Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Graham,

The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there after 
turning on syncing. 
They have just been made invisible.

A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to iCloud 
Drive?
B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If so 
Turn it OFF.
C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents and 
Desktop files back on your Mac?

NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive ON 
and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 

If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and Desktop 
and data backed up.
In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if you 
lose it.
——
When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves the 
folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link and 
creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. - The 
new folders are empty.

So what I would suggest you try:
1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
your User home folder. 

 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
clear.

Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders on 
your Mac.

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi ronni,
> 
> Looking at this link 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
>  makes me 
> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
> Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
> 
> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud 
> at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message 
>> is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder 
>> will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>> 
>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>> 
>> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is 
>> in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
>> 
>> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
>> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to 
>> above.
>> 
>> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>>> 
>>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>>> 
>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>>> cons— 
>>> —
>>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>>> >> >
>>> 
>>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>>> set up.
>>> 
>>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later 
>>> on your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>>>  Web site.
>>> 
>>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>>> 
>>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>>> ==
>>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>>> version of OS X.
>>> I updated all 

Re: Intruder in 'Find My Friends'

[clamshell]

Oh, Ronni, thank you so much. This obviously came in the iOS 10 update and I 
didn’t notice it. It’s bizarre, frankly, as the system was just fine in 
previous versions.

Very grateful!
Pat


> On 30 Sep 2016, at 13:05, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat,
> 
> Me (hiding my location from you) will be YOU!
> check in Settings > iCloud - scroll to under Advanced > Share My Location
> I would suspect you don’t have “Share My Location” From This Device activated
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 12:09 pm, clamsh...@iinet.net.au 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> There is only one ‘Friend’ entered into my ‘Find My Friends’ app on my 
>> iPhone 5 — my husband. He is there because  he does a lot of solitary 
>> bushwalking, and I want to be able to locate him if he is very late 
>> returning or needs help.
>> 
>> I turned it on last night because he was very late: I found him at a 
>> friend’s house, so that was OK. BUT there was another, unknown marker in the 
>> frame. When I put my finger on it, the label said ‘Me (hiding my location 
>> from you)’
>> 
>> This is very disturbing — what else might the intruder be doing in my phone, 
>> and how do I get rid of it? I had a look on the internet, and found that 
>> quite a few iOS apps have been hacked, but I do not have any on the list. I 
>> looked at Apple support, but if they have any info about this kind of thing, 
>> it wasn’t obvious.
>> 
>> There are a number of apps for iOS security, but most of them are concerned 
>> with other aspects of security — like preventing nosy people from physically 
>> snooping on the phone, or as a part of alarm systems for the home, etc.
>> 
>> I suppose one of the things  I should do is change the unlocking code for 
>> the phone. If I delete the app and then reinstall it, will it be a totally 
>> new installation, or will it still read from the old settings?
>> 
>> Will really appreciate help with this!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Pat
>> 
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> Ronni
> 
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> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
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Re: Intruder in 'Find My Friends'

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Pat,

Me (hiding my location from you) will be YOU!
check in Settings > iCloud - scroll to under Advanced > Share My Location
I would suspect you don’t have “Share My Location” From This Device activated

Cheers,
Ronni

> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 12:09 pm, clamsh...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> 
> There is only one ‘Friend’ entered into my ‘Find My Friends’ app on my iPhone 
> 5 — my husband. He is there because  he does a lot of solitary bushwalking, 
> and I want to be able to locate him if he is very late returning or needs 
> help.
> 
> I turned it on last night because he was very late: I found him at a friend’s 
> house, so that was OK. BUT there was another, unknown marker in the frame. 
> When I put my finger on it, the label said ‘Me (hiding my location from you)’
> 
> This is very disturbing — what else might the intruder be doing in my phone, 
> and how do I get rid of it? I had a look on the internet, and found that 
> quite a few iOS apps have been hacked, but I do not have any on the list. I 
> looked at Apple support, but if they have any info about this kind of thing, 
> it wasn’t obvious.
> 
> There are a number of apps for iOS security, but most of them are concerned 
> with other aspects of security — like preventing nosy people from physically 
> snooping on the phone, or as a part of alarm systems for the home, etc.
> 
> I suppose one of the things  I should do is change the unlocking code for the 
> phone. If I delete the app and then reinstall it, will it be a totally new 
> installation, or will it still read from the old settings?
> 
> Will really appreciate help with this!
> 
> Cheers,
> Pat
> 
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> 

