Writing to PDF
Thank you all for your responses. I didn't realise preview had that capacity, for the odd time I require it I think that will do me. Mind you, I'll still look at the other suggestions. Once again, many thanks Regards Peter -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Writing to PDF
Hi Peter, Preview is a very useful application with a lot of hidden powers. This is an old article written in 2008 'Preview’s hidden powers' but still relevant to current Preview Application 8 things you didn’t know you could do with this built-in tool http://www.macworld.com/article/132468/2008/04/workingmac2504.html I just cant at the moment locate a really good document I have 'somewhere' on my Mac about Preview. If I find it I'll post again ;-) Cheers, Ronni On 27/06/2012, at 2:48 PM, Curtis Peter wrote: Thank you all for your responses. I didn't realise preview had that capacity, for the odd time I require it I think that will do me. Mind you, I'll still look at the other suggestions. Once again, many thanks Regards Peter -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Offsite backup
I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to back up securely offsite. iCloud looks pricey! Are there cheaper alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar. Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Offsite backup
Hi Severin, If you have an alternative site to store it, you can also go with the rotating disk approach - disk 1 at home, disk 2 offsite - and rotate them on a weekly (or other) basis. Officeworks Albany are doing a really good deal on the 500GB WD MyPassport Studio (FW800 USB2.0) - I bought one the other week for $89 (along with an Airport Extreme for $45 and an Airport Express for $37.50!) but it's even better now: I saw online somewhere that they had dropped the price on the Studio drive to $67 - but that they were mostly sold out. I checked their clearance section online - which confirmed the $67 price but said sold out: http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Data-Storage/Pocke t-Hard-Drives/WDBE0500SL However, I remembered that there had been a few units at Albany and went in on Monday to check - they still had a few and so I got another couple to do just what you are talking about (keep one off-site and rotate between them) they still had the $89 clearance sign up - but they scanned at $67 ;o)). As of Monday they still had 3 or 4 units left (after my purchase) so you may be lucky. (The Airport Extremes and Aiport Expresses seem to have gone though). Note that this drive has just been superseded by this one: http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Data-Storage/Pocke t-Hard-Drives/WDAL500BK The new model has the advantage of 2 FW800 ports - rather than the single FW800 port of the clearance model - however, they want $179 for that - whereas you could get 2 of the clearance model for $134 ;o) Just a thought ;o) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 27/6/12 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to back up securely offsite. iCloud looks pricey! Are there cheaper alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar. Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Offsite backup
Thanks, Neil. Even though I do not have an alternative site, well maybe I do?, I might nip in to OfficeWorks tomorrow, that is a price not to go past for an extra drive on the shelf, as if I needed any more. An offsite Time Machine would be ideal. I am sure you are snug and warm inside, it is very cold and windy and wet outside here on Mount Clarence right now! Cheers Severin On 27/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Severin, If you have an alternative site to store it, you can also go with the rotating disk approach - disk 1 at home, disk 2 offsite - and rotate them on a weekly (or other) basis. Officeworks Albany are doing a really good deal on the 500GB WD MyPassport Studio (FW800 USB2.0) - I bought one the other week for $89 (along with an Airport Extreme for $45 and an Airport Express for $37.50!) but it's even better now: I saw online somewhere that they had dropped the price on the Studio drive to $67 - but that they were mostly sold out. I checked their clearance section online - which confirmed the $67 price but said sold out: http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Data-Storage/Pocke t-Hard-Drives/WDBE0500SL However, I remembered that there had been a few units at Albany and went in on Monday to check - they still had a few and so I got another couple to do just what you are talking about (keep one off-site and rotate between them) they still had the $89 clearance sign up - but they scanned at $67 ;o)). As of Monday they still had 3 or 4 units left (after my purchase) so you may be lucky. (The Airport Extremes and Aiport Expresses seem to have gone though). Note that this drive has just been superseded by this one: http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Technology/Data-Storage/Pocke t-Hard-Drives/WDAL500BK The new model has the advantage of 2 FW800 ports - rather than the single FW800 port of the clearance model - however, they want $179 for that - whereas you could get 2 of the clearance model for $134 ;o) Just a thought ;o) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 27/6/12 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to back up securely offsite. iCloud looks pricey! Are there cheaper alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar. Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Offsite backup
