a continual clicking 
noise that I thought may have been my CD/DVD drive?
well it's doing it again, and it is without a doubt coming from one 
of the HD's (80Gb and 120Gb). It always produces ten
metallic clicks, then a 2 second space, followed by another 10 and 
so on? and it keeps  on going for say 10 mins and then
stops. During this time the multi-coloured 'don't talk to me now 
I'm working on it' wheel, spins away. Any ideas? also all the fans
slowly start to power up and build into a crescendo of whirling 
plastic blades.


It has just done it again, so I hit the power off button and 
restarted. Now everything is working again, but the 'Mac OS X -
starting Mac OS X' window is still on screen, with the blue 
progress line complete, even though I am writing this email?


Is all this familiar too you you have had an HD start to die on 
you? any thoughts would be welcomed.

G5/1.6GHz/1.5Gb RAM/OSX 10.4.8/80 + 120 Gb  internal HD's.

Thanks
Jon


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Re: Fwd: Current Australia's Prime Minister survived a hear attack

[Michael bradley]

he's at Balcatta Senior high school right now!! really

Malcolm McCallum wrote:

  I  presume this is spam.
Mac

Begin forwarded message:


From: Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 February 2007 12:59:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Current Australia's Prime Minister survived a hear attack

SYDNEY, February 18, 2007 08:56pm (AEDT) - The Prime Minister of 
Australia, John Howard have survived a heart attack. Mr Howard, 67 
years old, was at Kirribilli House in Sydney, his prime residence, 
when he was suddenly stricken. Mr Howard was taken to the Royal North 
Shore Hospital where the best surgeons of Australia are struggling for 
his life.


Click on the link below to get the latest information on the health of 
the Prime Minister:


The Australian - keeping the nation informed

John Howard was born on the 26th of July, 1939. Howard is Australia's 
second longest serving Prime Minister and leader of the Liberal Party 
in Australia.


Howard was born at, a suburb of Sydney Australia. He attended Earlwood 
Primary School and then Canterbury Boys' High School. Howard graduated 
from the University of Sydney with a bachelor of Laws and in 1961.


Prime Minister John Howard was sworn Australian PM in 1996 and has 
subsequently won the next 3 elections, being in 1998, 2001 and 2004. 
He is considered a conservative politician and has described himself 
as "the most conservative leader the Liberals have ever had".


Prime Minister Howard was a strong supporter of the war with Iraq and 
has been criticized for blindly following the lead of the United 
States president George W Bush. Australian troops entered Iraq with 
the United States and British lead force. This became an unpopular 
decision for Howard, particularly after no weapons of mass destruction 
was found in Iraq (the main reason for starting a war with Iraq and 
ousting the leader Suddam Husein).


John Howard and his wife Janette have three children together; 
Melanie, Tim and Richard Howard.




Malcolm McCallum
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Fwd: Current Australia's Prime Minister survived a hear attack

[Malcolm McCallum]

  I  presume this is spam.
Mac

Begin forwarded message:


From: Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 19 February 2007 12:59:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Current Australia's Prime Minister survived a hear attack

SYDNEY, February 18, 2007 08:56pm (AEDT) - The Prime Minister of  
Australia, John Howard have survived a heart attack. Mr Howard, 67  
years old, was at Kirribilli House in Sydney, his prime residence,  
when he was suddenly stricken. Mr Howard was taken to the Royal  
North Shore Hospital where the best surgeons of Australia are  
struggling for his life.


Click on the link below to get the latest information on the health  
of the Prime Minister:


The Australian - keeping the nation informed

John Howard was born on the 26th of July, 1939. Howard is  
Australia's second longest serving Prime Minister and leader of the  
Liberal Party in Australia.


Howard was born at, a suburb of Sydney Australia. He attended  
Earlwood Primary School and then Canterbury Boys' High School.  
Howard graduated from the University of Sydney with a bachelor of  
Laws and in 1961.


Prime Minister John Howard was sworn Australian PM in 1996 and has  
subsequently won the next 3 elections, being in 1998, 2001 and  
2004. He is considered a conservative politician and has described  
himself as "the most conservative leader the Liberals have ever had".


Prime Minister Howard was a strong supporter of the war with Iraq  
and has been criticized for blindly following the lead of the  
United States president George W Bush. Australian troops entered  
Iraq with the United States and British lead force. This became an  
unpopular decision for Howard, particularly after no weapons of  
mass destruction was found in Iraq (the main reason for starting a  
war with Iraq and ousting the leader Suddam Husein).