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12

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Intruder in 'Find My Friends'

[clamshell]

There is only one ‘Friend’ entered into my ‘Find My Friends’ app on my iPhone 5 
— my husband. He is there because  he does a lot of solitary bushwalking, and I 
want to be able to locate him if he is very late returning or needs help.

I turned it on last night because he was very late: I found him at a friend’s 
house, so that was OK. BUT there was another, unknown marker in the frame. When 
I put my finger on it, the label said ‘Me (hiding my location from you)’

This is very disturbing — what else might the intruder be doing in my phone, 
and how do I get rid of it? I had a look on the internet, and found that quite 
a few iOS apps have been hacked, but I do not have any on the list. I looked at 
Apple support, but if they have any info about this kind of thing, it wasn’t 
obvious.

There are a number of apps for iOS security, but most of them are concerned 
with other aspects of security — like preventing nosy people from physically 
snooping on the phone, or as a part of alarm systems for the home, etc.

I suppose one of the things  I should do is change the unlocking code for the 
phone. If I delete the app and then reinstall it, will it be a totally new 
installation, or will it still read from the old settings?

 Will really appreciate help with this!

Cheers,
Pat

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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Hi ronni,

Looking at this link 
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 
 makes me think 
that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop and 
Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.

By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under iCloud at 
any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.

Cheers,

Graham 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni.
> 
> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message 
> is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder 
> will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
> 
> That is exactly what I do not want. 
> 
> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is in 
> Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
> 
> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is under 
> System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to above.
> 
> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>> 
>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>> 
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>> cons— 
>> —
>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>> > >
>> 
>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>> set up.
>> 
>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
>> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>>  Web site.
>> 
>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>> 
>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>> ==
>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>> version of OS X.
>> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
>> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
>> Subject: Sierra
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade:
>> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
>> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
>> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
>> interfere with the upgrade. 
>> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
>> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
>> 
>> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
>> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
>> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, 
>> say you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush 
>> out the door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish 
>> composing the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article 
>> in Safari on your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
>> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
>> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
>> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>>> longer a “Documents” 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

Thanks for that Ronni.

If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the message is 
“If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your Documents folder will 
be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 

That is exactly what I do not want. 

I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder is in 
Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 

I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is under 
System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred to above.

I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.

Thanks,

Graham 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham & Michael,
> 
> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
> cons— 
> —
> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>  >
> 
> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set 
> up.
> 
> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
>  Web site.
> 
> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
> them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has 
> a fast enough Internet connection. 
> 
> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
> ==
> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
> version of OS X.
> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
> Subject: Sierra
> 
> Prepare to upgrade:
> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
> interfere with the upgrade. 
> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
> 
> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
> you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
> door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
> the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
> your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Michael,

I thought I had already explained in my previous reply?

To add to my previous explanation of 'Handoff'.
"Handoff let's you start something on one device and instantly pick it up on 
other devices using your iCloud account. The app you need appears in the lock 
screen, app switcher, and the Dock on a Mac"

Handoff has been around before macOS Sierra & iOS 10, but it seems to work 
better in the current updates.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 9:27 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ronni,
> 
> What's the difference in result between hand-off and emailing to yourself, 
> what ever you're working on?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Michael
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Graham & Michael,
>> 
>> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
>> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>> 
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
>> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
>> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
>> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
>> cons— 
>> —
>> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>> 
>> 
>> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
>> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
>> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve 
>> set up.
>> 
>> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
>> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com Web 
>> site.
>> 
>> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to 
>> access them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the 
>> device has a fast enough Internet connection. 
>> 
>> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
>> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
>> ==
>> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
>> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
>> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
>> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
>> version of OS X.
>> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
>> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
>> Subject: Sierra
>> 
>> Prepare to upgrade:
>> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
>> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
>> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
>> interfere with the upgrade. 
>> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
>> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
>> 
>> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
>> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
>> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, 
>> say you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush 
>> out the door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish 
>> composing the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article 
>> in Safari on your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
>> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
>> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
>> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>>> scenario (under Options). 
>>> 
>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>>> is needed.”
>>> 
>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>>> documents in 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Thanks Ronni,

What's the difference in result between hand-off and emailing to yourself, what 
ever you're working on?