Hi Severin, Are you meaning Online Backup or Offsite Backup. By mentioning iCloud I presumed you meant Online Backup? If so, you need to check the security of each service and the price. Most are very expensive especially for the amount of Data you are thinking of storing. And remember to upload or download from 'Online Backup' can take days for that amount of data! ;-) A few links for you below: Online Backup Services: Which online backup service is right for you? http://www.macworld.com/article/1156511/whatonlinebackupservice.html 7 Web services that let you back up files and restore them from anywhere Bit outdated as written in 2009 http://www.macworld.com/article/1142606/online_backup.html 6 of the best online backup services for Mac http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/6-of-the-best-online-backup-services-for-mac-929115 2012 Best Online Data Backup Comparisons and Reviews http://online-data-backup-review.toptenreviews.com/ 27 Online Backup Services Reviewed A List of the Best Online Backup Services http://pcsupport.about.com/od/maintenance/tp/online_backup_services.htm Online Cloud Backup Reviews Ratings http://www.nextadvisor.com/online_backup_services/index.php Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.4 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 27/06/2012, at 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to back up securely offsite. iCloud looks pricey! Are there cheaper alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar. Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Offsite backup
Thanks Ronni, yes, I was confused. Originally I was thinking Online Time Machine but that is too expensive as far as I can see. Neil's suggestion of offsite with swapping a couple of drives seems the way to go. I have not only my own stuff but also critical material belonging to other people that I have trebly backed up at home but which needs an away from home repository and also easy access by others if I happen to suddenly cark it. Thanks for confirming what was more or less apparent, hope you are warm and snug at home today, cold wet and windy here right now! Severin On 27/06/2012, at 5:28 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Severin, Are you meaning Online Backup or Offsite Backup. By mentioning iCloud I presumed you meant Online Backup? If so, you need to check the security of each service and the price. Most are very expensive especially for the amount of Data you are thinking of storing. And remember to upload or download from 'Online Backup' can take days for that amount of data! ;-) A few links for you below: Online Backup Services: Which online backup service is right for you? http://www.macworld.com/article/1156511/whatonlinebackupservice.html 7 Web services that let you back up files and restore them from anywhere Bit outdated as written in 2009 http://www.macworld.com/article/1142606/online_backup.html 6 of the best online backup services for Mac http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/6-of-the-best-online-backup-services-for-mac-929115 2012 Best Online Data Backup Comparisons and Reviews http://online-data-backup-review.toptenreviews.com/ 27 Online Backup Services Reviewed A List of the Best Online Backup Services http://pcsupport.about.com/od/maintenance/tp/online_backup_services.htm Online Cloud Backup Reviews Ratings http://www.nextadvisor.com/online_backup_services/index.php Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.4 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 27/06/2012, at 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to back up securely offsite. iCloud looks pricey! Are there cheaper alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar. Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Offsite backup
Have you thought about storing offsite backups in a Bank Vault. Probably safer and cheaper than other 'offsite' options. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 27/06/2012, at 5:28 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote: Hi Severin, Are you meaning Online Backup or Offsite Backup. By mentioning iCloud I presumed you meant Online Backup? If so, you need to check the security of each service and the price. Most are very expensive especially for the amount of Data you are thinking of storing. And remember to upload or download from 'Online Backup' can take days for that amount of data! ;-) A few links for you below: Online Backup Services: Which online backup service is right for you? http://www.macworld.com/article/1156511/whatonlinebackupservice.html 7 Web services that let you back up files and restore them from anywhere Bit outdated as written in 2009 http://www.macworld.com/article/1142606/online_backup.html 6 of the best online backup services for Mac http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/6-of-the-best-online-backup-services-for-mac-929115 2012 Best Online Data Backup Comparisons and Reviews http://online-data-backup-review.toptenreviews.com/ 27 Online Backup Services Reviewed A List of the Best Online Backup Services http://pcsupport.about.com/od/maintenance/tp/online_backup_services.htm Online Cloud Backup Reviews Ratings http://www.nextadvisor.com/online_backup_services/index.php Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.4 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 27/06/2012, at 3:47 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: I have a significant amount of material (up to 200GB) that I would like to back up securely offsite. iCloud looks pricey! Are there cheaper alternatives - I am looking at weekly backup updates or similar. Severin Crisp Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Adieu
I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I need to be careful. I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. Peter Sealy Thurgoona AUSTRALIA -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Adieu
Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact. From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself. I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly dialogue. I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. Regards, Eugene On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I need to be careful. I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. Peter Sealy Thurgoona AUSTRALIA -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Adieu
Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact. From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself. I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly dialogue. I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. Regards, Eugene On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I need to be careful. I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. Peter Sealy Thurgoona AUSTRALIA -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Adieu
I'm afraid I'll need to exit also, as a remote member with no way of participating in any of the other WAMUG niceties, but happy to join the the ACT email list Peter. I couldn't see any obvious instructions at its website though. What do I do ? Cheers, Steven On 27/06/2012, at 9:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I need to be careful. I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. Peter Sealy Thurgoona AUSTRALIA -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the prospec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact. From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself. I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly dialogue. I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. Regards, Eugene On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I need to be careful. I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. Peter Sealy Thurgoona AUSTRALIA -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives -
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It does sound like the shutters are going up. That's a pity. But as a 'lurker' of some 12 years or so I too should say farewell while the opportunity is still there. In particular, 'farewell' to people who, like Eugene have lived on the fringe of the WAMUG pool but contribute knowledgeably if infrequently. One of the virtues of this group in the past has been its diversity… Anyway - good luck! And thanks… peter meyer On 27/06/2012, at 10:17 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: I'm afraid I'll need to exit also, as a remote member with no way of participating in any of the other WAMUG niceties, but happy to join the the ACT email list Peter. I couldn't see any obvious instructions at its website though. What do I do ? Cheers, Steven On 27/06/2012, at 9:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I need to be careful. I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but now live in Albury. We do not require paid membership of our MUG to join our email Help List. Merely being a Mac enthusiast is sufficient. That said we don't have many non-Group members in the List and if any of you sought to send your electrons eastward we would make you welcome. The warning is that our List is nowhere as active or cerebral as yours. Athough we do publish a monthly Newsletter (for financial members). Best wishes, see you in the Mac cloud. Thank you for the camaraderie. Peter Sealy Thurgoona AUSTRALIA -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the prosp ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact. From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself. I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly dialogue. I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. Regards, Eugene On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is
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Hi Tim You can't really make a judgement on if the fee is small or not, it might be small for you but for others it may not be! I haven't decided if to join or not as of yet as I also have other needs for what money I have and it has to be balanced out. Regards Roger On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the pros p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact. From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself. I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly dialogue. I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. Regards, Eugene On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group
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Hi, I ve been at times a financial member of the group and during those times attended meetings, enjoyed the company and experience of other members. Paying a due for this I agree was and is fair and equitable. This list has IMHO has developed from those early days and maybe now has become a mixed role between an user group and a club newsletter. I belong to several other usergroups unrelated to Macs for which I get advice, help and opinions free of charge. If this is now no longer a user group forum but in fact a newsletter for finacial members then I would probably not join. A question I have is if I now have to pay for this advice or privelege what are my rights and your liabilities. regards john Sent from my iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:26 AM, Roger Kortas rkor...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Tim You can't really make a judgement on if the fee is small or not, it might be small for you but for others it may not be! I haven't decided if to join or not as of yet as I also have other needs for what money I have and it has to be balanced out. Regards Roger On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the pro s p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin
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I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there and a warrantied paid service technician. Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past. Hugh Subject: Re: Adieu From: cm200...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800 To: wamug@wamug.org.au Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the prosp ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments impacted and eventually curtailed my physical presence at these meetings but with the advent of the internet and the WAMUG mailing list I was able to maintain contact. From time to time I contributed to solutions, aiding in problem solving and at other times was quite delighted at the quick and accurate response from others when I encountered problems myself. I thank this community of Macintosh fanatics as I have enjoyed the friendly dialogue. I wish you all the best as you move into the next phase of WAMUG. Regards, Eugene On 27/06/2012, at 7:00 PM, Peter Sealy wrote: I would like to say adieu to you good folks as 30 Jun is just about here. I have not contributed a great deal to this group partly because by the time I have got around to reading any email which I could have answered someone else has answered the question, most often of course the indefatigable and amazing Ronni. That in no way dimishes the effort put in by many others to contribute to the group. The other reason for the paucity of my contribution is that I see myself as a minnow in the Mac geekdom. As an Age pensioner I have to ration my memberships to social organisations and while the membership fee may be 'only' a small amount to you still working, I need to be careful. I am the List Admin and Moderator of the ACT Apple Help Email List which keeps me busy in observing the Mac webosphere. And as a paid up member of this august group, that cuts out my 'hobby' fees. I lived in Canberra for many years but now live in
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I agree Tim. I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that is their choice to make. The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for one email support issue. I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud their decision. Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the pros p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm, Eugene de Gouw wrote: Like Peter I too must send my final farewells as this will likely be the last time I am able to write to the list. I have been associated with WAMUG virtually since its inception, attending meetings at Curtin University in the early years. Family and work commitments impacted and eventually
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On 27/06/2012, at 12:56 PM, cm wrote: Hi David, In a pinch you could use the signature tool for freehand sketching but it would be incredibly cumbersome. The signature tool is designed to add a previously recorded line drawing (signature or otherwise) to a PDF. You record the line drawing by writing on a sheet of paper and photographing the writing using your iSight camera. Here is a youtube video that does an excellent job of explaining the Preview signature tool (with thanks to Reg Whitely who first published the link): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMlUcXfa8jg A freehand sketch tool on the other hand allows one to annotate a PDF using a mouse or digitizing tablet. You can actually draw cursive lines on the PDF in the colour and width of your choosing and save the annotation with the PDF for others to read. You could use this feature to sign a PDF if you choose but you could also do other things like write mathematical formulae or just scribble. :-) Regards, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 12:41 , David Noel wrote: -- Hi Carlo, how does the signature capture mechanism work? Could you do a sketch and pretend it's a signature to add it to a PDF? david Just be aware that the signature feature is only available in the Lion version of Preview. It is not present in previous versions. I endorse Severin's recommendation of PDFPen, which among many other things lets you actually replace existing text in an PDF document. You might also consider looking at PDF Nomad which, like PDFPen, lets you add form elements to an existing PDF. The total purchase price of all of the available options is greatly less than Adobe Acrobat. Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk. For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . Mike. On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: I agree Tim. I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that is their choice to make. The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for one email support issue. I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud their decision. Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the pro s p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and
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Perhaps a scaled or at least student, pensioner discount...low income fee could apply etc...organisational could be higher and sole trader for business etc.lower ...just a thought.Warren Warren Iannello “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.”Lao Tzu Dunedata Consultancy Safety ,Sustainability ,Management Customised training/facilitation for Industrial and Community/NGO's Office; 7/31 Pakenham St. Fremantle 6160,W.A. Contact; wk. email; duned...@me.com mob. 0408883491 L/line 08 93361450 web. http://web.me.com/dunedata/ Blogs; http://dunedata.blogspot.com/ http://www.onsitesafe.blogspot.com/ On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell wrote: I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk. For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . Mike. On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: I agree Tim. I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that is their choice to make. The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for one email support issue. I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud their decision. Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee
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For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . What has that site got to do with Apple or support? Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell michael.bramw...@me.com wrote: I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk. For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . Mike. On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: I agree Tim. I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that is their choice to make. The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for one email support issue. I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud their decision. Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the pr o s p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely
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To paraphrase from the site its a community driven QA site for users of Apple hardware and software. On 28/06/2012, at 9:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . What has that site got to do with Apple or support? Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell michael.bramw...@me.com wrote: I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk. For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . Mike. On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: I agree Tim. I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that is their choice to make. The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for one email support issue. I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud their decision. Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the p r o s p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is
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Ahh bad link sorry. http://apple.stackexchange.com/ On 28/06/2012, at 10:28 AM, Michael Bramwell wrote: To paraphrase from the site its a community driven QA site for users of Apple hardware and software. On 28/06/2012, at 9:52 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . What has that site got to do with Apple or support? Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 9:12 AM, Michael Bramwell michael.bramw...@me.com wrote: I'm pretty new to the list and was surprised to see these new rules applied to an email list. I'm on a few and charging for the right to post is something I have never come across before and seems a little odd. My initial thoughts were that its a good way to put a big dent in the active community that is here. Having said that it sounds like a lot of thought was put in to the decision so all the best with that, I'm happy to lurk. For the rest of us there is always apple.stackechange.com . Mike. On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: I agree Tim. I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that is their choice to make. The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for one email support issue. I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud their decision. Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the p r o s p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after
Re: Adieu
Without adding to the fuel on the flamewar fire,... But yes, if people don't want to become a financial member, there is nothing stopping them from reading the list still and deciding if/when they require help, they can then sign up. There is a lot of cost involved in running the list, hosting, and other costs. Let alone the time and resources that the Committee put in behind the scenes. (of which they receive no monetary reward, it's all their time and resources put in for free). There is no real advertising on this list. (Have you been to some of the other lists that have advertising everywhere?). Plus you only have to look around at other support costs. Apple charge $99 per incident outside of Applecare warranty. (or the free 90 day phone support). Go to a Genius bar? You'd probably spend $30 on petrol/travelling costs/your time/parking costs! lol Other places charge $20-$75 for phone/email support. (myself included I have a fee for email support/consulting. As does Ronni for her offlist support). Which is fair enough if places want to charge. As someone else said it's a user-paid world we live in today. Lawyers, Accountants etc all charge. People have to make a living. So compared to the single support cost, this yearly membership is well worth it. And lastly, from the survey that was done, most people were happy to pay a fee and comments were that the list should/could be paid. That was a survey completed by the members, and the committee spent a long period of time discussing it. (let alone getting it all place). I could go on, but I think they are the main points I wanted to make. Again, I'm not trying to add to it, I'm just adding a few of my own views, Enjoy! :o) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 28/06/2012, at 8:12 AM, hugh griffiths wrote: I too have considered leaving as I do not attend the meetings, but Carlo's suggestion makes sense, I will continue to read the list ( as i enjoy it!) and if in future I need help I will weight the cost of the 30$ for a large group of expert opinion against advice from the other free lists out there and a warrantied paid service technician. Thanks for the valuable help I have received in the past. Hugh Subject: Re: Adieu From: cm200...