John Howard and his wife Janette have three children together;  
Melanie, Tim and Richard Howard.




Malcolm McCallum
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype docmactor

Re: Mail.app

[Adam Hewitt]

My accounts are POP or IMAP as are 90% of accounts out there, however  
I like to use IMAP so that I dont have to worry about backing it up  
and so I can check my email on multiple systems.


Adam.

On 19/02/2007, at 12:34 PM, Robert Howells wrote:


So is your mail account an " imap " or " Pop "  account ?

What should  it be ?

Bob

On 19/02/2007, at 11:27 AM, Adam Hewitt wrote:


Hi All,

I formatted my macbook last weekend and reinstalled everything and  
now I am getting this error message in Mail.app


"Message could not be saved"

...whenever I compose an email. I read on the net that the fix is  
to set the "IMAP Path Prefix" set to "INBOX", which seems to work  
however it also moves any sub-folders out of the appropriate  
mailbox and places them underneath my "Smart Mailboxes" which I  
don't particularly like. Is there any other way around this?


Cheers,

Adam.


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Re: Mail.app

[Robert Howells]

So is your mail account an " imap " or " Pop "  account ?

What should  it be ?

Bob

On 19/02/2007, at 11:27 AM, Adam Hewitt wrote:


Hi All,

I formatted my macbook last weekend and reinstalled everything and  
now I am getting this error message in Mail.app


"Message could not be saved"

...whenever I compose an email. I read on the net that the fix is  
to set the "IMAP Path Prefix" set to "INBOX", which seems to work  
however it also moves any sub-folders out of the appropriate  
mailbox and places them underneath my "Smart Mailboxes" which I  
don't particularly like. Is there any other way around this?


Cheers,

Adam.


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Mail.app

[Adam Hewitt]

Hi All,

I formatted my macbook last weekend and reinstalled everything and  
now I am getting this error message in Mail.app


"Message could not be saved"

...whenever I compose an email. I read on the net that the fix is to  
set the "IMAP Path Prefix" set to "INBOX", which seems to work  
however it also moves any sub-folders out of the appropriate mailbox  
and places them underneath my "Smart Mailboxes" which I don't  
particularly like. Is there any other way around this?


Cheers,

Adam.

Re: HD clicking

[Mark Secker]

does this happen even if your not accessing data on your  data drive? 
if so sounds like your boot drive


either way I'd bet money on it being faulty...

given the price of SATA drives is so low I would recommend replacing 
which ever drive is faulty...


I mean the G5 Mac  towers are still reasonably good machines (well at 
least I hope they are as I'm just about to buy one as my "new" home 
computer), and the smallest SATA 72000rpm drive I can see on our 
suppliers site is 160GB for $88 inc gst I'd consider that a 
reasonable  expenditure to keep it running.


Well it looks like it may be time to upgrade, or is it Monday 
morning G5 blues?


Remember a while back I posted a story about a continual clicking 
noise that I thought may have been my CD/DVD drive?
well it's doing it again, and it is without a doubt coming from one 
of the HD's (80Gb and 120Gb). It always produces ten
metallic clicks, then a 2 second space, followed by another 10 and 
so on? and it keeps  on going for say 10 mins and then
stops. During this time the multi-coloured 'don't talk to me now I'm 
working on it' wheel, spins away. Any ideas? also all the fans
slowly start to power up and build into a crescendo of whirling 
plastic blades.


It has just done it again, so I hit the power off button and 
restarted. Now everything is working again, but the 'Mac OS X -
starting Mac OS X' window is still on screen, with the blue progress 
line complete, even though I am writing this email?


Is all this familiar too you you have had an HD start to die on you? 
any thoughts would be welcomed.

G5/1.6GHz/1.5Gb RAM/OSX 10.4.8/80 + 120 Gb  internal HD's.

Thanks
Jon


 Jon Davison
 Creative Training courses
 The Futuresphere
 Queenslea Drive
 Claremont, WA 6010
 t:  9442 1659
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Daylight savings testing

[Warren Jones]

Hi all
Has anyone done some proper testing of the new patch released last week?

After applying the patch, and clicking on Perth instead of Tokyo I  
get the right time with the NTP server on (the time zone still shows  
WST not WDT ???).


