Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

2016-10-01 Thread Michael Hawkins 
For those who don't know Graham and me, he was a Mac sceptic for a couple of 
decades before I could persuade him to try one out, and if I can draw a 
parallel with born again Christians, he is far more evangelical than they are.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 11:25 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
> nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
> in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham  
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham
>> 
>> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
>> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
>> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
>> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
>> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
>> 
>> That should get them back to you.
>> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>>> 
>>> Weird.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham   
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi Graham,
 
 The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
 after turning on syncing. 
 They have just been made invisible.
 
 A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
 iCloud Drive?
 B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
 so Turn it OFF.
 C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your 
 Documents and Desktop files back on your Mac?
 
 NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
 Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud 
 Drive ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
 
 If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
 Desktop and data backed up.
 In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
 you lose it.
 ——
 When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply 
 moves the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
 When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
 and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud 
 Drive. - The new folders are empty.
 
 So what I would suggest you try:
 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
 Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders 
 in your User home folder. 
 
 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
 clear.
 
 Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
 on your Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi ronni,
> 
> Looking at this link 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
> 
> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under 
> iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>> 
>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>>

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

2016-10-01 Thread Michael Hawkins 
Hello Graham,

I'm ever so grateful that WAMUG includes early adapters such as you. Rather 
ironic isn't it, given that you didn't discover Macs until your were at such an 
advanced age.

Cheers,

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Oct. 2016, at 11:25 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
> nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
> in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham  
>> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Graham
>> 
>> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
>> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
>> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
>> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
>> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
>> 
>> That should get them back to you.
>> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Daniel
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6
>> 
>> ---
>> Daniel Kerr
>> MacWizardry
>> 
>> Phone: 0414 795 960
>> Email: 
>> Web:   
>> 
>> 
>> **For everything Apple**
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>>> 
>>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>>> new folders there. Can you help?
>>> 
>>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>>> 
>>> Weird.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Graham   
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi Graham,
 
 The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
 after turning on syncing. 
 They have just been made invisible.
 
 A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
 iCloud Drive?
 B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
 so Turn it OFF.
 C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your 
 Documents and Desktop files back on your Mac?
 
 NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
 Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud 
 Drive ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
 
 If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
 Desktop and data backed up.
 In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
 you lose it.
 ——
 When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply 
 moves the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
 When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
 and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud 
 Drive. - The new folders are empty.
 
 So what I would suggest you try:
 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
 Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders 
 in your User home folder. 
 
 This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
 clear.
 
 Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
 on your Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Hi ronni,
> 
> Looking at this link 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
> think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
> and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
> 
> By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under 
> iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that Ronni.
>> 
>> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
>> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
>> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
>> 
>> That is exactly what I do not want. 
>> 
>> I just want to be where

Re: macOS Sierra - iCloud - "Documents" folder on hard drive

2016-10-01 Thread Graham Rabe 
Hi Daniel,

Thanks for that.

Neither method you’ve referred to works. Documents and Desktop folders are 
nowhere to be seen under first method and the only reference to those folders 
in the Sidebar using the second method is under the iCloud section. 

Cheers,

Graham  
> On 1 Oct. 2016, at 8:28 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham
> 
> You can put the folders in the Sidebar one of two ways.
> First is you can just drag the folder into the Sidebar (from Macintosh HD - 
> Users - Yourname, and folders will be there). Then just drag them in.
> The second way is in in the Finder, go to File menu then Preferences. Then 
> choose “Sidebar” and you can tick (or untick) the things you want there).
> 
> That should get them back to you.
> Will try answer the second later, as just dashing out.
> 
> Kind regards
> Daniel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6
> 
> ---
> Daniel Kerr
> MacWizardry
> 
> Phone: 0414 795 960
> Email: 
> Web:   
> 
> 
> **For everything Apple**
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2016, at 6:49 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> Thanks for getting back to me. 
>> 
>> I no longer have folders under Favorites in Finder called “Desktop" and 
>> “Documents” and have been unable to find anything on web about how to put 2 
>> new folders there. Can you help?
>> 
>> Another thing - when I open a Word file I’m working on in iCloud Drive, it 
>> opens up fine but when I right click on the file name at the top of the 
>> screen, it shows its location still as if no change to iCloud has occurred 
>> i.e. under my  previous User “Documents” folder in Favorites. There is no 
>> reference to iCloud Drive (where I have to go to open it in Finder).
>> 
>> Weird.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Graham   
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 1:57 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Graham,
>>> 
>>> The documents that were originally on your startup drive are still there 
>>> after turning on syncing. 
>>> They have just been made invisible.
>>> 
>>> A) Are you sure all your documents & desktop files have been uploaded to 
>>> iCloud Drive?
>>> B) Did you turn on “Optimize Mac Storage” under iCloud Drive settings? If 
>>> so Turn it OFF.
>>> C) And you are NOT wanting to use iCloud Drive, and you want your Documents 
>>> and Desktop files back on your Mac?
>>> 
>>> NOTE: I’m assuming you have a bootable backup containing your Documents & 
>>> Desktop folders ‘Prior’ to installing macOS Sierra and turning iCloud Drive 
>>> ON and enabling iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’. 
>>> 
>>> If all above is the case and you definitely have all your Documents and 
>>> Desktop and data backed up.
>>> In case you need to manually copy the data back over from your backup if 
>>> you lose it.
>>> ——
>>> When iCloud sync for ‘Documents and Desktop’ is enabled, macOS simply moves 
>>> the folders to the iCloud Drive folder.
>>> When you uncheck the Documents and Desktop settings, it breaks that link 
>>> and creates new folders, but leaves your folders and files on iCloud Drive. 
>>> - The new folders are empty.
>>> 
>>> So what I would suggest you try:
>>> 1. Go to your iCloud Drive and move the files back from the Documents and 
>>> Desktop folders in the iCloud drive to the Documents and Desktop folders in 
>>> your User home folder. 
>>> 
>>> This is expressed in the dialog that shows up, but the wording is not very 
>>> clear.
>>> 
>>> Check all your documents and desktop files are in your Finder Home Folders 
>>> on your Mac.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
 On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:57 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
 
 Hi ronni,
 
 Looking at this link 
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7680027?start=0=0 makes me 
 think that my problem is not so easily resolved by unticking the Desktop 
 and Documents folder in iCloud under System Preferences.
 
 By the way - I never even ticked the Desktop and Documents box under 
 iCloud at any time - that was how things were after installing Sierra.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Graham 
> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 8:39 am, Graham Rabe  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Ronni.
> 
> If I go to iCloud in System Preferences and untick iCloud Drive, the 
> message is “If you continue, documents on your Desktop and in your 
> Documents folder will be visible in iCloud Drive only”. 
> 
> That is exactly what I do not want. 
> 
> I just want to be where I was before Sierra - where my Documents folder 
> is in Finder under Favorites and not under iCloud section. 
> 
> I’ve assumed that the only place you can turn iCloud Drive on or off is 
> under System Preferences - iCloud.  And then I get the message referred 
> to above.
> 
> I’d appreciate any further assistance you could give me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham 
>> On 29 Sep. 2016, at 8:00 pm,