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:06:13 +0800 To: wamug@wamug.org.au Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac consultants. So if at some future time you need a consultant, consider joining our list and with luck we will all pitch in, fix the problem, and you will come out financially ahead. The second solution I would like to offer is that at the next committee meeting we will discuss some bursaries for members who really cannot afford to pay the membership fee. This would be entirely confidential between the pros p ec tive member and WAMUG. If the committee is in agreement you will see a mail out on this subject after the next committee meeting on July 17 and our website will be updated to reflect this. So I really hope this is arrivederci rather than adieu, and if not we are grateful for your contribution to WAMUG. All the best, Carlo On 27/06/2012, at 21:34 , Reg Whitely wrote: Dear Eugene I have never met you but you have helped me, and so many others others, in so many ways on the WAMUG mailing list. As I have said to Peter, I have appreciated all responses to my queries from you, and from others on this mailing list, for many years, and want this to continue. Please do not discard the WAMUG Ship yet. Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 27/06/2012, at 7:54 pm,
Re: Adieu
Hi all, I'm not sure that the attitude expressed by Peter and Eugene is one of expecting others to subsidise their Mac support. I think there is a valid expression here that many long time members of the list (myself included), who over the journey have offered more replies/answers than questions, will now no longer be able to contribute unless they become a financial member. Paying a fee to request support is one thing, paying a fee to offer a solution is quite another. The committee's decision is based on the need to give value to those who pay the WAMUG subscription, which I guess is fair enough. The risk you run here is that you will actually devalue the membership through the potential loss of your knowledge base that contributes to the list. You also run the risk of making a rod for your own back in that the success of the list becomes ever more reliant on a smaller cohort of good folk to answer all queries. What happens when those people move on, or contribute less due to other commitments? An open list encourages perpetuity. Anyway, theses points have probably all been raised by the committee and the decision has been reached. I do wish the WAMUG list well, I hope it continues to serve as an effective User Group. Regards, Matt Matt Huitson IT Manager School of Psychology IT Manager Faculty of Life and Physical Sciences University of Western Australia 35 Stirling Highway Crawley, WA 6009 Australia Work +61 8 6488 2507 matt.huit...@uwa.edu.aumailto:matt.huit...@uwa.edu.au On 28/06/2012, at 8:20 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: I agree Tim. I also have only been to one WAMUG meeting, but I have been a financial member of WAMUG for years. The financial members of WAMUG have made it possible for WAMUG and the mailing list to continue. Without the financial members there would not be WAMUG or the mailing list! I also know that times are tough and trying to make our money go around is difficult. But that is for the individual person to decide; if they don't use the mailing list to ask for support and feel they cannot afford the $30, that is their choice to make. The level of support and information that is given on our mailing list for an annual fee of $30 is more than reasonable. A consultant will charge that for one email support issue. I am disappointed in some members attitudes that they expect the support, but expect others to pay to keep that support possible. The committee has taken a long hard time to make this decision and I applaud their decision. Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 28/06/2012, at 7:15 AM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.aumailto:t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote: Since I bought my first Mac in 1989, I've attended one WAMUG meeting. But I've learned heaps from receiving the list emails, and been able to ask a question or two over the years. For me WAMUG IS the email list. I agree with Carlo, and the minimal cost is completely reasonable to receive reliable accurate info and feedback. This is unlike other non computer forums that I participate in where users are all amateurs and their contributions are only as accurate as their experiences. I urge caution for the committee providing free access based on requests from members. If it is based on the applicants ability to add value to the list, then that is one matter, but to make assessment on income is likely to get bogged down in value judgements, comparisons between applicants and other messy things, all for such a small amount of money. I think it's a shame that people are seeing this small fee as a reason to exit the list. We live in a user pays world, I support the committees decision. Tim Sent from my iPad On 27/06/2012, at 23:06, cm cm200...@gmail.commailto:cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter and Eugene and other list members, We list followers are really grateful for your contributions over the years and we contributors are honoured to have been able to help you out on other occasions. I just wanted to let you know that there is no need at all to end your connection with WAMUG. You will still be able to read any and all posts to the list, and you will still continue to receive WAMUG emails to your inbox unless you choose to stop them. Also if you ever happen to be passing through Perth, meetings are open to all and we would love to see you there. The decision to allow posting to only members was not made lightly. Running the list has a very real cost, both financial and in the time of contributors, fairness dictates that those who pay the membership fee are entitled to use the service above other persons who join, post a random question or put up for sale a piece of equipment, and then disappear. Sadly neither of you, Peter and Eugene, are anywhere near to this category of user so I have two solutions to suggest. Firstly remember that the WAMUG membership fee is less than a reasonable call-out charge for most Mac