Anyway, to check the end of the DS, I disabled NTP and set my clock  
to 25 Mar 2007 02:59:50 and was hoping that in 10 secs the time would  
be 02:00:00. Instead it just rolls over to 03:00:00.


I would have expected the DS zone changes to be independent of the  
NTP activation.


Comments?

Re: CRM Software

[Andrew Schox]

Chris,
 
> I'm looking for a CRM system for Mac (obviously!) that is networkable
> for multiple users from a server and able to perform all of my
> standard business transactions in.  I.e.: General Ledger, Customer
> Details and Relationships, Debtors, Creditors, Invoicing, etc. etc.
> Basically I would like something I can rely on as my business grows.

Have you had a look at Daylite and Billings?



They may (or may not) suit your needs.

Cheers,

Andrew




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Phone: 9316 3010
Fax: 9316 3012

Re: HD clicking

[Adam Hewitt]

I had a linux server a while ago that exhibited the same symptoms.  
Given that the server was only running a squid cache and connecting  
my ADSL I didn't really care if the hard drive died. After a few  
months of the clicking noise issue the machine hard locked up with  
nothing of any interest displayed on the screen. When I rebooted the  
OS would not load citing "OS not found: Please insert system disk" or  
similar. I stuck in my Debian CD, booted up and reinstalled  
everything on the same hard drive and everything continued to work.


I am fairly sure that I never had that drive fail again, but I don't  
think I used that server for very long before upgrading.


The moral is that the drive may keep working for a long time, but  
don't expect your data to stay safe.


Adam.

On 19/02/2007, at 8:26 AM, Jon Davison wrote:

Well it looks like it may be time to upgrade, or is it Monday  
morning G5 blues?


Remember a while back I posted a story about a continual clicking  
noise that I thought may have been my CD/DVD drive?
well it's doing it again, and it is without a doubt coming from one  
of the HD's (80Gb and 120Gb). It always produces ten
metallic clicks, then a 2 second space, followed by another 10 and  
so on? and it keeps  on going for say 10 mins and then
stops. During this time the multi-coloured 'don't talk to me now  
I'm working on it' wheel, spins away. Any ideas? also all the fans
slowly start to power up and build into a crescendo of whirling  
plastic blades.


It has just done it again, so I hit the power off button and  
restarted. Now everything is working again, but the 'Mac OS X -
starting Mac OS X' window is still on screen, with the blue  
progress line complete, even though I am writing this email?


Is all this familiar too you you have had an HD start to die on  
you? any thoughts would be welcomed.

G5/1.6GHz/1.5Gb RAM/OSX 10.4.8/80 + 120 Gb  internal HD's.

Thanks
Jon

Wi-Fi an Telstra Bigpond cable

[Peter Hinchliffe]

Does anyone have W--Fi running with their Telstra Cable account? I  
have been doing lots of reading before deciding what equipment I  
need, and the main stumbling point seems to be the "Heartbeat". I  
suspect that something simple like an Airport Express should work  
fine as long at I let my Desktop machine maintain the Heartbeat, but  
I want to be sure before I outlay the ready.



--
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FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

Re: HD clicking

[Jon Davison]

Well it looks like it may be time to upgrade, or is it Monday morning  
G5 blues?


Remember a while back I posted a story about a continual clicking  
noise that I thought may have been my CD/DVD drive?
well it's doing it again, and it is without a doubt coming from one  
of the HD's (80Gb and 120Gb). It always produces ten
metallic clicks, then a 2 second space, followed by another 10 and so  
on? and it keeps  on going for say 10 mins and then
stops. During this time the multi-coloured 'don't talk to me now I'm  
working on it' wheel, spins away. Any ideas? also all the fans
slowly start to power up and build into a crescendo of whirling  
plastic blades.


It has just done it again, so I hit the power off button and  
restarted. Now everything is working again, but the 'Mac OS X -
starting Mac OS X' window is still on screen, with the blue progress  
line complete, even though I am writing this email?


Is all this familiar too you you have had an HD start to die on you?  
any thoughts would be welcomed.

G5/1.6GHz/1.5Gb RAM/OSX 10.4.8/80 + 120 Gb  internal HD's.

Thanks
Jon


Jon Davison
Creative Training courses
The Futuresphere
Queenslea Drive
Claremont, WA 6010
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Re: How to make friendly mail messages for Windows users

[Glenn Nicholas]

That sounds spot on Ronni, useful way to go.

