Re: Scan Print
Hi Peter, Not familiar with Vuescan - but here are a few thoughts: When you scan, the actual scanned image size (in pixels) is determined by the physical size of the image being scanned and the scanning resolution - eg if you scan an 6 x 4 image at, say 300 pixels/inch you will get an image 1800px x 1200px. All other things being equal, when you print the print size is determined by the size of the image in pixels and the printing resolution - eg if you print the same 1800px x 1200px image at, say 150 pixels/inch you will get a printed image 12 x 8. Some programs offer the option to scale the printing to fit the actual paper - this effectively changes the printing resolution to match the pixel count to the paper size. (Some programs may? Make the unilateral decision to scale the image to the paper). Most scanning software will give you a number of options as to the file type they scan to (eg TIFF, JPG, PDF etc) - your choice here can affect your options post-scanning (though most image editing programs offer file conversion features) - eg changing the image resolution from 300ppi to 150 ppi. Depending on the printer, printer driver and software being used the print dialogue box will also offer options such as print scaling (full size, fixed %age or scale to fit paper) and setting up custom paper sizes - so you are not limited to selecting the standard A4, A3 etc. So, there are many points in the scanning, saving, printing process where image sizes can be set/changed. A few questions: When you scan the cover, what scanning resolution are you selecting and what file format are you saving as. When you open the scanned image, check the image: Size in pixels. Size in mm Resolution. Are these all showing as expected. What program are you using to open/print the image. In the print dialogue box, is the print scaling set to 100% - or something else. If none of the above actually gives you the answers to solve your curiosity (ie your image size is correct and printing is set as 100%) - then, as you say, you can always change the scaling to fix it. Before going the trial and error method, you could always try creating a custom paper size to reflect the actual printed image size you want -taking into account any printer-specific minimum borders - and then selecting this paper size and printing scaled as as Scale to fit fill entire paper (ie your custom paper size). Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.co on 25/10/10 12:34 PM, Curtis Peter at pe...@augold.com.au wrote: Hi everyone This is not important, so don't go to any trouble to answer. It's just been driving me up the wall to solve it! I've been trying to copy a DVD cover to make a backup. Using VueScan I scan the cover but when it prints it's smaller than the original I've tried all sorts of settings without success. The actual size of the cover give or take is 183mm x 273mm but comes out at 175mm x 262mm. The original size isn't a proper paper size that I can ascertain so can't be set in any way. I did try using Image Capture but the computer has ceased seeing my Epson Perfection 610, it used to once but doesn't now. I know by trial and error I could increase the size when printing which would solve the actual problem of the cover, or it doesn't really matter if it's a bit smaller, but that doesn't solve my curiosity. If you have an answer or suggestion, I'd appreciate it. Regards Peter -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au m -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Scan Print
Hi Neil All the settings I used were Auto That is Media size, Preview resolution and Scan resolution. I did play around with many settings (more than I can remember) without result. Using the scanning program (VueScan) in basic mode with auto settings and standard options I just assumed it would scan like to like and couldn't figure out why the program would change the size. The printer was set at 100% and as I said in the original email, using that option I can fix the smaller scan. The image opens in Preview. I've since scanned a A4 letter, it came out marginally smaller too. Perhaps it always has in the past and I've never noticed. I rarely scan and mainly do so in place of a photocopier As I previously said, it's not important, just baffling as I thought it would scan one to one. Regards Peter On 26/10/2010, at 3:13 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Peter, Not familiar with Vuescan - but here are a few thoughts: When you scan, the actual scanned image size (in pixels) is determined by the physical size of the image being scanned and the scanning resolution - eg if you scan an 6 x 4 image at, say 300 pixels/inch you will get an image 1800px x 1200px. All other things being equal, when you print the print size is determined by the size of the image in pixels and the printing resolution - eg if you print the same 1800px x 1200px image at, say 150 pixels/inch you will get a printed image 12 x 8. Some programs offer the option to scale the printing to fit the actual paper - this effectively changes the printing resolution to match the pixel count to the paper size. (Some programs may? Make the unilateral decision to scale the image to the paper). Most scanning software will give you a number of options as to the file type they scan to (eg TIFF, JPG, PDF etc) - your choice here can affect your options post-scanning (though most image editing programs offer file conversion features) - eg changing the image resolution from 300ppi to 150 ppi. Depending on the printer, printer driver and software being used the print dialogue box will also offer options such as print scaling (full size, fixed %age or scale to fit paper) and setting up custom paper sizes - so you are not limited to selecting the standard A4, A3 etc. So, there are