Fonts in Font Book
Hi, I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing Helvetica Neue Font (True Type) My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light. OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document. This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type) Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black. Thanks, Rick -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Time Machine/Time Capsule problem
Ronda, I couldn't follow the instructions on the previous emails because the situation is very different. Now in the top bar, it says Disk not configured Then in the select disk , the time machine appears Data on mynameforTC When I select the item use back disk, it asks for password, and then just hangs on connecting. the password is correct, in Keychain. Finally just comes back to the password box. At the same time the item for the TC in Finder, just has connecting, then connection failed. If I try connection in Finder I get Message Check the server name or IP address, and try again. I tried using Airport 6.1 It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not the password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits there, when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting configuration. I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but it says it's looking for firmware, accepts the password, but keeps searching for latest firmware 7.6.1 which it also can't find. If I miss that step, it also gets stuck at getting configuration forever whether I use manual or next No sign of it in Disk Utilty. Rosemary. Macbook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2009 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , Mac OSX 10.7.4 On Wednesday, 27 June 2012, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Rosemary, You had a problem with Time Machine that I sorted for you back in Nov 2011 Read through all the emails at the link below. I have to go to a client now for a couple of hours, but should be able to assist if required later this morning. time capsule problem can't backup Rosemary Spark Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:56:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg66937.html Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 26/06/2012, at 11:37 PM, Rosemary Spark arkaysp...@gmail.com wrote: We have a Time Capsule for our Time Machine backups. When my husband went to his computer a few days ago there was a message that the time machine couldn't find the disk. This happened all of a sudden when it's been backing up fine for years. When I try to connect and say Use Backup Disc, it takes forever, and then says Connecting ...and doesn't. says there's an error with IP address or server. I tried using Airport Utility but the new one won't even let you see a menu, It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not the password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits there, when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting configuration. I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but it says it's looking for firmware, which it also can't find. If I miss that step, it also gets stuck at getting configuration forever. I went to look at my computer and found it hasn't backed up for months! My computer can't even see the base station in Airport Utility. I can enter the Time Capsule files, and it does appear in Shared in Finder. I've now tried on mine It has an additional An unexpected error occurred error code -6584, when I tied a Backup Now which just seems to mean there's no connection.. I've tried looking for solutions on discussions etc but there are lots of questions, but not many answers. We both have a Macbook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2009 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. Rosemary Spark PO Box 781 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia Phone: + 61 8 94336609 Mobile: 0414268043 arkaysp...@gmail.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- Rosemary Spark PO Box 781 South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia Phone: + 61 8 94336609 Mobile: 0414268043 arkaysp...@gmail.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Fonts in Font Book
Have you considered a font manager such as Suitcase. I run this manager (Suitcase 4) and it works flawlessly. I think it's only $130 or something like that. I tested running Helv Neue Light overriding the system font and it works fine. I don't think it can be done with font book. Otherwise, I have heard that you can write a script to deactivate the system font but I don't know how to do this. …Others might! Chris Griffiths Mac lover On 28/06/2012, at 12:26 PM, Rick Armstrong wrote: Hi, I wish to use my Helvetica Neue Font (Adobe) in place of the existing Helvetica Neue Font (True Type) My previous InDesign document text run changes slightly when I substitute Helvetica Neue Light (TT) instead of the previous Helvetica Neue 45 Light. OK in a short document to correct but not much fun in a multipage document. This is the Helvetica Neuve family is wish to use for all my documents but it conflicts with the existing Helvetica Neue (True Type) Helvetica Neue 25 Ultra Light onwards to Helvetica Neuve 95 Black. Thanks, Rick -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Time Machine/Time Capsule problem
