Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Lloyd When I last looked at the 2011 Outlook beta it looked very similar to Entourage 2008, the icons, menus and colour scheme were practically the same. Honestly I think most of us wont notice a difference except the name. Patrick On 6/08/10 1:39 PM, Lloyd White lloydwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use Mail.app. Kind Regards Daniel -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Calling it 'outlook' instead of 'entourage' just brings it into line with the Windows naming system, I think there may have been an Outlook that worked on the Mac back in the dark ages, otherwise we would have to have used it on a Windows system to know anything about it. On 06/08/2010, at 2:29 PM, Patrick Lawrence wrote: Lloyd When I last looked at the 2011 Outlook beta it looked very similar to Entourage 2008, the icons, menus and colour scheme were practically the same. Honestly I think most of us wont notice a difference except the name. Patrick On 6/08/10 1:39 PM, Lloyd White lloydwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use Mail.app. Kind Regards Daniel -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Sharing virtual machine
Hi there We have installed Windows XP in VMWare Fusion. Two questions 1 What is the best way of sharing the virtual machine with other users of the host? 2 What is the best way of sharing documents/file that open in Windows XP with other users of the host and across the network? Stuart Breden -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
On 5/08/2010 9:29 PM, Philippe Chaperon wrote: For all the bad things one can say about Microsoft, I still do not know of any software package that will match the ability of MS Office to open very, very old documents. I can be proved wrong, but all my old documents except MS Office's ones, are now unreadable. To illustrate, I have been reading Word and Excel documents dating back to prior to 1996 complete with VBAs and Macros without the slightest problem. By the way those documents were stored on ... diskettes, yes those little floppies which the new generation of Mac users would probably not even have seen. In my view MS is not all that 'evil' and I must give them credit for their continued progress specially with Excel, which in my personal opinion, has no equal. Kind regards, Philippe C Of course the reason it's good at opening Microsoft documents is that they're in proprietary Microsoft formats. Using open document formats (such as the native formats of OpenOffice and NeoOffice) means there will be more apps that can read old documents and helps greatly with information preservation, and market competition over time. Not to mention you (and your government tax dollars) won't have to pay money to Microsoft for the licensing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_adoption Have fun, Shay -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Actually, I understand Outlook for Mac is more than just a re-badging although it still doesn't support native MAPI for connecting to Exchange, something that has been a feature of Outlook for PC forever: Outlook for Mac is coming to Office 2011, replacing Entourage. Outlook for Mac is a new application that leverages the Exchange Web Services protocol and is being built using Cocoa, allowing for improved integration with the Mac OS. Today we are also announcing that Outlook for Mac will import .PST files from Outlook for Windows — a top customer request. In addition, as announced last year, Outlook for Mac features a reliable, high-speed, file-based database with Spotlight search and back-up support from Time Machine. In terms of my experience with both existing versions of the programs, LookOut(!!) is better and worse than EnterRage and both suck in general. On a PC OutLook is known to corrupt PST files (all your email) and I've had Entourage corrupt innumerable mail databases and lose thousands of my calendar appointments and email messages as well as propagate the corruptions to all my other computers and iPhone thanks to Exchange. I am now using Outlook 2007 under Parallels and VMware for all my work email and calendaring and suffering with its foibles but at least it hasn't yet lost mail. Entourage's search features are a lot better than Outlook. Outlook has far better page layout features within email messages than Entourage (think text wrap around images, HTML linking to bookmarks within the one email message etc.) Entourage is very buggy with bullets and multiple indenting Outlook handles delegation and proxy email senders better than Entourage Outlook supports server-side rules if you use an Exchange server while Entourage doesn't. Outlook has a voting buttons feature that Entourage lacks Entourage supports drag and drop from other apps (Mac feature) Thankfully Outlook for Mac 2011 gets rid of the monolithic mail database file which would always have problems with Time Machine and Spotlight (not to mention those database corruptions i mention above) and instead uses individual files for mailboxes, messages etc. I'd switch to Apple Mail and iCal if we had Exchange 2007 here at Curtin, but we are still stuck at Exchange 2003 which Apple's software doesn't support which is very frustrating. We also use shared calendars a great deal so would hope Apple's integration with Exchange 2007+ is rock solid. Of course it remains to be seen whether Microsoft's implementation of Outlook on the Mac is any good or not - I'm not holding my breath having been disappointed and frustrated too many times in the past, but we can always hope... -Mart Martin Hill mailto:mart_h...@mac.com homepages: http://web.mac.com/mart_hill Mb: 0401-103-194 hm: (08)9314-5242 On 06/08/2010, at 1:39 PM, Lloyd White wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use