many points in the scanning, saving, printing process where image sizes can be set/changed. A few questions: When you scan the cover, what scanning resolution are you selecting and what file format are you saving as. When you open the scanned image, check the image: Size in pixels. Size in mm Resolution. Are these all showing as expected. What program are you using to open/print the image. In the print dialogue box, is the print scaling set to 100% - or something else. If none of the above actually gives you the answers to solve your curiosity (ie your image size is correct and printing is set as 100%) - then, as you say, you can always change the scaling to fix it. Before going the trial and error method, you could always try creating a custom paper size to reflect the actual printed image size you want -taking into account any printer-specific minimum borders - and then selecting this paper size and printing scaled as as Scale to fit fill entire paper (ie your custom paper size). Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.co on 25/10/10 12:34 PM, Curtis Peter at pe...@augold.com.au wrote: Hi everyone This is not important, so don't go to any trouble to answer. It's just been driving me up the wall to solve it! I've been trying to copy a DVD cover to make a backup. Using VueScan I scan the cover but when it prints it's smaller than the original I've tried all sorts of settings without success. The actual size of the cover give or take is 183mm x 273mm but comes out at 175mm x 262mm. The original size isn't a proper paper size that I can ascertain so can't be set in any way. I did try using Image Capture but the computer has ceased seeing my Epson Perfection 610, it used to once but doesn't now. I know by trial and error I could increase the size when printing which would solve the actual problem of the cover, or it doesn't really matter if it's a bit smaller, but that doesn't solve my curiosity. If you have an answer or suggestion, I'd appreciate it. Regards Peter -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au m -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing
Re: Scan Print
Hmmm, Not enough info to go on here, really. One thought - the auto settings could be scaling to account for printer borders - which would reduce things slightly. Eg, for an A4 page, the scanner can scan the full A4 size but (unless you have a borderless printer with borderless printing set) when you select A4 paper you have a print area which is A4 size less the printer borders. Your printer is set at 100% - which means that the scanned image is not scaled to match to the paper size when printing - however the auto settings that Vuescan uses may have scaled the scanning - so that the scanned image is slightly smaller to allow for printer margins. Not sure why it would do it for a DVD cover which is smaller than the A4 paper though. As I say, without more info, this is just a guess. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 26/10/10 3:59 PM, Curtis Peter at pe...@augold.com.au wrote: Hi Neil All the settings I used were Auto That is Media size, Preview resolution and Scan resolution. I did play around with many settings (more than I can remember) without result. Using the scanning program (VueScan) in basic mode with auto settings and standard options I just assumed it would scan like to like and couldn't figure out why the program would change the size. The printer was set at 100% and as I said in the original email, using that option I can fix the smaller scan. The image opens in Preview. I've since scanned a A4 letter, it came out marginally smaller too. Perhaps it always has in the past and I've never noticed. I rarely scan and mainly do so in place of a photocopier As I previously said, it's not important, just baffling as I thought it would scan one to one. Regards Peter On 26/10/2010, at 3:13 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Peter, Not familiar with Vuescan - but here are a few thoughts: When you scan, the actual scanned image size (in pixels) is determined by the physical size of the image being scanned and the scanning resolution - eg if you scan an 6 x 4 image at, say 300 pixels/inch you will get an image 1800px x 1200px. All other things being equal, when you print the print size is determined by the size of the image in pixels and the printing resolution - eg if you print the same 1800px x 1200px image at, say 150 pixels/inch you will get a printed image 12 x 8. Some programs offer the option to scale the printing to fit the actual paper - this effectively changes the printing resolution to match the pixel count to the paper size. (Some programs may? Make the unilateral decision to scale the image to the paper). Most scanning software will give you a number of options as to the file type they scan to (eg TIFF, JPG, PDF etc) - your choice here can affect your options post-scanning (though most image editing programs offer file conversion features) - eg changing the image resolution from 300ppi to 150 ppi. Depending on the printer, printer driver and software being used the print dialogue box will also offer options such as print scaling (full size, fixed %age or scale to fit paper) and setting up custom paper sizes - so you are not limited to selecting the standard A4, A3 etc. So, there are many points in the scanning, saving, printing process where image sizes can be set/changed. A few questions: When you scan the cover, what scanning resolution are you selecting and what file format are you saving as. When you open the scanned image, check the image: Size in pixels. Size in mm Resolution. Are these all showing as expected. What program are you using to open/print the image. In the print dialogue box, is the print scaling set to 100% - or something else. If none of the above actually gives you the answers to solve your curiosity (ie your image size is correct and printing is set as 100%) - then, as you say, you can always change the scaling to fix it. Before going the trial and error method, you could always try creating a custom paper size to reflect the actual printed image size you want -taking into account any printer-specific minimum borders - and then selecting this paper size and printing scaled as as Scale to fit fill entire paper (ie your custom paper size). Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.co on 25/10/10 12:34 PM, Curtis Peter at pe...@augold.com.au wrote: Hi everyone This is not important, so don't go to any trouble to answer. It's just been driving me up the wall to solve it! I've been trying to copy a DVD cover to make a backup. Using VueScan I scan the cover but when it prints it's smaller than the original I've tried all sorts of settings without success. The actual size of the cover give or take is 183mm x 273mm but comes out at 175mm x 262mm. The original size isn't a proper
Re: Scan Print
Hi Neil I think you've hit the nail on the head! Although the DVD cover is smaller, the actual scan was either Auto (probably A4) or A4. This would account for the problem, and answers the query. Thank you for your effort. Regards Peter On 26/10/2010, at 4:31 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hmmm, Not enough info to go on here, really. One thought - the auto settings could be scaling to account for printer borders - which would reduce things slightly. Eg, for an A4 page, the scanner can scan the full A4 size but (unless you have a borderless printer with borderless printing set) when you select A4 paper you have a print area which is A4 size less the printer borders. Your printer is set at 100% - which means that the scanned image is not scaled to match to the paper size when printing - however the auto settings that Vuescan uses may have scaled the scanning - so that the scanned image is slightly smaller to allow for printer margins. Not sure why it would do it for a DVD cover which is smaller than the A4 paper though. As I say, without more info, this is just a guess. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 26/10/10 3:59 PM, Curtis Peter at pe...@augold.com.au wrote: Hi Neil All the settings I used were Auto That is Media size, Preview resolution and Scan resolution. I did play around with many settings (more than I can remember) without result. Using the scanning program (VueScan) in basic mode with auto settings and standard options I just assumed it would scan like to like and couldn't figure out why the program would change the size. The printer was set at 100% and as I said in the original email, using that option I can fix the smaller scan. The image opens in Preview. I've since scanned a A4 letter, it came out marginally smaller too. Perhaps it always has in the past and I've never noticed. I rarely scan and mainly do so in place of a photocopier As I previously said, it's not important, just baffling as I thought it would scan one to one. Regards Peter On 26/10/2010, at 3:13 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Peter, Not familiar with Vuescan - but here are a few thoughts: When you scan, the actual scanned image size (in pixels) is determined by the physical size of the image being scanned and the scanning resolution - eg if you scan an 6 x 4 image at, say 300 pixels/inch you will get an image 1800px x 1200px. All other things being equal, when you print the print size is determined by the size of the image in pixels and the printing resolution - eg if you print the same 1800px x 1200px image at, say 150 pixels/inch you will get a printed image 12 x 8. Some programs offer the option to scale the printing to fit the actual paper - this effectively changes the printing resolution to match the pixel count to the paper size. (Some programs may? Make the unilateral decision to scale the image to the paper). Most scanning software will give you a number of options as to the file type they scan to (eg TIFF, JPG, PDF etc) - your choice here can affect your options post-scanning (though most image editing programs offer file conversion features) - eg changing the image resolution from 300ppi to 150 ppi. Depending on the printer, printer driver and software being used the print dialogue box will also offer options such as print scaling (full size, fixed %age or scale to fit paper) and setting up custom paper sizes - so you are not limited to selecting the standard A4, A3 etc. So, there are many points in the scanning, saving, printing process where image sizes can be set/changed. A few questions: When you scan the cover, what scanning resolution are you selecting and what file format are you saving as. When you open the scanned image, check the image: Size in pixels. Size in mm Resolution. Are these all showing as expected. What program are you using to open/print the image. In the print dialogue box, is the print scaling set to 100% - or something else. If none of the above actually gives you the answers to solve your curiosity (ie your image size is correct and printing is set as 100%) - then, as you say, you can always change the scaling to fix it. Before going the trial and error method, you could always try creating a custom paper size to reflect the actual printed image size you want -taking into account any printer-specific minimum borders - and then selecting this paper size and printing scaled as as Scale to fit fill entire paper (ie your custom paper size). Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.co on 25/10/10 12:34 PM, Curtis Peter at pe...@augold.com.au wrote: Hi everyone This is not important, so don't go to any trouble to answer. It's just been driving me up the wall to solve
Any OS 9 tragics?