I'll try UTF-8 and test.

Glenn.
PublicityShip

On 19/02/2007, at 7:39 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:



On 17/02/2007, at 12:25 PM, Rob Phillips wrote:

Hi, something I've noticed with *some* email replies from Windows  
users  In place of some double spaces, I see a white question  
mark in a black diamond.  When viewing the source of the email,  
it seems double spaces and some newlines are being replaced by  
=EF=BF=BD (a hex code for the q. mark I suppose).  I'm thinking  
that possibly my emails appear to some Windows users with these  
strange characters in them.   And I'm sure there are lots of  
variables here that dictate when/why this happens.


This prompts me to ask ... does anyone have general tips for  
creating Mail.app emails (including email signatures) that are as  
friendly as possible to all email readers (including Windows), so  
'funny characters' are avoided?


Note I have Windows Friendly Attachments switched on.

Thanks for any help offered,



And a followup request is about the conditions under which  
filenames are truncated when files with long names are sent as  
email attachments.


Hi Glenn & Rob,

I read this article some time ago & kept it but did not kept it's  
source ;-(


"When sending rich text with attachments, Tiger Mail produces  
messages with mixed character encodings. This does not bother most  
mail clients, but when the message contains accented characters  
used in European languages, or sometimes even special formatting or  
punctuation characters in English text, it can cause Windows  
Outlook to display these as Chinese, question marks, or other  
incorrect symbols.


Fix A: Plain Text Only. The easiest way avoid this problem is to  
send email as plain text (Format > Make Plain Text) instead of rich  
text.


Fix B: Rich Text - Terminal. You can set Mail's default encoding to  
UTF-8. To do this, exit Mail, open Terminal, type the following,  
and press return:


defaults write com.apple.mail NSPreferredMailCharset "UTF-8"

Mail's encoding can also be set to UTF-8 for a particular message  
by using the Message > Text Encoding menu before sending.


Fix C: Rich Text - Dingbat. Another way to force UTF-8 is to  
include a Unicode dingbat in the body of every message, such as  
Character Palette 2701. This may be the only option if your text  
has no accented characters or smart punctuation in it. If you don't  
want it to show, color it white. If you use a signature, you can  
try putting it there, making sure however that no graphic comes  
between it and the message text. (Note: You must use the Character  
Palette set to the proper number for this. Switching your font and  
using the keyboard for input will *not* produce a Unicode dingbat.


Some older mail clients may not understand UTF-8, and for these the  
plain text solution would be more appropriate.


Other options you can try are to replace the UTF-8 in the terminal  
command by ISO-8859-1 or Windows-1252.


Note that you cannot always tell how your message is being received  
by how it looks when quoted back to you in a reply, so it is best  
to verify whether the recipient actually has problems reading your  
text before trying to fix anything.


Also you cannot tell what is happening to the encoding of your  
outgoing mail by looking at Message > Text Encoding. It will always  
say Automatic or Default (unless of course you change it manually)  
even when you have set this to something specific in the Terminal.  
In addition, Mail > Preferences > Appearance > Default Encoding is  
only for incoming messages, not for outgoings.


To check whether your mail is being given a uniform encoding, do  
View > Message > Raw Source on the message in your Sent folder and  
check to see if all the "charset=" statements are the same (there  
should normally be 2 of these in a rich text message).


Duplicated Texts: Some older mail clients such as Outlook Express  
and Eudora have been reported to display two copies of rich text  
messages with attachments coming from Mail. Why this happens is not  
known, but a possible fix is to manually set the encoding to  
ISO-8859-1 before sending.


Webmail: If your problem involves what recipients are seeing in  
webmail rather than Win Outlook, the fixes here may or may not  
work. The ways different webmail systems deal with encodings is  
impossible to determine other than by experiment.


Boring Technical Details for Garbled Text

Here is the explanation for how this problem happens. Essentially  
there are two bugs in Outlook. The first one causes it to confuse  
the two encodings in a multipart incoming Mail message and read  
Latin-1 characters beyond ascii as if they were UTF-8. So, for  
example in the French phrase


pensé qu'il

it sees the é + space + q as a series of 3 bytes, E9 20 71 forming  
one character. (In UTF-8 a byte beginning with E signals a 3 byte  
character.)