Hi Rosemary, An unexpected error occurred error code -6584, when I tied a Backup Now which just seems to mean there's no connection.. (error code -6584) unfortunately won't tell you much that you do not already knowthe connection attempt failed. That was the unexpected error. You may have already done this...but your post did not indicate whether you had. So first thing to do (if you have not) is: A) Complete power cycle of the entire network 1. Power everything down in any order you want 2. Wait a minute 3. Start the modem first, and let it run a minute or two 4. Router (Time Capsule) next the same way 5. Continue starting devices one at a time about a minute apart Did you completely reset the connection path in Time Machine Preferences to point your Mac at the Time Capsule disk? If not: 1. Click the Time Machine clock icon at the top of the Mac's screen 2. Click Open Time Machine Preferences 3. Click Select Disk 4. Click your Time Capsule to highlight it 5. Click Use Backup Disk - Disk not configured Is that the complete message or is it: Red i message: Time Machine could not be configured. The built-in network interface could not be found? 1. From the Finder's Go menu go to this location: /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/ 2. Copy the file NetworkInterfaces.plist to the desktop (to make a precautionary backup). 3. Delete the file NetworkInterfaces.plist. Enter administrator name and password if prompted. 4. Restart your Mac. 5. Once restarted, reconfigure your Network and Time Machine preference panes in System Preferences. 6. Check that your Network is working ok and you are online. 7. See if you can select your TM backup disk and do a backup. Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD OS X 10.7.4 Lion Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance) On 28/06/2012, at 12:28 PM, Rosemary Spark wrote: Ronda, I couldn't follow the instructions on the previous emails because the situation is very different. Now in the top bar, it says Disk not configured Then in the select disk , the time machine appears Data on mynameforTC When I select the item use back disk, it asks for password, and then just hangs on connecting. the password is correct, in Keychain. Finally just comes back to the password box. At the same time the item for the TC in Finder, just has connecting, then connection failed. If I try connection in Finder I get Message Check the server name or IP address, and try again. I tried using Airport 6.1 It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not the password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits there, when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting configuration. I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but it says it's looking for firmware, accepts the password, but keeps searching for latest firmware 7.6.1 which it also can't find. If I miss that step, it also gets stuck at getting configuration forever whether I use manual or next No sign of it in Disk Utilty. Rosemary. Macbook Pro 13-inch, Mid 2009 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo , Mac OSX 10.7.4 On Wednesday, 27 June 2012, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Rosemary, You had a problem with Time Machine that I sorted for you back in Nov 2011 Read through all the emails at the link below. I have to go to a client now for a couple of hours, but should be able to assist if required later this morning. time capsule problem can't backup Rosemary Spark Tue, 08 Nov 2011 23:56:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/wamug@wamug.org.au/msg66937.html Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 26/06/2012, at 11:37 PM, Rosemary Spark arkaysp...@gmail.com wrote: We have a Time Capsule for our Time Machine backups. When my husband went to his computer a few days ago there was a message that the time machine couldn't find the disk. This happened all of a sudden when it's been backing up fine for years. When I try to connect and say Use Backup Disc, it takes forever, and then says Connecting ...and doesn't. says there's an error with IP address or server. I tried using Airport Utility but the new one won't even let you see a menu, It sees the Time Machine/Time Capsule, asks for a password and just sits there with a red 1 alongside, getting configuration forever. It's not the password, because when I put in an incorrect one on purpose, it sits there, when I put in the correct one it disappears and keeps getting configuration. I downloaded the earlier version of the software, 5.6 but it says it's looking for firmware, which it also can't find. If I miss that step, it also gets stuck at getting configuration forever. I went to look at my computer and found it hasn't backed up for months! My computer can't even see the base station in Airport
It's Hello not Adieu from Me
Hi Guys, I've had help from the list in the past and thinking I might need more in the future I had been thinking for a while that I should join up and do my bit to help cover the costs. So, yes, as of yesterday I am a newly paid up member even though I doubt I shall ever get to a meeting. I've read the comments for and against and appreciate that money is tight but although I have no knowledge of whether it will or will not happen a thought just struck me. The more paid up members covering the costs perhaps the lower the fees in the future or...going forward [as seems to be the 'in' phrase of politicians these days] it'll be a while before fees need to increase. I've added next year's fees into the family budget. Yvonne -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Adieu
After being a 'lister' for some years, I decided to pay up a few weeks ago. Over the years I have received help in many forms and have been most grateful. Just this week Ronni solved a problem with burning a DVD of an EyeTV recording...that in itself was worth my subs. Kev -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
