Re: Apples to Apples

[James / Hans Kunz]

i agree in many points with Adam
it's sad that i have no photo taken this morning, just to show what  
sort of industrial/comercial job a mac can do (programming plcs in a  
laboratory for automatic processes during biological  
research)...it's true a lot of the software comes from the linux  
& unix world, eg my pc board layout program run on X11

and the best of all viruses have a very hard live in a mac..
regarding speed what a mac does in one step, a windows computer needs  
3 steps to do the same
regarding cost for every windows machine you have to spend another  
150 to $300 for virus protection, my mac runs w/o protection & spends  
a lot of time on the net
with my "old" powerbook i still do more than most of the guys who  
just bought a new windows machine, they are suprised that i do it  
allready for a long time
mac was the first computer with grafic user interface (some call it  
point & click with the mouse) long before windows

all ready on the apple IIc (1983) you had a GUI
 cheers James

On 17/07/2007, at 12:36, Adam Hewitt wrote:


Hi All,

I *hate* these debates. I especially hate it when they try and pawn  
themselves off as being a *true* comparison.


After watching that video and reading the comments I am inclined to  
start a real "Apples to Apples" website that allows for comment to  
be imbedded into the argument.


In any case here are my points on this topic.

1. The hardware costs are significantly different depending on  
quality and manufacturer. Compare the cost of a Palit 8800GTX and a  
BFG 800GTX for example.
2. The hardware is not even the point to most of the Apple ads, its  
the software that is being compared (Upgrade to Vista for example)
3. The guy failed to take into account X11 and the linux ports. I  
would say that this would constitute a large amount of free  
software, so only giving examples from downloads.com is not accurate.
4. There were a number of arguments in the comments regarding  
viruses and hackers and that Windows is less secure only because  
there are so many more Windows machines around the world. This is a  
crap argument because of one simple factWindows defaults to the  
user being Administr...


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Re: Apples to Apples

[Michael Kane Taylor]

Picking up on Hans' last paragraph and totally off topic but fun, so  
apologies in advance.


The (dual processor) Amiga was arguably ahead of Apple in the mid-80s.
Michael

"The Amiga computer was a machine ahead of its time. When it was  
released in 1985, its color screen (4096 colors in HAM mode!), four- 
channel sampled stereo sound, preemptive multitasking GUI, and custom  
chips to accelerate both sound and graphics made the year-old  
Macintosh seem antiquated and the PC positively Paleolithic. Steve  
Jobs was reported to be extremely worried about the Amiga, but  
fortunately for him and Apple, Commodore had absolutely no idea what  
they were doing."



On 17/07/2007, at 3:14 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:


i agree in many points with Adam
it's sad that i have no photo taken this morning, just to show what  
sort of industrial/comercial job a mac can do (programming plcs in  
a laboratory for automatic processes during biological  
research)...it's true a lot of the software comes from the  
linux & unix world, eg my pc board layout program run on X11

and the best of all viruses have a very hard live in a mac..
regarding speed what a mac does in one step, a windows computer  
needs 3 steps to do the same
regarding cost for every windows machine you have to spend another  
150 to $300 for virus protection, my mac runs w/o protection &  
spends a lot of time on the net
with my "old" powerbook i still do more than most of the guys who  
just bought a new windows machine, they are suprised that i do it  
allready for a long time
mac was the first computer with grafic user interface (some call it  
point & click with the mouse) long before windows

all ready on the apple IIc (1983) you had a GUI
 cheers James

On 17/07/2007, at 12:36, Adam Hewitt wrote:


Hi All,

I *hate* these debates. I especially hate it when they try and  
pawn themselves off as being a *true* comparison.


After watching that video and reading the comments I am inclined  
to start a real "Apples to Apples" website that allows for comment  
to be imbedded into the argument.


In any case here are my points on this topic.