I have the Adobe Publishing Collection...manuals, disks etc and I need to clear some space. Anyone still play with OS 9 and could use this package which will otherwise go to landfill? Photoshop, Illustrator. Pagemaker and Acrobat. regards Kevin -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Any OS 9 tragics?
HI kevin are they in book form? i will take them off your hands if still available. many thanks. regards Lynn... :) - Original Message - From: KEVIN Lock kal...@iinet.net.au To: wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 26 October, 2010 3:52:17 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: Any OS 9 tragics? I have the Adobe Publishing Collection...manuals, disks etc and I need to clear some space. Anyone still play with OS 9 and could use this package which will otherwise go to landfill? Photoshop, Illustrator. Pagemaker and Acrobat. regards Kevin -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Scan Print
Peter, I used VueScan 8.6.63 under MacOS 10.6.4 with a Canoscan 9950F scanner to scan a 166.5 mm wide grayscale picture. The VueScan settings were Mode: Flatbed; Media: Colour photo; Media Size: Auto; Bits per Pixel: 8 bit Gray; Scan Resolution: 300 dpi. Saved as a TIFF file. In PhotoShop 12.0.1 x64 the measure tool showed the image as 165.8 mm wide; a 0.4% reduction in size. I opened the image in Preview 5.0.2 (504) and printed to a HP LaserJet 6MP, which is an A4-size laser printer, with a HP Laserjet 6MP - Gutenprint v 5.2.3 print driver. Preview's print settings suggested a reduction of 89%, but I forced it to 100%. The resulting print was 148.3 mm wide, which is 89% of the original, an 11% reduction! Reopened the image in PhotoShop and printed to the same printer. at 100% scaling. Got a cropping message and ignored it. This image was 164.5 mm wide; a 1.2% size reduction. So, the culprit seems to be Preview .0.2 (504) on 25/10/10 12:34 PM, Curtis Peter at pe...@augold.com.au wrote: Hi everyone This is not important, so don't go to any trouble to answer. It's just been driving me up the wall to solve it! I've been trying to copy a DVD cover to make a backup. Using VueScan I scan the cover but when it prints it's smaller than the original I've tried all sorts of settings without success. The actual size of the cover give or take is 183mm x 273mm but comes out at 175mm x 262mm. The original size isn't a proper paper size that I can ascertain so can't be set in any way. I did try using Image Capture but the computer has ceased seeing my Epson Perfection 610, it used to once but doesn't now. I know by trial and error I could increase the size when printing which would solve the actual problem of the cover, or it doesn't really matter if it's a bit smaller, but that doesn't solve my curiosity. If you have an answer or suggestion, I'd appreciate it. Regards Peter Regards, Ray Forma Tel +61 (0)8 9335 6568 Mob +61 (0) 428 596938 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Any OS 9 tragics?