Re: New Office for Mac 2011 due in October
Actually, I understand Outlook for Mac is more than just a re-badging although it still doesn't support native MAPI for connecting to Exchange, something that has been a feature of Outlook for PC forever: Outlook for Mac is coming to Office 2011, replacing Entourage. Outlook for Mac is a new application that leverages the Exchange Web Services protocol and is being built using Cocoa, allowing for improved integration with the Mac OS. Today we are also announcing that Outlook for Mac will import .PST files from Outlook for Windows — a top customer request. In addition, as announced last year, Outlook for Mac features a reliable, high-speed, file-based database with Spotlight search and back-up support from Time Machine. In terms of my experience with both existing versions of the programs, LookOut is better and worse than EnterRage and both suck in general. On a PC OutLook is known to corrupt PST files (all your email) and I've had Entourage corrupt innumerable mail databases and lose thousands of my calendar appointments and email messages as well as propagate the corruptions to all my other computers and iPhone thanks to Exchange. I am now using Outlook 2007 under Parallels and VMware for all my work email and calendaring and suffering with its foibles but at least it hasn't yet lost mail. Entourage's search features are a lot better than Outlook. Outlook has far better page layout features within email messages than Entourage (think text wrap around images, HTML linking to bookmarks within the one email message etc.) Entourage is very buggy with bullets and multiple indenting Outlook handles delegation and proxy email senders better than Entourage Outlook supports server-side rules if you use an Exchange server while Entourage doesn't. Outlook has a voting buttons feature that Entourage lacks Entourage supports drag and drop from other apps (Mac feature) Thankfully Outlook for Mac 2011 gets rid of the monolithic mail database file which would always have problems with Time Machine and Spotlight (not to mention those database corruptions i mention above) and instead uses individual files for mailboxes, messages etc. I'd switch to Apple Mail and iCal if we had Exchange 2007 here at Curtin, but we are still stuck at Exchange 2003 which Apple's software doesn't support which is very frustrating. We also use shared calendars a great deal so would hope Apple's integration with Exchange 2007+ is rock solid. Of course it remains to be seen whether Microsoft's implementation of Outlook on the Mac is any good or not - I'm not holding my breath having been disappointed and frustrated too many times in the past, but we can always hope... -Mart Martin Hill mailto:mart_h...@mac.com homepages: http://web.mac.com/mart_hill Mb: 0401-103-194 hm: (08)9314-5242 On 06/08/2010, at 1:39 PM, Lloyd White wrote: I have never used Outlook, only Entourage. Is it the same, better or worse? If I upgraded to 2011 could I still use Entourage from the 2008 version? I.e. Can it be separated from the whole Office package? Lloyd Hi Neil I knew I'd seen it somewhere else earlier, and couldn't find the link,... That article you linked actually says only two versions, whereas the one I read lists three,.. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/02/microsoft-to-release-office-for-mac-201 1-in-late-october/ ---part quote--- Editions and pricing include: - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Student 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and Messenger and is priced at $119 for a single install or $149 for a Family Pack allowing up to three installs in a single household. - Microsoft Office for Mac Home and Business 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is priced at $199 for a single install or $279 for a Multi-Pack that allows a user to install Office on two of their Macs. - Microsoft Office for Mac Academic 2011: Includes Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook, and Messenger and is available for higher education students, staff, and faculty, with a single install priced at $99. This academic version may only be purchased from authorized academic stores or direct from Microsoft. ---end quote--- All pricing is US$ of course. But it lists the cheapest version for students which does indeed have Outlook. Perhaps only because it's going to have limited availability the other article didn't list it. But yes, as in good Microsoft tradition,..lets make things confusing,.. Customer:- Hi, I'd like Microsoft Office Home Edition please Salesperson - Certainly,..here it is here *Pay, go home and install, No Outlook. Go back Customer:- Oh,..where's my Outlook, it didn't install? Salesperson - Oh,...you didn't want Office Home Edition,..you wanted Office HOME Edition :o) Obviously they think some Home and Students don't do email? Either that, or they're just saying,.you have a Mac,..use