1. The hardware costs are significantly different depending on  
quality and manufacturer. Compare the cost of a Palit 8800GTX and  
a BFG 800GTX for example.
2. The hardware is not even the point to most of the Apple ads,  
its the software that is being compared (Upgrade to Vista for  
example)
3. The guy failed to take into account X11 and the linux ports. I  
would say that this would constitute a large amount of free  
software, so only giving examples from downloads.com is not accurate.
4. There were a number of arguments in the comments regarding  
viruses and hackers and that Windows is less secure only because  
there are so many more Windows machines around the world. This is  
a crap argument because of one simple factWindows defaults to  
the user being Administr...


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Re: Apples to Apples

[Rod Lavington]

In staying off topic... :-)

The Amiga was streets ahead until the early 90s.  The Video Toaster add on
board revolutionised Desktop and Broadcast video long before Apple.  A
"hackable" OS (in the true sense of the word) which was very elegant and
efficient.  Too bad Commodore was run by monkeys :-(

But, everyone else caught up and left the Amiga behind.  Consoles did more
damage to the Amiga market than PCs or Macs.

Seeya

Rod!


On 17/7/07 3:45 PM, "Michael Kane Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Picking up on Hans' last paragraph and totally off topic but fun, so
> apologies in advance.
> 
> The (dual processor) Amiga was arguably ahead of Apple in the mid-80s.
> Michael
> 
> "The Amiga computer was a machine ahead of its time. When it was
> released in 1985, its color screen (4096 colors in HAM mode!), four-
> channel sampled stereo sound, preemptive multitasking GUI, and custom
> chips to accelerate both sound and graphics made the year-old
> Macintosh seem antiquated and the PC positively Paleolithic. Steve
> Jobs was reported to be extremely worried about the Amiga, but
> fortunately for him and Apple, Commodore had absolutely no idea what
> they were doing."
> 
> 
> On 17/07/2007, at 3:14 PM, James / Hans Kunz wrote:
> 
>> i agree in many points with Adam
>> it's sad that i have no photo taken this morning, just to show what
>> sort of industrial/comercial job a mac can do (programming plcs in
>> a laboratory for automatic processes during biological
>> research)...it's true a lot of the software comes from the
>> linux & unix world, eg my pc board layout program run on X11
>> and the best of all viruses have a very hard live in a mac..
>> regarding speed what a mac does in one step, a windows computer
>> needs 3 steps to do the same
>> regarding cost for every windows machine you have to spend another
>> 150 to $300 for virus protection, my mac runs w/o protection &
>> spends a lot of time on the net
>> with my "old" powerbook i still do more than most of the guys who
>> just bought a new windows machine, they are suprised that i do it
>> allready for a long time
>> mac was the first computer with grafic user interface (some call it
>> point & click with the mouse) long before windows
>> all ready on the apple IIc (1983) you had a GUI
>>  cheers James
>> 
>> On 17/07/2007, at 12:36, Adam Hewitt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I *hate* these debates. I especially hate it when they try and
>>> pawn themselves off as being a *true* comparison.
>>> 
>>> After watching that video and reading the comments I am inclined
>>> to start a real "Apples to Apples" website that allows for comment
>>> to be imbedded into the argument.
>>> 
>>> In any case here are my points on this topic.
>>> 
>>> 1. The hardware costs are significantly different depending on
>>> quality and manufacturer. Compare the cost of a Palit 8800GTX and
>>> a BFG 800GTX for example.
>>> 2. The hardware is not even the point to most of the Apple ads,
>>> its the software that is being compared (Upgrade to Vista for
>>> example)
>>> 3. The guy failed to take into account X11 and the linux ports. I
>>> would say that this would constitute a large amount of free
>>> software, so only giving examples from downloads.com is not accurate.
>>> 4. There were a number of arguments in the comments regarding
>>> viruses and hackers and that Windows is less secure only because
>>> there are so many more Windows machines around the world. This is
>>> a crap argument because of one simple factWindows defaults to
>>> the user being Administr...
>> 
>> SAD Technic
>> Video Productions, Electronic repairs
>> U3 / 6 Chalkley Pl
>> Bayswater WA 6053
>> +618 9370 5307,+618 6262 5707, 0414 421 132
>> http://www.iinet.net.au/~saddas
>> skype: barleeway
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for techies

[James / Hans Kunz]

the intel machines get a boost ( by about 28%), according some news  
from Munich Germany
the new series of intel core 2 will be out in about 2 weeks and is  
suitable for laptops
its name is "Core 2 Extreme X7800" is a quad core system, consumes 44  
watts power, has power saving features, uses a 800 mhz bus to connect  
to the motherboard..there is allready a 3ghz version in the  
pipeline.


another thing is the webbrowser Firefox is now market leader in some  
parts of Europe.