E9 20 71 is not in fact a valid UT

Re: How to make friendly mail messages for Windows users

[Ronda Brown]

On 17/02/2007, at 12:25 PM, Rob Phillips wrote:

Hi, something I've noticed with *some* email replies from Windows  
users  In place of some double spaces, I see a white question  
mark in a black diamond.  When viewing the source of the email, it  
seems double spaces and some newlines are being replaced by  
=EF=BF=BD (a hex code for the q. mark I suppose).  I'm thinking  
that possibly my emails appear to some Windows users with these  
strange characters in them.   And I'm sure there are lots of  
variables here that dictate when/why this happens.


This prompts me to ask ... does anyone have general tips for  
creating Mail.app emails (including email signatures) that are as  
friendly as possible to all email readers (including Windows), so  
'funny characters' are avoided?


Note I have Windows Friendly Attachments switched on.

Thanks for any help offered,



And a followup request is about the conditions under which  
filenames are truncated when files with long names are sent as  
email attachments.


Hi Glenn & Rob,

I read this article some time ago & kept it but did not kept it's  
source ;-(


"When sending rich text with attachments, Tiger Mail produces  
messages with mixed character encodings. This does not bother most  
mail clients, but when the message contains accented characters used  
in European languages, or sometimes even special formatting or  
punctuation characters in English text, it can cause Windows Outlook  
to display these as Chinese, question marks, or other incorrect symbols.


Fix A: Plain Text Only. The easiest way avoid this problem is to send  
email as plain text (Format > Make Plain Text) instead of rich text.


Fix B: Rich Text - Terminal. You can set Mail's default encoding to  
UTF-8. To do this, exit Mail, open Terminal, type the following, and  
press return:


defaults write com.apple.mail NSPreferredMailCharset "UTF-8"

Mail's encoding can also be set to UTF-8 for a particular message by  
using the Message > Text Encoding menu before sending.


Fix C: Rich Text - Dingbat. Another way to force UTF-8 is to include  
a Unicode dingbat in the body of every message, such as Character  
Palette 2701. This may be the only option if your text has no  
accented characters or smart punctuation in it. If you don't want it  
to show, color it white. If you use a signature, you can try putting  
it there, making sure however that no graphic comes between it and  
the message text. (Note: You must use the Character Palette set to  
the proper number for this. Switching your font and using the  
keyboard for input will *not* produce a Unicode dingbat.


Some older mail clients may not understand UTF-8, and for these the  
plain text solution would be more appropriate.


Other options you can try are to replace the UTF-8 in the terminal  
command by ISO-8859-1 or Windows-1252.


Note that you cannot always tell how your message is being received  
by how it looks when quoted back to you in a reply, so it is best to  
verify whether the recipient actually has problems reading your text  
before trying to fix anything.


Also you cannot tell what is happening to the encoding of your  
outgoing mail by looking at Message > Text Encoding. It will always  
say Automatic or Default (unless of course you change it manually)  
even when you have set this to something specific in the Terminal. In  
addition, Mail > Preferences > Appearance > Default Encoding is only  
for incoming messages, not for outgoings.


To check whether your mail is being given a uniform encoding, do View  
> Message > Raw Source on the message in your Sent folder and check  
to see if all the "charset=" statements are the same (there should  
normally be 2 of these in a rich text message).


Duplicated Texts: Some older mail clients such as Outlook Express and  
Eudora have been reported to display two copies of rich text messages  
with attachments coming from Mail. Why this happens is not known, but  
a possible fix is to manually set the encoding to ISO-8859-1 before  
sending.


Webmail: If your problem involves what recipients are seeing in  
webmail rather than Win Outlook, the fixes here may or may not work.  
The ways different webmail systems deal with encodings is impossible  
to determine other than by experiment.


Boring Technical Details for Garbled Text

Here is the explanation for how this problem happens. Essentially  
there are two bugs in Outlook. The first one causes it to confuse the  
two encodings in a multipart incoming Mail message and read Latin-1  
characters beyond ascii as if they were UTF-8. So, for example in the  
French phrase


pensé qu'il

it sees the é + space + q as a series of 3 bytes, E9 20 71 forming  
one character. (In UTF-8 a byte beginning with E signals a 3 byte  
character.)


E9 20 71 is not in fact a valid UTF-8 sequence, but Windows or  
Outlook has another bug: It doesn't care whether the sequence is  
valid or not. It looks at the binary for the las

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