Re: Office and El Kapitan

[Ronda Brown]

Looks like there is problems Severin, and no time frame for when Microsoft will 
have a fix.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Is+Office+365+compatible+with+El+Capitan+OS+X+10.11%3F&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-au&client=safari

Cheers,
Ronni

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> On 8 Oct 2015, at 11:20 AM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Do the problems reported with Office 2016 also apply to Office 365?  
> Severin Crisp
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
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Office and El Kapitan

[Severin Crisp]

Do the problems reported with Office 2016 also apply to Office 365?  
Severin Crisp


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Re: Food for thought

[Bill Parker]

Ronni

That’s good to know.  I use PPT for training courses!   I’ll hang fire until 
its sorted.

Bill
> On 8 Oct 2015, at 10:15, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Re: PowerPoint crashing in El Capitan OS X 10.11
> 
> "Microsoft is aware of the problems with its software and has been responding 
> to customer complaints. In a thread on the Microsoft forums 
> ,
>  Microsoft Program Manager Faisal Jeelani said the company is working with 
> Apple to resolve the issues, but said there is no timeline for a fix. 
> Microsoft also gave Computerworld 
> 
>  a similar statement:
> "We know that some users may be experiencing issues with Office 2016 for Mac 
> running on El Capitan," the statement read. "We are actively investigating 
> the matter with Apple. Until there is a fix, we recommend people install the 
> latest updates to Office 2016 for Mac using Microsoft AutoUpdate."
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 8 Oct 2015, at 9:55 AM, Bill Parker  > wrote:
> 
>> Peter,
>> I come from a point of view of “being fit for usage”  and conclude that 
>> neither the Mac as is with El Kapitan and the Windows 10 on the dark are 
>> thoroughly fit for purpose.   If we saw vacuum cleaners in the same light, 
>> things would get fixed!   And I have reached the point where I am getting 
>> more and more reluctant to grab the next upgrade as soon as it hits the 
>> street.
>> 
>> There is no answer i know - but hey would it not be useful if somebody at 
>> Apple asked what the users actually wanted???   e.g. Windows 7 is not easy.  
>>  Microsoft Office has not been “improved” since version some years back, and 
>> for something that most only use the tip of the iceberg,  Word and 
>> Powerpoint could be made available in cut down basic forms. The power point 
>> crashing with El Kapitan is getting many people angry.
>> 
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Oct 2015, at 08:22, Peter Hinchliffe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s a little sobering to realise that Tiger (OS X 10.4) is now 10 years 
>>> old! Even the venerable Snow Leopard, which for many still has to be 
>>> dragged from their cold, dead hands, is 6 years old. Tempus fugit…
>>> 
>>> For a brief history of Mac OS X in all its versions, have a look at
>>> 
>>> >> >
>>> 
>>> Temmus is certainly fugitting!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>>> 
>>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: Food for thought

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Bill,

Re: PowerPoint crashing in El Capitan OS X 10.11

"Microsoft is aware of the problems with its software and has been responding 
to customer complaints. In a thread on the Microsoft forums, Microsoft Program 
Manager Faisal Jeelani said the company is working with Apple to resolve the 
issues, but said there is no timeline for a fix. Microsoft also gave 
Computerworld a similar statement:
"We know that some users may be experiencing issues with Office 2016 for Mac 
running on El Capitan," the statement read. "We are actively investigating the 
matter with Apple. Until there is a fix, we recommend people install the latest 
updates to Office 2016 for Mac using Microsoft AutoUpdate."
Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 8 Oct 2015, at 9:55 AM, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> I come from a point of view of “being fit for usage”  and conclude that 
> neither the Mac as is with El Kapitan and the Windows 10 on the dark are 
> thoroughly fit for purpose.   If we saw vacuum cleaners in the same light, 
> things would get fixed!   And I have reached the point where I am getting 
> more and more reluctant to grab the next upgrade as soon as it hits the 
> street.
> 
> There is no answer i know - but hey would it not be useful if somebody at 
> Apple asked what the users actually wanted???   e.g. Windows 7 is not easy.   
> Microsoft Office has not been “improved” since version some years back, and 
> for something that most only use the tip of the iceberg,  Word and Powerpoint 
> could be made available in cut down basic forms. The power point crashing 
> with El Kapitan is getting many people angry.
> 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Oct 2015, at 08:22, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s a little sobering to realise that Tiger (OS X 10.4) is now 10 years 
>> old! Even the venerable Snow Leopard, which for many still has to be dragged 
>> from their cold, dead hands, is 6 years old. Tempus fugit…
>> 
>> For a brief history of Mac OS X in all its versions, have a look at
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Temmus is certainly fugitting!
>> 
>> 
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 
>> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
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Re: Food for thought

[Bill Parker]

Peter,
I come from a point of view of “being fit for usage”  and conclude that neither 
the Mac as is with El Kapitan and the Windows 10 on the dark are thoroughly fit 
for purpose.   If we saw vacuum cleaners in the same light, things would get 
fixed!   And I have reached the point where I am getting more and more 
reluctant to grab the next upgrade as soon as it hits the street.

There is no answer i know - but hey would it not be useful if somebody at Apple 
asked what the users actually wanted???   e.g. Windows 7 is not easy.   
Microsoft Office has not been “improved” since version some years back, and for 
something that most only use the tip of the iceberg,  Word and Powerpoint could 
be made available in cut down basic forms. The power point crashing with El 
Kapitan is getting many people angry.