Apple stopped the media in reporting about the osx.5 / leopard,  
screenshots & existing reports have to be removed...

the software is for developers only
apple wants that anyone interested is visiting the apple webpage

James

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Address book

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi Folks,
Can somebody tell me the quickest way to import an Entourage address book
from the G4 in to Mail on the Powerbook?
Sorry need to do this pretty quickly so haven¹t checked archives...
TIA,

Ken


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Re: Address book

[Steve Woods]

On 17/07/2007, at 7:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Folks,
Can somebody tell me the quickest way to import an Entourage  
address book

from the G4 in to Mail on the Powerbook?


Hi Ken.

These steps should do the trick:

You can easily import contacts from Microsoft Entourage using vCard  
format.


To import contacts from Entourage on the G4:
  1. Create a new folder in the Finder on your desktop named  
"Contacts".

  2. Open the address book in Entourage.
  3. Select the contacts you want to export. If you want to  
export all of them, choose Select All from the Edit menu.
  4. Drag the selected contacts into the Contacts folder that  
you created. This creates vCard files for each of the contacts you  
selected.

  5. Quit Entourage.
Copy the folder you created to the Powerbook
  6. Open the Address Book application.
  7. Choose View Card and Columns from the View menu.
  8. Drag the Contacts folder from the desktop to the Groups  
column of the Address Book window.


The contact information should now be available in Address Book (and  
therefore also in Mail).


(info sourced from  :)


HTH,

Steve.

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Re: Photo Restoration

[Jo Brookes]

Is the odd pattern on the actual photo or on the scan, (could be the  
moire effect) not sure if I spelt that right.
If so you could rescan it in another resolution, doesnt usually  
happen with scans from original photos tho, usually its scans of  
printed stuff that it shows up on. I havnt seen it for years.


jo
On 17/07/2007, at 12:00 AM, Matthew Healey wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I am looking for someone to restore an old photo for me. The  
picture itself is in good condition, but it has an odd pattern  
across it that I would like removed.


If anyone is, or knows, a photoshop god that does this sort of  
thing, please let me know.


- Matt

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Digital/Analogue same quality

[Jo Brookes]

I called JB Hi Fi yesterday about a DVD/VCR recorder.

I was talking to the guy about recording from digital camera to DVD  
and he said

"yes, but it would only be analogue quality"

No, I have a digital camera
	That only refers to controls on the camera, it has tapes, so its  
analogue


No, they are digital tapes
huh?

Why do I pay more for digital tapes if they are actually analogue
Only hard disks can record digital

What about Dat tapes for backups?
What tapes?, never heard  of them
Computers  cant backup to tapes... only to other computers

Dat tapes...
No such thing, not for backups

I've used them for backups myself
	Well were not talking about that is there anything else you want  
to know about?


No thats it thanks





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Re: Digital/Analogue same quality

[Jude]

It's obvious that you do know what your talking about, but just in 
case his spiel worried you, you're right and he's wrong. Digital 
video is recorded as 0s and 1s. Digitally. With digits. Lucky these 
guys don't get paid to do any really important work. ;)






I called JB Hi Fi yesterday about a DVD/VCR recorder.

I was talking to the guy about recording from digital camera to DVD 
and he said

"yes, but it would only be analogue quality"

No, I have a digital camera
	That only refers to controls on the camera, it has tapes, so 
its analogue


No, they are digital tapes
huh?

Why do I pay more for digital tapes if they are actually analogue
Only hard disks can record digital

What about Dat tapes for backups?
What tapes?, never heard  of them
Computers  cant backup to tapes... only to other computers

Dat tapes...
No such thing, not for backups

I've used them for backups myself
	Well were not talking about that is there anything else 
you want to know about?