Cheers,

Michael
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham & Michael,
> 
> You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> " iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
> I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
> Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop 
> and Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
> You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
> cons— 
> —
> Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
> 
> 
> Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, 
> images, you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is 
> immediately synced and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set 
> up.
> 
> That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
> your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com Web site.
> 
> Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
> them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has 
> a fast enough Internet connection. 
> 
> Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and 
> iCloud Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
> ==
> Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
> I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro 
> and MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
> But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
> version of OS X.
> I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups 
> / Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - 
> Subject: Sierra
> 
> Prepare to upgrade:
> 1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
> 2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
> 3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
> interfere with the upgrade. 
> 4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
> etc etc etc as per my previous post.
> 
> I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
> extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
> "Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
> you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
> door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
> the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
> your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
> Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
> Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
> some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>> 
>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
>> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
>> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
>> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
>> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that 
>> matter). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham Rabe 
>> 
>> iMac late 

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Graham & Michael,

You DON’T have to use "iCloud Drive" unless you want to! 
The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check that 
iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
" iCloud Drive” is turned OFF on all my iDevices and computers.
I use iCloud but NOT “iCloud Drive”!

Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop and 
Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
New! Documents and Desktop Folder Syncing
Sierra adds a new iCloud Drive feature where you can integrate your Desktop and 
Documents folders with iCloud Drive. 
You may want to keep it OFF until you’ve had time to consider it’s pros and 
cons— 
—
Have a read of the 'iCloud Drive FAQ'
>

Use iCloud Drive to store documents, presentations, spreadsheets, PDFs, images, 
you name it, on Apple’s servers. Everything you save here is immediately synced 
and available on other compatible Apple devices you’ve set up.

That means you can work on a document on your iPad and then open it later on 
your Mac. In many cases, you can also work with it on the iCloud.com 
 Web site.

Apple’s iCloud Drive stores your files in the cloud, making it easy to access 
them on any of your Apple devices (or a Windows PC)—so long as the device has a 
fast enough Internet connection. 

Drag files to and from the iCloud Drive folder in your Mac’s Finder, and iCloud 
Drive syncs them across your devices so they’re always up to date.
==
Re: Sierra ——— macOS Sierra 10.12:
I have been running macOS Sierra 10.12 successfully on both my MacBook Pro and 
MacBook Air, without any problems at all.
But - I did follow my normal safety ‘Prepare' before upgrading any major 
version of OS X.
I updated all applications that had Sierra updates, did CCC bootable backups / 
Time Machine as in my Post  to WAMUG members 23 Sept. 2016 at 8:15am - Subject: 
Sierra

Prepare to upgrade:
1. Make sure your computer can run Sierra.
2. BACKUP! - BACKUP!
3. Make sure key software is up to date, and remove clutter that could 
interfere with the upgrade. 
4. Decide which upgrade strategy is best for you
etc etc etc as per my previous post.

I really like Sierra it is a very good upgrade. One of features I find 
extremely useful is ‘Handoff’
"Use Handoff to move seamlessly between your Apple devices. For instance, say 
you start to write an email message on your Mac and then have to rush out the 
door for work. While you wait at the train station, you can finish composing 
the message on your iPhone. Or, say you start reading an article in Safari on 
your iPad and then want to finish on your iMac at the office. 
Handoff lets you pick up where you left off when using Calendar, Contacts, 
Keynote, Mail, Maps, Messages, Notes, Numbers, Pages, Reminders, Safari, and 
some third-party apps in Sierra and iOS 10”

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
> is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12



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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

Hello Graham,

I haven’t installed Sierra. 