Yours thanks! 94183869 Kev HI kevin are they in book form? i will take them off your hands if still available. many thanks. regards Lynn... :) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer
To help other users of MacOS 10.6 and later I report on the solution to my problem of MacOS 10.6 no longer having the ability to talk AppleTalk to old but trusty laser printers. Many thanks to Geoffrey Thomlinson, David Noel, and Ronda Brown for steering me in the right direction. 1 I bought the recommended HP LaserDirect 300X print server via eBay from an Adelaide supplier, and connected it to my Ethernet network, and to the printer via a parallel cable. Found that the print server was made in 1998. 2 Downloaded the manuals for the print server from the HP website. 3 From the installation manual found out how to reset all of the print server's settings. The procedure: While holding down the Test button on the print server, plug the power module into the print server and continue to hold down the Test button for five seconds. All previous configuration settings are erased. 4 From the Administrator's Guide found out that the print server generates an IP address of 192.0.0.192 two minutes after a reset. 5 Used System Preference/ Print and Fax to set up a HP jetdirect - Socket protocol printer with IP address 192.0.0.192 and HP Laserjet 6MP - Gutenprint v 5.2.3 print driver. 6 Printed a page with images and it worked! 7 Switched off DHCP and set a fixed IP address in the print server, using terminal and several arcane instructions as per the Administrator's guide. This was recommended to stop the print server from automatically changing IP address. Installed a new printer with the relevant IP address. Tried a test print. Printer not found. #%*#! 8 Once again reset the print driver, waited two minutes, and used my original printer setting. Printing is fine once again. Have switched off and on both computer and print driver several times since, and found no DHCP problems. Moral of the story; don't bother with step 7 despite what several websites advise. 9 You may be interested to know that other computers on my network that use MacOS 10.5 and lower are still happily printing to the printer through the new print server, using their old AppleTalk settings. No changes needed at any time. 10 After all that I hope that my trusty HP LaserJet 6MP and the print server last for another 10 years. Regards, Ray Forma Tel +61 (0)8 9335 6568 Mob +61 (0) 428 596938 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: MacOS 10.6 and appletalk printer
Hi Ray -- -- Thanks very much for all the work you put into this, and congratulations on your final victory! I'm in China at the moment, but I'll certainly try to emulate your success when I'm back home next month. Cheers -- David Noel 2010 Oct 26 == On 26 October 2010 19:13, Ray Forma r...@smartchat.net.au wrote: To help other users of MacOS 10.6 and later I report on the solution to my problem of MacOS 10.6 no longer having the ability to talk AppleTalk to old but trusty laser printers. Many thanks to Geoffrey Thomlinson, David Noel, and Ronda Brown for steering me in the right direction. 1 I bought the recommended HP LaserDirect 300X print server via eBay from an Adelaide supplier, and connected it to my Ethernet network, and to the printer via a parallel cable. Found that the print server was made in 1998. 2 Downloaded the manuals for the print server from the HP website. 3 From the installation manual found out how to reset all of the print server's settings. The procedure: While holding down the Test button on the print server, plug the power module into the print server and continue to hold down the Test button for five seconds. All previous configuration settings are erased. 4 From the Administrator's Guide found out that the print server generates an IP address of 192.0.0.192 two minutes after a reset. 5 Used System Preference/ Print and Fax to set up a HP jetdirect - Socket protocol printer with IP address 192.0.0.192 and HP Laserjet 6MP - Gutenprint v 5.2.3 print driver. 6 Printed a page with images and it worked! 7 Switched off DHCP and set a fixed IP address in the print server, using terminal and several arcane instructions as per the Administrator's guide. This was recommended to stop the print server from automatically changing IP address. Installed a new printer with the relevant IP address. Tried a test print. Printer not found. #%*#! 8 Once again reset the print driver, waited two minutes, and used my original printer setting. Printing is fine once again. Have switched off and on both computer and print driver several times since, and found no DHCP problems. Moral of the story; don't bother with step 7 despite what several websites advise. 9 You may be interested to know that other computers on my network that use MacOS 10.5 and lower are still happily printing to the printer through the new print server, using their old AppleTalk settings. No changes needed at any time. 10 After all that I hope that my trusty HP LaserJet 6MP and the print server last for another 10 years. Regards, Ray Forma Tel +61 (0)8 9335 6568 Mob +61 (0) 428 596938 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Any OS 9 tragics?
I have the Adobe Publishing Collection...manuals, disks etc and I need to clear some space. Anyone still play with OS 9 and could use this package which will otherwise go to landfill? Photoshop, Illustrator. Pagemaker and Acrobat. regards Kevin -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