No thats it thanks





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Re: Digital/Analogue same quality

[Jude]

And I apologise for the incorrect usage of 'your' in the first 
sentence there. One of my own pet hates!


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Digital/Analogue

[Ken Jackson]

How sad... & these people are actually advising others...it's a bit  
typical of the standard of decay in service/knowledge that is  
beginning to penetrate everywhere because of the lack of training.


Ken


On 18/07/2007, at 1:35 PM, Jo Brookes wrote:



I called JB Hi Fi yesterday about a DVD/VCR recorder.

I was talking to the guy about recording from digital camera to DVD  
and he said

"yes, but it would only be analogue quality"

No, I have a digital camera
	That only refers to controls on the camera, it has tapes, so its  
analogue


No, they are digital tapes
huh?

Why do I pay more for digital tapes if they are actually analogue
Only hard disks can record digital

What about Dat tapes for backups?
What tapes?, never heard  of them
Computers  cant backup to tapes... only to other computers

Dat tapes...
No such thing, not for backups

I've used them for backups myself
	Well were not talking about that is there anything else you  
want to know about?


No thats it thanks



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logitech g15 gaming keyboard

[Adam Hewitt]

Hi All,

I managed to spill a few drops of coke on my g15 gaming keyboard last
Friday, which I wiped off immediately. I continued to use it for the rest of
the day without problems and then discovered on Saturday that 85% of the
keys don't work any more.

I pulled the keyboard apart and found that the coke had managed to get in
between the plastic membrane with the circuitry on it that registers the key
presses. I cleaned it all out and made sure it was all gone and dry, however
the circuitry has seemingly oxidized in some places and has gone a brownish
color. I put it all back together and tested it again and it made no
difference.

I phoned Logitech this morning to find out how I could go about getting the
replacement membrane (SOE-KBT432) and I was told that they do not sell
individual components and the best I could do was to leave the keyboard out
in the sun to dry or buy a new one.

I am very disappointed that I cannot purchase what would be a $10 part to
fix my $120 keyboard. Does anyone:
 
1. know where/if I can get a replacement for this, even a 3rd party one.
2. know anyone that has a broken g15 that I could pilfer the membrane from
3. know how I could go about getting this membrane fixed at a reasonable
price.

Kind regards,

Adam.





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Re: logitech g15 gaming keyboard

[Robert Howells]

On 18/07/2007, at 1:37 PM, Adam Hewitt wrote:


Hi All,

I managed to spill a few drops of coke on my g15 gaming keyboard last
Friday, which I wiped off immediately. I continued to use it for  
the rest of
the day without problems and then discovered on Saturday that 85%  
of the

keys don't work any more.

I pulled the keyboard apart and found that the coke had managed to  
get in
between the plastic membrane with the circuitry on it that  
registers the key
presses. I cleaned it all out and made sure it was all gone and  
dry, however
the circuitry has seemingly oxidized in some places and has gone a  
brownish

color. I put it all back together and tested it again and it made no


The question here is whether oxidisation has actually taken place or  
whether
there is only residue from the coke acting as a conductor between the  
components and track .


You could try lightly brushing some DISTILLED water ( or equivalent )
across the areas to see if you can dilute it and wash it away !

After that leave it in a warm location to dry out !
Bright sun could cause more damage to some parts .


And if that does not work , soak the faulty part in DDISTILLED  water  
for an hour or 2,
lightly brush at it afterwards and then put in a warm NOT sunny place  
to dry .

Might take 2 or 3 days to dry properly

The odd website that I found with stories of this problem generally  
suggest that

if you get it working it will likely fail some time later.

Good luck

Bob










difference.

I phoned Logitech this morning to find out how I could go about  
getting the

replacement membrane (SOE-KBT432) and I was told that they do not sell
individual components and the best I could do was to leave the  
keyboard out

in the sun to dry or buy a new one.

I am very disappointed that I cannot purchase what would be a $10  
part to

fix my $120 keyboard. Does anyone:

1. know where/if I can get a replacement for this, even a 3rd party  
one.
2. know anyone that has a broken g15 that I could pilfer the  
membrane from
3. know how I could go about getting this membrane fixed at a  
reasonable

price.

Kind regards,

Adam.





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