I do not want to be forced to store or save things on anything other than my 
computer, I do not want my speed of access to documents to be governed by the 
number of people in my suburb who are on the internet, and I have no wish to be 
working with my head in the cloud…

Cheers,

Michael


> On 29 Sep 2016, at 4:02 PM, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I’m on a limitless plan with iinet. 
> 
> Have you upgraded to Sierra? If so - any problems?
> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 3:46 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
>> large monthly limit!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I use my credit card :)
 On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
 > wrote:
 
 And how do you fund your broadband connection?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe > wrote:
 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now 
> only available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There 
> is no longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it 
> states that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac 
> if you have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud 
> when space is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only 
> on iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
> happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
> method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under 
> the “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by 
> way of backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup 
> backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Graham Rabe]

I’m on a limitless plan with iinet. 

Have you upgraded to Sierra? If so - any problems?

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 3:46 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
> large monthly limit!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe  > wrote:
> 
>> I use my credit card :)
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
 folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now 
 only available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There 
 is no longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
 
 I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
 scenario (under Options). 
 
 What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it 
 states that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac 
 if you have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud 
 when space is needed.”
 
 I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
 
 In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
 documents in the iCloud section. 
 
 My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
 drive? Where are they “stored”?
 
 Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only 
 on iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
 happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
 method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the 
 “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way 
 of backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups 
 for that matter). 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Graham Rabe 
 
 iMac late 2012
 macOS Sierra 10.12
 
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Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

[Michael Hawkins]

If you're constantly shuttling between keyboard and iCloud, you must have a 
large monthly limit!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:50 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I use my credit card :)
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” 
>>> folder previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>>> scenario (under Options). 
>>> 
>>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>>> is needed.”
>>> 
>>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>>> 
>>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>>> 
>>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>>> 
>>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell 
>>> happens when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud 
>>> method of saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the 
>>> “Documents” folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of 
>>> backing up (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for 
>>> that matter). 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Graham Rabe 
>>> 
>>> iMac late 2012
>>> macOS Sierra 10.12
>>> 
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[Graham Rabe]

I use my credit card :)
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 2:09 pm, Michael Hawkins 
>  wrote:
> 
> And how do you fund your broadband connection?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  > wrote:
> 
>> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
>> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
>> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
>> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
>> scenario (under Options). 
>> 
>> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
>> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
>> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
>> is needed.”
>> 
>> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
>> 
>> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
>> documents in the iCloud section. 
>> 
>> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
>> drive? Where are they “stored”?
>> 
>> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
>> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
>> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
>> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
>> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
>> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that 
>> matter). 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham Rabe 
>> 
>> iMac late 2012
>> macOS Sierra 10.12
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[Michael Hawkins]

And how do you fund your broadband connection?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 1:18 pm, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> I’ve upgraded to Sierra and all of my data in my previous “Documents” folder 
> previously on my hard drive (in Finder under Documents”) is now only 
> available in iCloud (where there is now a “Documents” folder). There is no 
> longer a “Documents” folder listed anywhere on my hard drive. 
> 
> I’ve gone to System Preferences - iCloud and see that I can change that 
> scenario (under Options). 
> 
> What I can’t figure out is that at the bottom of that Options box it states 
> that “The full contents of iCloud Drive will be stored on this Mac if you 
> have enough space. Older documents will be stored only in iCloud when space 
> is needed.”
> 
> I have more than enough space on my hard drive. 
> 
> In the Finder menu, when I select  “Go” for “Documents” - it shows the 
> documents in the iCloud section. 
> 
> My question is: where in Finder do I find all of my documents on my hard 
> drive? Where are they “stored”?
> 
> Any views/recommendations about allowing all documents to be stored only on 
> iCloud under this new regime would be appreciated. What and the hell happens 
> when iCloud bombs out/is hacked etc etc? And if I use this iCloud method of 
> saving all my data previously stored on the hard drive under the “Documents” 
> folder, what work is my local Time Machine able to do by way of backing up 
> (and/or other external drives that I use for backup backups for that matter). 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Rabe 
> 
> iMac late 2012
> macOS Sierra 10.12
> 
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