Bill




> On 8 Oct 2015, at 08:22, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:
> 
> It’s a little sobering to realise that Tiger (OS X 10.4) is now 10 years old! 
> Even the venerable Snow Leopard, which for many still has to be dragged from 
> their cold, dead hands, is 6 years old. Tempus fugit…
> 
> For a brief history of Mac OS X in all its versions, have a look at
> 
> 
> 
> Temmus is certainly fugitting!
> 
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
> Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
> 
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Food for thought

[Peter Hinchliffe]

It’s a little sobering to realise that Tiger (OS X 10.4) is now 10 years old! 
Even the venerable Snow Leopard, which for many still has to be dragged from 
their cold, dead hands, is 6 years old. Tempus fugit…

For a brief history of Mac OS X in all its versions, have a look at



Temmus is certainly fugitting!


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
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Re: El Capitan - New Security Improvements

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

Yes, you are correct in your reply to Michael. El Capitan has nothing to do 
with violating Anti-Trust laws!
As I mentioned previously "Apple especially in El Capitan is doing everything 
possible to keep your System (& you) Safe”. 

I have not experienced any problems whatsoever since upgrading my MacBook Pro 
to El Capitan OS X 10.11. 
As always though I took the time to carefully do all the preparation of my 
MacBook Pro and BACKUPS (Bootable & Time Machine), prior to downloading and 
installing.
Everything went very smoothly and after the installation progress completes the 
setup screen appeared - Sign in Apple ID - Setup iCloud - verify my Identity - 
verify code sent to iPhone. Then the ‘Setting Up your Mac’ screen completes and 
your Login Screen appears, type login password and you are running El Capitan.
Mail opened and downloaded messages from my five (5) email accounts. I then 
went about checking all my important applications and no problems.

If you are thinking of upgrading to El Capitan Stephen, please make sure that 
you do the Preparation and backups & a bootable backup prior to installing.
It is most important to Update ALL your Applications and any plugins and check 
they are El Capitan compatible BEFORE you install.

I haven’t had time to write instructions How to Prepare for El Capitan but this 
set of instructions is very similar to what I did.
I always disconnect any external drives, disconnect anything connected  to my 
Mac. Turn OFF Time Machine, Turn OFF Automatic backups.

6 Steps to Prepare a Mac for the OS X El Capitan Update - 
>

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Intel Quad-Core i7 
2.3GHz / 16GB / 1TB 840 EVO SSD

OS X El Capitan 10.11


> On 7 Oct 2015, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> Looks to me like this is to do with personal security rather than anti-trust 
> as with Microsoft.
> At least that’s the way I read it.
> 
> And thank you Ronni for the very detailed list of important info.
> I feel I may update to El Capitan later today if time permits.
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2015, at 6:05 pm, Michael Hawkins > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thinking back to the prosecution against MicroSoft in the late 1990s decade 
>> which indirectly lead to Microsoft injecting cash into Apple to keep Apple 
>> afloat as a competitor to MicroSoft (and thus offer an alternative to 
>> Windows), I wonder why this apparent requirement that users must use iCloud 
>> and two Apple devices as well as use only Apple software doesn’t violate USA 
>> anti-trust laws.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Michael.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2015, at 3:30 pm, Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello WAMUGers who are contemplating upgrading to OS X 10.11 El Capitan,
>>> 
>>> I thought I would post about the New Security Improvements for members who 
>>> might not be fully aware of the changes.
>>> Take note of the changes to Two-Factor Authentication in iOS 9 and OS X 
>>> 10.11 El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> El Capitan - New Security Improvements
>>> 
>>> There are new security improvements in El Capitan that should protect Mac 
>>> users from malware, but unfortunately it may also mean that some of the 
>>> software utilities you use no longer work.
>>> 
>>> System Integrity Protection: Also called “rootless,” this feature makes an 
>>> El Capitan Mac more resistant to attacks and malware, but it also limits 
>>> what power users can do to their systems—unless they disable it.
>>> 
>>> What Rootless means in OS X El Capitan?
>>> 
>>> In OS X 10.11 El Capitan, System Integrity Protection, also known as 
>>> rootless, will prevent the modification or removal of certain system files 
>>> even by administrative overrides. This means that no user, application, or 
>>> process will be able to write files or modify files in the root System 
>>> folder or the /bin, /sbin, and /usr directories, which are hidden by 
>>> default in OS X’s Finder. The /usr/local folder will still be accessible 
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> By locking down the core system Apple will scupper the attempts of any 
>>> malware to gain access to files, folders, running processes (software that 
>>> manages tasks in the background) and system apps, such as the Finder and 
>>> Dock. 
>>> This might lead to some changes in third party apps you use regularly, for 
>>> instance, prior to El Capitan Dropbox showed sync status in the Finder, 
>>> luckily this won’t be gone completely, Apple has added generic code to 
>>> support it.
>>> 
>>> How will Rootless effect app developers?
>>> 
>>> Kernel extensions will still be allowed, but developers will need a valid 
>>> certificate from Apple to get them cryptographically signed.
>>> 
>>> However developers of programs like SuperDuper! were busy trying to adapt 
>>> to the new way of working. SuperDuper needs to read everything on a